fantasy match 11: Gonzales vs Sampras

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  1. kiki

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    Well sirs,we talk about S&V kings here.Two super athletes and more than possibly the two greatest serves ever.Gonzales had a more fluent game while Pete had more firepower.A fast indoor court would make it a great spectacle, and the US nº 1 crown would clearly be at stake ( with Tilden permission, of course).

    Sampras was quiet but had a winning mind.Gonzales was as extrovert and agressive as you can find but was also a man who played with rage inside.Iced Pete vs Hot Pancho.The one who unfolds the gun ( the serve) faster wins.Like Kirk Douglas vs Burt Lancaster.One of the two won´t leave the court alive.Make your bets.I am unable to take a pick here.

    Oh¡ on clay Pancho was a bit better but on hard it may have been Pete...
     
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    Have not seen enough highlights of Gonzales to comment but by all reports Sampras was a modern day version of Gonzales. I would imagine the match if played on a fast indoor court would probably be a bit boring, ala some of the Sampras Ivanisevic matches at Wimbledon, which is what caused them to slow down the courts.
     
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  3. 90's Clay

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    I think Pancho put Sampras in the same category as Hoad when he was questioned about Pete's game back in the 90s. And Pancho seemed to respect Hoad's game even more than Laver's.

    It would be a pretty close one. Hard to say.

    Sampras was the deadliest, most authoritative player on medium/fast surfaces Ive ever seen but Ive heard Stories that so was Pancho in his day.
     
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    I think they'd have close matches between them, and it would depend on form. I have only watched footage of Gonzales in small doses. He was a great player, without question. See this info.

    ^ The History of Professional Tennis, Joe McCauley, page 57
     
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    why not played on wood?
    It was replaced by Supreme ( in the early 70´s) as the most popular pro circuit surface and it was possibly even faster than supreme itself.
     
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    This is one of those matches, like Nadal-Borg on clay, that is just impossible to call.

    If someone invents a time machine to enable this match to be possible, please let me know. :)
     
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    On clay, it is Pancho

    He was a man who used his minds to figure out the weakness of opponents and that is the real difference vs Sampras, who often relied on his mere superiority but was reluctant to any small change that could pay off in the long term.

    Gonzales played the RG SF and won pro majors on clay.Sampras won the IO but nothing else.
     
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    It would be a servapalooza!

    I'll go with Gonzales (just barely), because of his fiery determination.
     
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    In a long tour when the players go from city to city playing night after night Gonzalez would have a clear edge because I think his stamina was superior. I would love to see one match at Flushing Meadow for all the marbles between the two. Two great movers with super serves, excellent volleys and great power if needed.
     
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    Wow, this would a tough one to call. The two are so similar in many ways.

    Clay: Pancho wins 4 of 5 (although neither was a great clay courter)

    Hard: Sampras wins 3 of 5

    Grass: Sampras wins 4 of 5

    Carpet: Pancho wins 3 of 5

    Wood: Pancho wins 4 of 5
     
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    I agree on wood and carpet.

    On clay, I see Pancho at 3-2, on hard Sampras wins 4-1 and on grass, I pick Sampras 3-2 (Pancho won two FH titles and some pro tourneys on grass...)

    That makes 13-12 for Gonzales
     
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    Isn't Pistol Petros considered to have one of the highest peaks on carpet of all time? He never played on wood as far as I know, but I bet that it would have suited his game really well. For Sampras, it seemed that the faster the surface was, the better his game was on it!
     
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    It can easily be 13-12 for Sampras, as he can dominate on carpet.
     
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    Sampras at the WTF lost in years he was generally regarded the worlds best player to Chang, Corretja, and Kuerten in the semis. Not exactly a collection of indoor giants, heck Nadal is probably even better than any of those. Also to Stich in the final, although that isnt nearly as bad a defeat as those others. He even lost a Masters final to Tomas Muster on lightning fast carpet once. I think he is a bit exaggerated on carpet. His peak play on it may have been amazing, but he obviously wasn't the most consistent, even in his prime.
     
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