Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by tennis_pro, Oct 14, 2012.
What about on grass?
All that Federer did was unexpected and I am quite content with his results. He has exceeded my expectations.
None of them are my idol, that's Haile Gebrselassie.
I think he's great on clay. It's just a colossal effort to beat Nadal on that surface. But Djoko has now won 3 clay masters overall and had another season of reaching 3 clay finals and it's pretty much better than anyone else not called Nadal these days.
Sure,I guess that's why Count ******* beat him easily on clay twice last year in back to back finals.
Wait a second..on all these other threads before murray won his slam, you said that murray has had a better career than del potro...
Now you say that you wouldn't swap his major for all 9 masters.
This leads me to the conclusion that you have been a troll all along. or a hypocrite
ha ha but Fed also beat Rafa at Hamburg and Madrid. It can happen from time to time but impossible to achieve on a regular basis and out of the question in a best of 5 unless Rafa's knees are completely shot. If Djoko thought he had solved Rafa on clay once and for all in 2011, he sure was in for a big surprise in the aftermath...
But the question is has Nadal solved Djokovic once again on HC and can Nadal still beat Djokovic at W? That remains to be seen.
Just for Nole to reach the semis of wimbledon is a great result for him. Last year he went far and above the norm. Is that considered a "bad result" for Djokovic? Did anyone really expect him to successfully defend his wimbledon title?
Nole is at his best on hard courts. PERIOD.. Last year, I think Nadal was in a mental funk from the onset vs. Nole and it carried over into all surfaces.
But as Nadal showed, when hes on his game, no way Nole can hang with him on clay. Really Nole shouldn't even have beaten him in Australia this year.
But Nole a had a great year overall. To expect him demolish and destroy ala 2011 is not realistic.
Nole's norm is having the most success on hard courts.. And some solid success on clay and grass. But I wouldn't consider him a great player on neither of those surfaces.. So a good semis or finals appearance at either slam for Nole at either is a dang good result IMO
Nole did very well in the hard court tournaments this year.. Just won Shanghai and is contention to end the year at number 1. It was a great year for Nole considering hes beamed back down to earth
Of the 3 players of those I like:
Nadal- Yes I am happy. He regained his clay dominance, ended his dominance at the hands of Djokovic from last year, got the record and title of undisputed clay court GOAT, and he gets to rest injuries built up over many years now which could be a blessing in disguise. He also came very close to winning a hard court slam again, showing he still has it in him if healthy and fit.
Djokovic- Yes I am happy. Wil end the year #1 again, had the best year in slams and Masters of anyone, and on hard courts is overall still hands down the best and one to beat.
Murray- Yes I am happy. Won his biggest title yet at the Olympics then broke the slam duck at the U.S Open. Made 2 slam finals in same year for first time ever.
In Federer's case I cant imagine any of his fans not being happy either. This is the kind of the year that was a huge success for everyone since only the most deluded Djokovic fanboys really thought he would duplicate or surpass his 2011 year in every single sense.
Winning 1 Wimbledon is a great result for Djokovic, even if he never wins another. He isnt that good a grass court player. Murray and Roddick are better ones and never won Wimbledon (atleast not yet in Murray's case). Djokovic is a better clay courter than grass courter and hasnt won the French yet. I agree it is stupid to consider semis of Wimbledon a bad result for him, and only an idiot or hater would do so.
I'm happy with Djoker's season. I expected him to finish 1 again, but of course not as dominant as last year. And that's what happen.
Though I think he could've won one more slam. He had a chance at RG, if it wasn't for the rain he would've won the 4th and who knows what would've happened in the 5th. I think that final was 50/50.
But his best chance for a second slams was at the USO. He was dead in that 5th set. It's impossible to play 9 sets in 2 days. Not to mention he had chances to win the 1st set too.
Besides that he was the best players at Slams, M1000 and probably will end as N1.
Only on clay. We don't know yet whether Nadal will be able to beat Djokovic on non-clay surfaces. If Djokovic does well at the last few events of the year, he may regain his 2011 confidence and be very tough for Nadal to beat off clay.
what idols. I'm much better looking and sexier than Djok/grand pa Fed/AM and Rafa combined. please show some respect
My goals for Rafa in 2013 are:
1- play some pro tennis (given the circumstances, I have to start with the basics )
2- beat Djokovic off clay
3- win at least one title off clay
If he manages those 3 things, I will be totally elated and will consider the season a huge success. I will be happy too if he does well on clay but he already has all the records there. He has to re-establish himself as a threat on other surfaces now. I see that as the most pressing priority.
Meh. Neither here nor there.
I agree with you here. Nadal has established himself as the clay GOAT, now he needs to try and win a few more slams off clay if he can. It is going to be more difficult for him now however with Djokovic and Murray in their primes and with both being so good on HC's.
Djokovic last year was of course an A+ year. I give him an A/A- for this year (final grade still to be determined). I'm happy with that.
Well, they're not my idols, but I think they should each be happy since they all got a Slam apiece plus something - Rafa his historic #7 ahead of Borg, Roger his #7 Wimbledon and his 300 weeks at #1, Andy that UK no-Slam monkey off his back with the USO and Nole ... didn't crumble after that superhuman 2011.
I am pretty gutted with Rafa's season (or lack thereof). I guess I'll quit watching tennis if he retires.
Definitely content with Federer's season. 3 Masters, Wimbledon, 300 weeks at no.1 and a handful of 500 tournaments aren't bad for a 30 year old in decline, no?
But Fed is not your idol, no? Quite the contrary, you have a pathological hatred for the man.
It's about your idol's performances this year, so LOLville, while it's obvious you hate Fed more than you love Nadal (if that makes sense) I'd say he's still your idol, you must be happy with Nadal winning 7th FO, no? He wasn't able to prevent a terrible disaster happening at Wimbledon but things don't always go the way you want them to.
Also regarding using # of non-slam titles in a year as an indication of form, we'd have to agree that 2005 was the best year of Nadal's career, no? He even achieved career highest winning % in that year.
Yes, I still have vivid nightmares about that match with Rosol, don't know if my fragile psyche will ever recover.
However, that doesn't change the fact that I'm ecstatic our humble hero Rafa managed to win his 7th FO despite being in massive decline (ever since 2011).
I am a Federer fan, I just don't show it. Unlike many here, I am also not a hardcore Federer fan, so my fanboy-ish nature may appear less obvious.
While there are definitely aspects of the man I dislike, the positives qualities definitely outnumber the negatives. So there.
Bwahahah! That's a good one, sonny.
Of course, it's nigh impossible to display/show something that isn't there in the slightest.
I wouldn't dream of accusing you of being a hardcore Fed fan, hardcore Fed hater on the other hand? Definitely, if anyone fits that description it's you LOLville.
Don't worry JV, your real nature is quite obvious to some of us
LMAO! This should be fun, pray tell, which are the positive qualities Fed possesses? Try not to throw up while you're writing them JV.
Gutted ? Only disgraceful Rafa fans like you will feel gutted. The rest of us are already celebrating Rafa's CYGS when he comes back and tears through the ATP in 2013 as a much better version of himself than in 2008 and 2010 combined. If you don't trust me, ask NSK.
Pretty satisfied with Murray's season so far, there's been a few disappointments for sure (Wimby final, MS1000 defeats to Djokovic and AO SF), but the Olympics and USO more than makes up for it.
The icing on the cake would be if Andy can accrue more points in Paris and possibly win WTF.
Getting the slamless monkey off his back was the main objective in 2012 so it's been a successful year.
The season for Rafa?
Pretty bad overall because of his injuries, don't even know if I can call it a season with him gone for what will probably be six months.
Outside of the shock loss in WB(which may have been affected or not by his physical problems that returned in spring), the first half was pretty good, final that he narrowly lost in AO, had a weak American hc run and managed to get Djoko off his back in the clay season by beating him 3 times there.
But again, since Nadal missed half of the season because of injury I can't see how it can be good if we look at the overall picture. In 2009, at least he was on the court and trying after the injury(sorry, silent ban) that kept him out of WB. It wasn't pretty seeing him lose left and right but at least we got to see some Rafa tennis.
This season you can truly say belonged to the big four. All four players dominated this year and played some great tennis. They all won slams, and pretty much shut out every other player.
Basically, if you are not a part of the big four, you are not winning any of the big prizes.
AO - Novak
IW - Roger
Miami - Novak
MC - Rafa
Madrid - Roger
Rome - Rafa
RG - Rafa
W - Roger
OG - Andy
Canada - Novak
Cincy - Roger
USO - Andy
Shanghai - Novak
I was pretty happy with the half season Rafa played, but as dominant as he was during the clay season, I am still desperately disappointed he didn't win that AO final against Djokovic and that alone would have made my year. I think that backhand in the fifth set will haunt me forever...
Obviously the grass season was a pile of dung though, and spending the second half of the season worrying if Rafa will ever be the same when (or if) he comes back from injury isn't much fun
It's fair to say the season could have been better for Rafa, but I shouldn't complain at a seventh FO title while denying Djokovic a piece of history in the process.
WOW!! Total Domination!!!!
There is no "big four". Stop with the bs.
Djokovic isnt the one to beat at Wimbledon anyway. Only in his most superhuman form (2011) can he hope to win on that surface. If Nadal cant even beat Djokovic on grass in the future he would have no hope of winning Wimbledon anyway even without him. As for hard courts Nadal will never find those easy to win in the first place, Djokovic is just an additional big obstacle there of numerous already present. They played only one match off clay this year and Nadal very nearly won on Djokovic's favorite surface, by favorite I mean specific type of hard court even, and he hardly played an unbelievable match to do so. In the event Nadal is fit and at the top level I am quite confident he has a fighting chance vs Djokovic on any surface (and a great one on grass where Djokovic isnt as good as Federer or Nadal or maybe even Murray anyway, but Djokovic isnt the one to beat at Wimbledon anyway) and if he isnt fit or at the top level he wont have a hope of winning slams off clay anyway. Either way I dont see a 2011 repeat of only Djokovic stopping Nadal everywhere. In the event Nadal isnt playing at the level to win slams or win slams off clay, there will be alot more to it than just Djokovic.
You are making it way too complicated. The bottom line is Nadal has not shown that he can now defeat Djokovic on HC and grass since their last meetings at Wimbledon and the USO. Also, Djokovic has improved a lot on grass and since he is in his absolute prime, I think it would be safe to assume he may win another Wimbledon. None of us know what is going to happen in future matches between Nadal/Djokovic so until then the fact is that Nadal has not turned around their meetings any place but on clay. Do I think Nadal can beat Djokovic off clay in a slam again? Yes probably, but we will have to wait and see.
Why bother about some random trolls in internet? I dont bother much about his losses as I know that happen to every player. I don't think the top players would be in top four when they are 31 let alone number one.
I think we can just enjoy his game. In ever match he plays, there would be at least one shot that has a stamp of Roger Federer in it. I need just that and there is nothing more beautiful in life than watching the meastro with the racquet. I want that to last for at least two years..
If recent competitions and form is to go by, I can envisage a regular rivalry between Djokovic and Murray in the more important non-majors and the slams.
Unfortunately with Nadal's injury its difficult to see him getting back to tournament winning form too soon and all the time Federer refuses to take the advice on this forum and move to a 95 head, he does seem to getting picked off by both Murray and Djokovic recently.
The position I find myself in is that being a fellow Brit, to have a player that has the potential to win major tournaments after so many of nearly men, is very refreshing and exciting. But its very difficult supporting Murray when he is now primarily competing with Djokovic who is one of the nicest guys in sport, let alone tennis.
So to answer the question in the thread, I'm very pleased, but I just have this dilemma now when it comes down to who I want to win a final.
Completely agree. Nadal reclaimed the advantage in the clay court domain, but that does not mean he has completely turned the tide. Yes, Nadal nearly beat Djokovic at AO, but I find it funny that the epic five hour battle with Murray is overlooked, in which he also had a day less to rest. And then he outlasted Nadal in six hours.
As far as grass in concerned, Djokovic lost to an inspired Federer and Murray, who played some of their absolute best tennis of the season to beat him. And Djokovic is far more comfortable playing Nadal than the other members of the big four.
We will see what happens, and if Nadal completely overturns the rivalry then kudos to him. But only having done it on clay, while Novak beat him across all three surfaces does not mean he has reversed the advantage.
It's like saying if Federer played Nadal in Basel, Paris Indoors and WTF, and beats him in his most favorable conditions, which would be very likely considering their indoor H2H, that he has the advantage in the H2H, when we know that is simply not true.
Lets go back further to illustrate the point even more.
MC 10 - Rafa
Rome 10 - Rafa
Madrid 10 - Rafa
RG 10 - Rafa
W 10 - Rafa
Canada 10 - Andy
Cincy 10 - Roger
USO 10 - Rafa
Shanghai 10 - Andy
Paris 10 - SODERLING
WTF 10 - Roger
Davis Cup 10 - Novak lead team
AO 11 - Novak
IW 11 - Novak
Miami 11 - Novak
MC 11 - Rafa
Madrid 11 - Novak
Rome 11 - Novak
RG 11 - Rafa
W 11 - Novak
Canada 11 - Novak
Cincy 11 - Andy
USO 11 - Novak
Shanghai 11 - Andy
Paris 11 - Roger
WTF 11 - Roger
Davis Cup 11 - Nadal lead team
AO 12 - Novak
IW 12 - Roger
Miami 12 - Novak
MC 12 - Rafa
Madrid 12 - Roger
Rome 12 - Rafa
RG 12 - Rafa
W 12 - Roger
OG 12 - Andy
Canada 12 - Novak
Cincy 12 - Roger
USO 12 - Andy
Shanghai 12 - Novak
ONLY Soderling has managed to take anything away from these four since Monte Carlo 2010. It just shows that these four are the BIG FOUR for a reason.
Pretty disrespectful, given the cogent argument the poster you were responding to was making. How is there no big four? They all won majors this year. They won all the big events. It's been their year.
I'm a huge roddick fan and I've been depressed ever since he retired at the us open
Preaching about disrespect on this forum is hilarious. It wasn't meant to be disrespectful anyway,so please spare me the indignation.
And again,there is no big four. There is only a big 3.
Your stupidity is hilarious. Keep on posting so I and everybody else on TW, can have a laugh :twisted:
You have got to be kidding me!!!!!! And plus fed had MP 5 oft gem in the monfils match in 2010 if he won thatwhoknows? But these guys are just so far ahead!!
Federer has surpassed my expectations for this season.
With a relatively lackluster 2011, his age being 30+, and two twin girls to take care of I feel he is at the point in his career/life where everything is really bonus now.
None of them is my idol. The player I like most is Federer, though, and I'm very happy with his season. He had some big losses, which is understandable at this point of his career, and he also had huge victories.
Murray, imo, has grown into a scarly player (in a positive way). His ability to reach for every shot and hit them so well is amazing, and to me, he is the best player currently on the tour, despite his loss to Novak. He also won a gold medal and his first slam, so now that this burden is off his shoulders, except him to become even more dangerous.
Novak has been terrific, just not quite as dangerous as in 2011. He beat the big players, but also lost to them. Still, its tough to really top a year like 2011 (Fed's 2006 and that's basically it).
Nadal has been the worst out of the top 4. He did well to give Djokovic a good run in AO 2012, and did his usual clay thing. But other than that, Nadal has not been doing all that well. He lost to Federer (taking a toilet break on MP, ffs), lost to a player nobody even knew at Wimbledon, and then "suddenly" got injured.
Overall predictions for 2013: Federer will be done, he had a good run in 2012 (best run he could have at this point), but I can't see him staying that competitive for much longer. His game just looked broken in Shanghai against Murray, and while Murray was unbeatable at this match, Fed was rolling in serve, hitting extremely weak and incosistent strokes, and just not being the super sharp, focused Fed from the old days.
Nadal will be back but I don't think he'll dominate anything but clay, which he will still have good runs on. On HC he will need to be really lucky to dethrone Nole/Murray.
Murray and Nole are the future of tennis, and that future was predicted years ago, just came a little late due to Murray not winning slams and Nole staying a distant 3rd to Fed and Nadal until 2011. I think they will meet each other many more times and make for a nice rivalry.
I hope that 2013 gives younger players a chance to shine - Dimitrov (though I doubt it), Ranoic (probably), Young (highly unlikely).
Ok then when is the last time Nadal won anything? When is the last time he even played a match? You cannot count him in the big 4 unless he actually does something. Whether you like it or not there is no big 4,only a big 3.
If that's the case then drop a nuke on tennis because that will be more bearable than watching that Pong-esque match-up.
Can't wait for 2013. More Nadal-Djokovic. A mouth-watering prospect and a breath of fresh air from all the other encounters.
It is hard, no?
But he'll be playing an exho in Toronto in November with, I think, Milos -- and his foundation raised a cool mil right after the US Open, and I'm sure both ESPN and TC will be after him to commentate.
I mean, Johnny Mac is everywhere, 20 years after his retirement -- he's so ubiquitous sometimes I get tired of him (though not really). A-Rod will continue to be a presence in tennis.
I don't see how Nadal's fans can be happy with his season. He obviously played well enough in the early part of the season to still be top 4 in the year to date rankings, but having your favourite injured, with uncertainty as to how well he'll do on return, has to be a blow.
Federer fans should be pleased with his season as a whole. In many respects, he's had a remarkable year, and extended records, and I don't think they could ask for more. But if they are realistic, there will be a sadness that as he achieved his amazing 300th week being number 1 in the rolling year rankings, his current form isn't great. His early(ish) exit at the US Open could have been a blip, but Shanghai proved his current level cannot match that of Djokovic and Murray. It's another sign that his time at the top is coming to an end, which has to be at least a little bit sad for fans. If he perks up during the indoor season, it'll brighten things up, but right now, his season has a bitter-sweet feel to it.
Djokovic has had a great season. Fans who were expecting a repeat of last year may be disappointed, but he's been consistent throughout the year and is likely to be year end number one. The vast majority must be very happy. If he'd lost in Shanghai, they might be entitled to a few nerves that Murray had the upper hand, but now they are even for this year, it's a taster for some exciting battles ahead.
Overall, Murray's had a great year, achieving things he'd not achieved before. Pre-Wimbledon was disappointing, and worrying at the time, and the lack of a Masters win is disappointing, but looking at the year as a whole from this end, it's no biggie.
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