Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Tempest344, Nov 27, 2007.
remember REAL Metal
none of that Nu-metal stuff eg slipknot
voted for Iron Maiden, but my fav. is probably Jag Panzer. I don't really consider Dream Theater metal, perhaps progressive metal but I think they are more progressive just in general.
Many of Metallica's older songs are like a good book that grabs you. Metallica's heavy metal noise was controlled... while, I can't say that for the rest of the heavy metal field, since it is based on making heavy duty noise instead.
Pantera blows em'all away!
Props to Megadeth too
I've always had a soft spot for Megadeth. An honourary mention goes to Iron Maiden.
Sabbath IS heavy metal. Didn't they basically popularize it? Old Metallica is on-time. Can't get much better than 'Kill 'em All', 'Ride the Lightning' and 'Master of Puppets'. Not much of a fan since 'And Justice For All', though.
... And Justice For All is amazing !!!!!!!
Since then, Hero of the Day was a good song, but most of it blowz.
But old metal rulez!
other good metal bands:
Fates Warning (prog now.. earlier was metal)
would have to go with metallica because i am not a big metal fan and have had very limited contact with most others on the list.
Definitely Avenged Sevenfold. Or Weezer. Yup.
I of course loved the "Big Four" of American thrash, but my favorite bands were Pantera and Sepultura, then Slayer and Metallica.
I respect Sabbath, and I love Tony Iommi's tone. But they (and doom metal in general) is just too slow for me. The metal I like really began with Motorhead and Iron Maiden.
Didn't Led Zeppelin invent "heavy metal"?
^^^ Hmm. I thought it was Black sabbath. But the term Heavy Metal was coined by Stephen Wolfe, and his song "Born to be Wild".
heavy metal thunder.
From what I could find, Led Zeppelin's first album was released in Jan. 1969, while Black Sabbath's first album was released in Feb. 1970.
^^^ true. I believe Sabbaths first album was a bit more hardcore than Zeps. There first album was "frowned upon" when it first came out. No station would dare touch it.
Nope, I disagree... too much noise. Metallica's noise is controlled better... it's a more civilized type of noise. For Pantera, you might as well just go in the jungle, and have the lions and the wild animals ROAR at you.
Yep. I love Zep but really don't consider them heavy metal. Sabbath was the bomb back in my childhood. War Pigs and Supernaut...oh yeah! My older bros exposed me to Sabbath in kindergarten. My Mom hated it and playing metal was forbidden. Good thing my Dad thought it was funny watching us bob our heads!
....and nobody's mentioned STRYPER??...........some poll (sigh)............
Have destroyed some of my hearing while enjoying that band.
Ah..... .....who doesn't like Lemmy The I'm So Bad Baby, I Don't Care" WART HOG'? A lot of Maiden is "pompous great" (esp. the vox) and I also admit to being a dunderhead who liked a lot of Priest's "British Steel" as well.
That said, we have a thread dedicated to HEAVY METAL and yet nobody's mentioned:
:shock:---"Jesus, Mary & Ralph!!...Did these guys suck or what?!"
You can quibble all day but I would call their early stuff Hard Bluesy Rock more than Metal...
Haha! Great story. Very similar to mine. My brother introdcued me to Sabbath as well. I still have their first album from when I was a kid. That cover is still wicked to look at.
I voted Motorhead, although the "metal" band that has been in heaviest rotation for me lateley has been Agalloch. I highly recommend these guys to anyone who likes epic stuff--that is if you're able to get past the vocals, which sound as though they are being sung by Gollum from Lord of the Rings.
Really? Communication Breakdown, Good Times Bad Times, Whole Lotta Love, and Heartbreaker are "Blues"?
Yeah, since a lot of Zep songs were based around old blues riffs.
The argument goes that, no matter how heavy Led Zeppelin songs got, they still had groove and Bonham still swung the beat. Thus, hard rock. When you no longer swing that beat (and especially if the bass is just there to double up the riffs), then you got metal. Blue Cheer and Mountain were often as heavy as Sabbath, but they weren't considered heavy metal.
Forget all my Mayhem and Cradle of Filth records. When I want the blackest of all metal, I reach for the Stryper. Only the mighty Creed is heavier, dude!
Pantera were kind of the Alice in Chains of the metal scene. They started out as a slightly cheesy, Judas Priest act. Frankly much of the underground metal scene never quite accepted Pantera due to their origins.
But, they worked out a really great idea (albeit borrowed from Exhorder), mixing thrash with Southern-fried groove metal. So, instead of playing the same old chugga-chugga breakdown you've heard a million times in thrash, you lay down a thick groove before picking the speed up again. Also, their records helped popularize producer Terry Date, who introduced a bone-dry, compressed sound, which became popular with various alternative metal acts in the 90s.
And then as that band progressed, you had two musical directions pulling on each other. The Paul brothers (like Jerry Cantrell) wanted to keep Pantera in their heavy, but groovy direction. But Phil (like Lyne Stalley) was rooted more in underground metal, and wanted to bring in death, hardcore, stoner, and other elements into their music. And in doing so, Pantera was kind of an interesting position where they were very popular but were often appealing to underground cred.
Then, a member from Pantera was killed by a devoted fan, right?
I didn't say every single song was a blues standard but when >20% of your album is written by Willie Dixon, yes, I'd call you a Blues Rock Band.
From a review of the first album: "Led Zeppelin is the eponymous debut album of English rock band Led Zeppelin. It was recorded in October 1968 at Olympic Studios in London and released on Atlantic Records on January 12, 1969. The album featured integral contributions from each of the group's four musicians and established Led Zeppelin's unique fusion of blues and rock."
I don't listen to a whole lot of metal, but I think that Dave Grohl's Probot album is pretty awesome.
I love it how we feel the need to categorise everything so tightly - I mean, every second or third post even in this thread is debating what is or isn't metal!
Anyways - Metallica gets my vote....
I don't care for heavy metal. It hurts my head, you can't understand the lyrics (which is a focal point for me when determining my listening choices) and is obnoxious in general. Wow, I now feel like my parents must have.
I don't know if they qualify as heavy metal or just hard rock, but I do enjoy the eighties Motley Crew, Def Leppard and Guns 'n Roses.
Haha, you should see discussions on the differences between the subgenres of metal. Stoner vs. doom. Death vs. grindcore. Speed vs. Thrash. Math-metal vs. prog metal. Is Motorhead really thrash, or sped-up boogie? Are Sepultura's Beneath the Remains and Slayer's Reign in Blood a death metal album or a death-thrash album? Could post-hardcore Dillinger Escape Plan be qualified as post-metal? Is metalcore really metal? When did Metallica go wrong? etc. etc.
CC, come on, there's a cure for myopia...
You can't understand the lyrics? Most Metallica is understandable,
Is obnoxious in general? Err, generalisations suck like vacuum cleaners:
Another categorisation debate
So close, no matter how far
It couldn't be much more from the heart
Forever trust in who we are
And nothing else matters
They're singing our song OO! Would this music not be more enjoyable though without the heavy, screaming guitars in the background that drown out the voices?
Screaming guitars? There's some dominant drums, but last time I checked there weren't any "screaming" guitars over vocals in nothing else matters! As you so correctly say... they're in the background! there is a power-solo, but yeah...
Of course, you could always just find the version with the symphony instead... it's amazing.
Okay, I'll give you that one song. Our song. lol. Am I incorrect in the description if we change the band to, say, Megadeath?
if u listen to Iron Maiden you'll be able to hear the vocals for sure
their singer is right up there with Freddy Mercury......awesome singer
The amount of pure ignorance throughout this thread is nothing short of amazing.
32 posts, and still not one mention of the greatest heavy metal band ever...
Tempest, do you honestly feel that Iron Maiden is better than, say, Journey or Boston? I'm curious.
Hmm.....ignorance or taste? Spinal Tap? Come on Deuce, I expect so much more from you.
Has to be old school Metallica, what the hell happened to them...grrrr
yeah but fictitious (mostly)
bands don't count lol
dunno I haven't heard Boston
journey's Ok i guess but i don't really know American Rock bands so much
their not so well known in oz
it just depends on how you like your music whether you like the lyrics or instrumentation etc
but then again I am probably too interested in Iron Maiden so there you go
Yeah, my Pops was the balance. Mom is VERY religious/spiritual and Dad was a cousin', drinkin', fightin' military vet. I got the best of both worlds. He would smuggle in the contraband (Sabbath, Kiss and ACDC tapes were the best) which we deftly hid in our rooms. When Mom went shopping or to church (the rare times we didn't have to go ), the metal came out, baby! We even had secret Kiss halloween constumes. Went out the door as Star Wars characters and made the switch to KISS after we left the neighborhood. My brothers loved Ace Freely and Peter Criss. I was a Gene Simmons man. Cheesy as Velveeta but we love it as kids. Dad's been dead 11 years now but he lived a great life. Here's to you Pop!
Take a look to the sky just before you die,
It is the last time you will,
Blackened roar massive roar fills the crumbling sky,
Shattered goal fills his soul with a ruthless cry,
Stranger now, are his eyes, to this mystery,
He hears the silence so loud,
Crack of dawn, all is gone except the will to be,
Now they see what will be, blinded eyes to see
'For Whom the Bell Tolls' Metallica
i think nowadays, metallica haves more of pop than of metal....
Children of Bodom or In Flames would get my vote for favorite heavy metal bands. Amon Amarth's got a great melodic death sound, too.
Ha, I wouldn't have thought I'd see Dream Theater listed with those other bands.
Black Sabbath started it all and are still the best. Most of the music out there today is just wannabe posers making noise.
Well, since YOU mentioned them, I'll remind you they were a hair metal band and a pretty good one, too. The OP asked about heavy metal.
Load/Reload plays more like blooze rock (which is fine if the Metallica rhythm section could actually swing a beat.) St. Anger plays like watered down System of a Down.
It's just tongue in cheek. You can't talk about 80s cheese without mentioning the mighty Stryper!
Journey is GREAT during karaoke!
I hadn't realized we were talking about the 80s... Stryper sold more records than a couple of the bands on the OP's list, btw...
Metallica. Their first 4 albums are the best.
Speaking of, here's Dream Theater covering Metallica's Damage Inc, with Barney Greenway on vocals. Who's this chap Barney Greenway you ask? Why the lead "singer" of Napalm Death of course. Enjoy!
Led Zeppelin "Borrowed" heavily from Blues greats like Willie Dixon and Robert Johnson. A example that come to mind of Led Zeppelin "Borrowing" is the Lyrics for "Whole lotta Love". They were taken from the great Blues man Willie Dixon. Another example is on "The Lemon Song", the Lyrics were from Robert Johnson. Led Zeppelin even took a Folk song by Joan Baez "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" and turned it into a heavy Blues song. Led Zeppelin was very much Blues based.
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