Fat loss...how did you do it?

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  1. Bartelby

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    I've never advocated any diet, paleo or otherwise, but given that you never really read anything but travel within the domain of evidence created by your own experience this is not surprising.


    What I think some science is pointing towards is:

    1. saturated fat is not bad and not the cause of obesity
    2. nitrate processed meats are bad for the health
    3. over-consumption of carbs is not good for weight maintenance
    4. protein with a meal keeps one more satiated for the same calorie input
    5. over-consumption of salt also has negative health effects


    I probably could go on but I'm really not an expert on these matters and this is just what I descry from the science journalism that I'm able to read.

    Seeing that you've lost weight, and that you lost it by a peculiar ad hoc method that is finding no resonance in this thread you turn upon anything that's anathema to what you've experienced.

    I must admit that if you've lost some weight over a long time through upping mainly your exercise regime then you also fit the science as a high exercise regime is not something most people are capable of maintaining with a low carb diet.

    I heard this on the radio so I can't give a reference.





     
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  2. r2473

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    ^^I'll put it to you this way. You seem to view "living" as a "science". I view "living" as an "art".

    That said, there is nothing wrong in my view with incorportating the "science" into the "art". It's simply a question of which is "master" and which is "servant".

    The term I used for this at the very, very beginning is "moderation". (Other times I might use "balance" or "harmony"). Moderation is purposefully a word of "art", not science.

    Moderation was shot down. I think most people favor "science" over "art". Which is fine. But bear in mind that it is probably possible to find some "science" to back up nearly any assertion in this "nutrition" arena. So, which "science" do you believe? And why?

    Look, I'm not against any of this stuff. Now....take all this science and incorporate it into your lifestyle. See how it goes. That's all that matters to me. Quirky? Maybe. But the subject matter itself (as a subject of abstract knowledge) isn't that interesting to me. I'm only interested in it so far as it is useful. To me.
     
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  3. therecanbeonlyone

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    Here is one that I think makes sense and fits with my diet change.
    The scientific presumption (for me...because I am no scientist or expert) is that an alkaline diet will help the body rid itself of fat. How/why it works: when your blood is too acidic the body eventually turns to your fat cells to store extra acid. No matter your calarie deficit, your body will try hard not to burn these fat stores if your blood is too acidic. Thus, if you alkalize your blood/diet, your body is free to burn the fat stores. (Generalization coming) Alkaline foods happen to be green and fresh from the earth while acidic foods are processed packaged foods and meats.
     
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  4. Surecatch

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    Without getting too specific, my philosphy (that works quite well) is this:

    Cardio in the morning, before calories....gets you to burning fat quicker because it exhausts your carb' supply faster.

    Lifting weights. Building muscle results in more fat burning.

    Being careful what you eat, without being obsessive. Being obsessive is asking for trouble. You'll most likely fail eventually. I don't drink pop, I watch juices, I drink a lot of water, I mostly stay away from candy and things like pancakes, donuts, bagels, things that are just white flour carbs. I make sure I get plenty of protien, and I take supplements to keep everything inside working good. When things are working right, your body does everything better...including burning fat. Also a post workout meal (after lifting) is important....a whey protien shake and a banana for soreness and for recuperation.

    Plenty of sleep...at least seven hours a night. This is more important that people think.

    And also very important, I just try to live a more active life......keep moving, do things, don't sit around, take the stairs. The little things really do add up.

    Good luck to all of y'all in your efforts. I enjoy reading your stories too. Thanks.
     
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  5. Power Player

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    Easy and normal fatloss mealplan:

    Blueberries and otmeal (no sugar) for breakfast

    Tuna melt (no bread) inside a sweet potato for lunch (one option, but a real nice one) with a fruit of your choice.

    Grilled chicken salad for dinner

    Anyway thats one of my go to's if I am not doing IF.
     
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  6. Pitmiksovic

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    Interesting...that tastes good? I'm trying to imagine it but I can't. I absolutely love sweet potatoes, and I do like a tuna melt, but really? That's actually good?

    To answer the op's question...i started out just under 200 lbs, now i'm just under 140. Did it gradually over the last 10 years and I turn 40 in december this year. I would lose 25 lbs then maintain for awhile, then 15 more, then maintain...I got down to about 145-150 and stayed for quite awhile. This is all on a zone type diet. A couple winters ago I kicked up the exercise doing a lot of running on a treadmill and got down to just under 140.

    This summer I'm inching down to 135-136...I'm only 5' 5" so its not excessively skinny. I'm eating more fruits and unprocessed foods than ever before. About 25% protein, 30-35% fat, 40-45% carbs. I think I'm about hitting the 10% BF mark. I have visible abs, visible muscle seperation, and some visible striations and my diet is predominantly carbs, but its about 80% quality unprocessed carbs. If I do have a refined carb, it is accompanied with some vegetables or something with some nutrients in it anyway, like half an avocado on a burger or red and green pepper with chicken on tortillas (otherwise known as fajitas! Yum!)

    The protein choices on my diet are unprocessed. The fats are unprocessed. I make all my own food. I keep track of how much I am eating. I practice calorie control. Note that I do not call it calorie restriction. I don't restrict, I control, and there is a difference. Its not difficult to monitor your calories if you make your own food and especially if you use quality unprocessed whole foods to make up your meals. I don't worry about being overly precise either, everything is rounded to the nearest 100 to make it easy. I eat a lot of chicken, with olive oil. I know how many calories is in my chicken, I don't have to figure it out every time I make chicken. Its not hard. When I have some potatoes with it, I know how many calories are in a few baby gold potatoes, I don't have to figure it out every time. Its not hard.

    This is crazy how the same things keep coming out of the same peoples mouths (or keyboards I should say) in every thread on this subject without making any distinction between good quality nutrient dense macros - whether its protein, fat, or carbs - and **** poor quality nutrient scarce refined macros - whether its protein, fat, or carbs

    To the anti-meat crowd: meat is fine, just don't eat processed meats - chicken and steak is fine, hot dogs and salami aren't
    To the anti-carb group: carbs are fine, just don't eat processed carbs - sweet potatoes are fine, cookies and cakes aren't
    To the anti-fat folks: fat is fine, just don't eat processed fats - avocadoes are fine, egg yolks are fine, industrial refined soybean and vegetable oils are not

    The SAD diet (standard american diet) that makes everyone fat consists of excess amounts of **** poor quality foods altogether, not just excesses of any one particular macro.

    My advice - don't be anti-certain macros, be anti-processed/refined foods. Non industrial countries that don't have access to industrial processed foods do not have the health problems that countries with these foods do have, but they do tend to develop when they industrialize and introduce these poor quality nutrient scarce foods into their diets.
     
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  7. Power Player

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    Yes it is actually awesome. I was surprised myself but if you put the cheese in the warmed up sweet potato and then the tuna melt mixture, I believe you will be rather pleased with the results ;)

    Probably one of the most healthy lunches out there if you are looking to burn fat (or just eat right) as well.
     
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  8. Povl Carstensen

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    Its hard to have an coherent discussion with someone who says one thing and then says all I am saying is something else. We'll just have to disagree on that all science and methods are equal more or less pr definition.
    And now you are making it a choice between science and art. Who here has spoken out against art? And are these mutually exclusive? You just keep changing the playing ground. I guess that is more art than science.

    I would like to hear you elaborate on this. Well but maybe not.
     
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  9. r2473

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    No real mystery.

    1) Cutting calories doesn't guarantee weight loss. Certainly doesn't for me anyway. The body can react in many ways. Burning fat is just one of them. Plenty of people are overly restrictive on calories. The body can react badly to that. Especially long term. This is the idea behind the often talked about "refeed".

    2) I tried low carbs when I was losing weight. A few times. My body just put an immediate halt on the weight loss. When I went back to my normal method, I continued my slow progress. Some people cut carbs and drop lots of weight effortlessly. You just can't tell what will happen from one person to the next.

    3) No. What I call "art" and science are not mutually exclusive. Was I not clear in my post above. I don't really want to just reapeat it.

    Maybe you should tell me what you think I'm saying and then point out my contradictions. You've mentioned that I contradict myself more than once. I'm not really following you. I feel I've consistently argued in favor of moderation, but have always maintained that people should probably follow what they are comfortable with. I certainly have said that demonizing all carbs (Taubes) is not a good idea in my opinion, but I don't think its really harmful either. Just unnecessarily restrictive. And not the "silver bullet" solution. With weight loss, it might pay to "shop around", but all that matters is what you can make work for you. There is often times quite a lot of art to applying things to yourself. Few people are "text book cases". Some are I suppose.

    Povl, I strongly suggest you put me on your "ignore list".
     
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  10. beernutz

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    ARG, there you go again, Taubes does not demonize all carbs. Jesus, you are a one trick pony aren't you?
     
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  11. r2473

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    First I want to say that this is is FAR, FAR, FAR from any point I was trying to make in my post. But it is interesting that this is the bit you chose to pull out and quote.

    That said:

    True. He's fine with non-starchy vegetables and nuts.

    Can you tell me another food source for carbs Taubes is OK with?

    Grains? Fruit (fructose)? Maybe low GI fruits I think (ya, probably). Beans? Yams (starch)?

    Seriously. Give me a list. I'm under the impression that there is nothing beyond non-starchy vegetables and nuts. Probably low GI fruits.
     
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  12. Bartelby

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    When you tried low carbs you ended up eating more and that's why you lost no further weright.






     
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  13. Povl Carstensen

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    Maybe you should back up your claims instead. Besides this is not discussion about "everything Taubes says is right".
    But there is really zero discrepancy between the idea of eating unprocessed foods and the connection between carbs, insulin and obesity. So I suggest people step out of their trenches.
     
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    I never had to do it, I was always fit.
     
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    This is a clear misrepresentation. It was discussed months ago. Either you dont bother to find out what it is you disagree with, or you misrepresent purposefully. In either case it leaves your credibility way low.
    Hm, so the majority is the exeption to the rule when it comes to nutrition? I would have to disagree with that.
     
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  16. r2473

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    Exactly. I need to watch what I eat a bit more carefully.

    I feel pretty silly now.
     
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  17. r2473

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    Its the first option. I don't bother to find out what it is I disagree with. I will never speak of Taubes again.

    You are correct. I don't know what I was thinkng. Sorry to confused anyone.
     
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    You had a very weird and atypical experience. When you calorie restrict with high carbs, insulin levels are high, so fat cannot be burned. As a result, metabolism slows. When you calorie restrict on a low carb diet, insulin levels are low (and glucagon is high), so fat can be burned and the metabolism doesn't slow down. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/wellness/story/2012-07-24/ellie-krieger-eating/56465240/1

    BTW, the article at that link advocates your "moderation" approach.
     
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  19. r2473

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    Cool, thanks.

    Now I can do the low-carb correctly next time.
     
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    From what I have been reading..if you keep your carbs to 100grams or less a day, you are good to go. It seems to work for me.
     
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  21. bad_call

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    date much younger athletic women? think i could lose weight...
     
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  22. Bartelby

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    Interesting study on diet (not dieting) and heart disease:



    British epidemiologists from the University of Liverpool this month calculated that a staggering 30,000 cardiovascular deaths could be prevented each year in that country through a more robust approach to food policy and regulation, including relatively simple action such as:

    reducing salt and saturated-fat content of food
    banning the use of industrial trans fats
    promoting greater fruit and vegetable consumption
     
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  23. Bartelby

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    So what is for you a low carb diet and what is for you your carb intake when eating to lose weight while exercising?




     
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    I can live easily on that as long as the carbs are consumed in sync with exercise.



     
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    Me too, but after staying within this 100 gram/day guideline for over a year now I've found my body is more forgiving when I occasionally splurge and go over this amount.
     
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  26. Povl Carstensen

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    Exactly, but I actually dont count.
    I do not find it particulary restrictive to be aware of the connection between carbs, insulin and fat storage. But I do believe it is knowledge that could be of great help to many, many people who are stuck in their weightloss efforts. It is probably also a part of the scientific answer to why eating unrefined/unprocessed seems to be conducive to weight control.
     
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