F1 2014, a stuttering start?

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  1. Sander001

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    Well I'm not convinced either way, just trying to look for more possibilities than the conspiracy angle.
     
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    Well IMO there are only two possibilities, because hiding the crash because of its violent nature makes little sense when they barely ever did it for other crashes.
    Either they truly believe they can claim copyright on the video. In which case they have a lot more work to do on YouTube, but why not it's plausible. I've seen more abusive copyright claims than that. Like muting GTA gameplay videos because the in-game radio has copyrighted material, or because the uploader likes to listen to Spotify when s/he plays. Yes, it's as weird as it sounds, but it's happening.
    Either something in the video disturbs them and they don't want people to see it.
    I may add a third possibility: some organisations like YouTube are also very proactive to block videos because they don't want any trouble and may block video the concerned companies are not caring about or even encouraging (free publicity).

    In any way, I still do believe the crew at Suzuka did a mistake by showing the green flag too early and not deploying the SC.

    Anyway, seems the FIA is conducting an investigation.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29521187

    The parents of Bianchi said that their son is suffering from a diffuse axonal injury. In short, one of the most severe cases of brain trauma.
     
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    But in those other crashes I don't believe they had an opportunity to hide it because they were live, the cat was never in the bag. They did give it a try in this case because it was amateur footage, only uploaded afterwards.

    Thanks for the update on Bianchi. Hope he recovers fully, been reading about him, seems like a fine lad.
     
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    But they had the possibility to give orders not to replay it since they have full broadcasting rights (exception made of Monaco). They decide what is displayed on screen, they decide who's radio you gonna hear, so on so forth. The TV just get the finished product over which they add their commentary team and that's it. And they did replay crashes, slow-motion and from multiple angles. If they wanted to hide it, a simple order prior races not to show replays of crashes and poof: at best you see it once and that's it. WWE style. So for me it's not a valid reason; especially since it's not something they taped themselves.
    There's no cat in the bag. Because following the same reasoning, you'd bet the video would've been copied and uploaded somewhere else. It's the internet, something that is deleted from it never disappears that easily. They could've said "Oh now that it's live, it's done we can't hide it anymore, it's the internet we're talking about". Still gave it a try, and it didn't work very well to say the least and now it's everywhere.

    Which is why I believe it's either a copyright claim since they have full broadcasting rights (from them or/and the streaming platform), or the conspiracy theory. It doesn't make sense to say "it's because it's a violent crash". That they would display it themselves, why not. That could make sense they wouldn't want on their own broadcast. But trying to shutting it down from a source they have very little rights onto? Especially since it shows what are IMO blatant errors? Sorry I can't believe it. EDIT: Especially since they're the first ones to replay crashes when they happen.

    EDIT: I'd rather believe they were not trying to hide it. But since I think too many pieces do not fit or even raise other questions, I personally cannot completely ignore this possibility.
     
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    I never did see the accident during the race, guess I missed it. Never saw replays of it either during the broadcast.
     
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    They did not show the crash during the broadcast--it was awhile before the commentators were even aware it had happened. I did see a vid of the crash later and wish I hadn't--horrible.

    There certainly were mistakes with the deployment of the safety car (1 being it initially picked up the wrong cars) and I'm sure there will be some changes in protocol re: that. I also imagine the type of safety equipment used on track will be addressed, especially on a corner.

    I also wonder if we're close to seeing closed cockpits in F1 cars. I know they've been tested and the idea has been bandied about in the past. The cars are so ugly now a Le Mans car without fenders probably wouldn't be much worse.
     
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    They never showed it themselves on TV. Sorry for not being clear.
     
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    Any news about the condition of Bianchi or maybe Schumacher?
     
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    A spectator video of the crash did surface, but I can't remember where.
     
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    Bianchi is in hospital. Much more isn't known so far except that he's in a critical but somewhat stable condition.
    Schumacher is home doing re-education; his entourage lets as few infos as possible slip, most likely to protect him.
     
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    True.... but telemetry did show Bianchi did NOT slow down in the Yellow area. So some blame does rest with him.

    Let's hope for 3 good, dry, safe races to end the year. Hard to believe how fast it went...
     
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    So Rosberg is on poll for the USA GP, Hamilton 2nd, starting shortly.
     
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    His team, Marussia said the contrary. And those allegations made them angry. http://www.marussiaf1team.com/news/1043/reports-regarding-jules-accident


    Well USA GP ends, and the scenario repeats itself once more. Can Rosberg hold his position for the rest of the race? Maybe he just doesn't want to crash the car, but it's been many times already.
     
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    Just upset that the actions of a person in serious medical condition is being questioned. Understandable - but the data is what it is.

    Pretty boring race today. Could the cars have gotten any more spread out? A little good racing toward the end when tire wear became an issue. Vergne is
    really pushing to get a seat. Some great driving (bordering on scary in some instances).

    But never fear, Bernie's going to save the sport. LOL! What a hypocrite. He's responsible for most of the money going into the pockets of so few (his first, of course). Now he's 'outraged' that the smaller teams are either disappearing or threatening to pull out.
     
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    Well unless I see an official paper saying Jules did not slow down, I'd rather listen to Marussia and the Race Director in charge, Charlie Whiting, than media news; even through Marussia's communicate. Especially since the medical team did not give away that much info. I believe Marussia's rant is quite deserved considering that it's not possible for any outsider to know that and that they shouldn't have to prove that baseless rumours are... baseless, even if in some way a reply was needed. Just like the team around Schumacher had to make clear he wasn't taking unnecessary risks either and regardless of that ended up in a coma; just because one or a few websites/newspapers implied he could have. OTOH, until they properly give out the info, the rumour will become fact and it only will get worse from there. Especially considering this came out of one German news website and inflated from there.

    Well smaller teams now have a leverage. And possible investors interested in F1 can now be cooled down by the revenue repartition in F1. It's interesting to see what will happen in the future, and I hope it's going to trigger something good for the sport. Although I also believe not many investors would like to take Bernie's position either...
     
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    Well, enough of editing the same post over and over again, time for a new post even if it's a few lines. The German article (that I will link below) basically says Bianchi improved times during the 41st lap in sector 2 and 3 compared to his 40th lap. Which doesn't mean he didn't respect the flags during the 42nd turn. So yeah, not much base upon which to rely.
    http://sportbild.bild.de/formel-1/2...chi-zum-schnellfahren-auf-38133680.sport.html

    EDIT: Decidedly I can't get enough of that function. Here's Whithing's interview. Seems that as long as investigation undergoes it seems it would be a breach of protocol to disclose accurate data. That said when you start aquaplaning, any speed you have (even down to a crawl) is for keeps until your vehicle stops. Breaking before a puddle can send you flying too. Maybe those are some of the two reasons why Whithing is staying blurry on the matter.
    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116271
     
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    Sadly I think this is what has happened.

    Not over yet. TEAM ROSBERG
     
  18. Lukhas

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    And then Marussia "properly" bankrupts. Their goods will be sold, the personnel fired. A few days after their "new" name (Manor GP), along Caterham's, was written on the list of potential registered teams for the 2015 season. Not like their entry wasn't subject to confirmation anyway.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/caterham-named-marussia-f1-list-2015-26706602
    http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/marussia-formula-one-teams-goes-out-business

    In other news, Caterham asks for donations, hoping to gather about £2.350.000 (not joking) to race at Abu Dhabi. I chuckled given how costly F1 is and wondering if the money of "commoners" would be enough. However they already received more than £500.000 so far through more than one thousand backers.
    https://www.crowdcube.com/caterham/
     
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    Rosberg handled pressure better this time honestly. A word about Massa, who seems to find the right places to finish on the podium: Italy with the fans of his previous team, and now in his home country.
     
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    So Hamilton gets rammed into a wall in the last race, Rosberg wins it and the World Championship and Ecclestone is declared the most intelligent entrepreneur ever to run F1.

    And another three teams go to the wall so his daughters can buy another mansion.
     
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    I believe he can't do that. He need a certain number of cars per race to honour his contracts. Else, goodbye money.
     
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    Hamilton had the speed but he was so lucky to escape that half spin. In the old days, he may have retired because there were no paved run off areas.
     
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    That's probably why someone is pushing the idea of three car teams. There's at least six well-heeled teams in F1.


     
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    3 cars will lead to a lot of dirty stuff, I imagine. 1 real contender and 2 drivers to block the competition. Would be ridiculous.
     
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    The funny thing being that according to the rules, the third car would be under another team's colours. In short, imagine Mercedes lending a car to Caterham.
     
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    Nico, please don't hand it over to Lewis!:wink:
     
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    So, the latest Schumacher and Bianchi news. According to Philippe Streiff, he cannot talk and is in a wheelchair. He also mentions some memory issues.
    Bianchi is out of artificial coma albeit still unconscious and can breathe on his own. Vital signs are stable. He's back to France as of today.
    So news that are better than usual I guess, but not that good either.

    Anyway, here are the conditions for Hamilton to be champion:
    -He finishes before Rosberg;
    -If Rosberg wins and he finishes second;
    -He's in Top 5 and Rosberg 2nd;
    -He's in Top 6 and Rosberg 3rd;
    -He's in Top 8 and Rosberg 4th;
    -He's in Top 9 and Rosberg 5th;
    -Rosberg doesn't finish in Top 5.

    So given how superior Mercedes cars are, he can indeed just drive to the finish 2nd place without taking too many risks... unlike what he did in 2007.

    Also, several young/new pilots will be seen at least in practice session this week-end. Especially Caterham, that will race in Interlagos after gathering over 2 millions of pounds and will have a team composed of Kobayashi and Will Stevens, Brit and 23 y.o.
     
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    lets just hope this double points farce doesnt give us a false champion.
     
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    Hamilton will win and all this will be much ado about nothing. Should Hamilton lose, it would also be perfectly fine. The manner in which he captured his first world title should never be forgotten. In the 2008 Brazilian GP He (crucially) overtook a very tame Timo Glock who, coincidentally, was driving a car that would from next season be supplied its engine by Hamilton's employers. Some called that a false champion then.
     
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    Dear oh dear..... conspiracy!!

    Glock was on slicks on that wet part pf the track, Hamilton was on wet tyres. It's amazing how this fact goes unmentioned in these silly theories...
     
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    yep, replacing alonso
     
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    Now this get very interesting. Yes the Mercedes are in front. Yes Rosberg gets the pole. But we've seen so far this WE that the Williams are "unexpectedly" fast. Bottas is only 0.004 seconds behind Hamilton after loosing time in the third sector; and Hamilton hasn't been that good in this specific sector this WE (he corrected that in Q2 and 3 but still). Nevermind that Massa messed up but was very quick throughout the qualifying regardless of that. considering the Williams are slightly quicker in straight lines than the Mercedes, the first few laps even without DRS are going to be extremely important for Hamilton. Especially considering there are two quite long (and especially one in fact) straights on this track.
     
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    Wow, I wonder where Alonso goes.
     
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    Amazing how you make no mention of the fact that Glock was very accomodating. Silly.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsLX2Uen2dc

    glock started the final lap 15 seconds in front, slowed right down to almost walking pace so hamilton could win the title, i was so angry when it happened, watching this makes me angry again. very dodgy.
     
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    Unless there's a incredible turn of events, he goes to McLaren.
     
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    Do you also wear a tinfoil hat by any chance?
     
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    Shhhh... Hamilton stans know better.
     
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    With Rosberg's car stuttering along, the season ends with a wimper and a Hamilton victory.
     
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    11-5, hamilton dominated this year, it was the right result. to think nico had only 2 more wins than dan this season......
     
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    Congratulations Lewis. Looking forward to McLaren next year.
     
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    Did he have a technical problem with his car?
     
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    Do you also support Chelsea by any chance? Probably think John Terry is a saint, right?
     

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