Fed comments of Murray

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  1. oy vey

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    Murray the favorite for AO

    Who said that? The bookies? Good for him,” Federer said Tuesday at a news conference for the Kooyong exhibition tournament, his traditional tuneup for the year’s first major. “It doesn’t help him a whole lot. I’ve been in that position before as well and didn’t make it.”

    “He’s put himself in a great position. He started off well, going well in Doha. He finished strong last year. It still does surprise me that the bookies say that,” Federer said. “He’s never won a Slam.

    “Novak is the defending champion here. Rafa had an incredible season last year. I won the last slam of last season. It’s surprising to hear.”

    “Not many guys have been able to win a Grand Slam in the last few years. Rafa and me took a lot of them, Novak won here last year. They don’t come easily.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_y...v7YF?slug=ap-federer-murray&prov=ap&type=lgns
     
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  2. Nadal_Freak

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    Typical words from Federer. Not wanting to give his opponents credit. He only beat Fed 4 times in a row now. lol
     
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    Fed should have said "that is correct, murray is the favorite" just to put the pressure on murray :)
     
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    Ignoring Nadal_Freak....

    Fed's comment comes off as a tad bitter and arrogant...BUT theres some value behind it...toting Murray as the favorite when Djoker will want to defend his title, Nadal will want a crack at the title and Fed will want to reclaim his title

    Fed is right, Murray is doing great but the bandwagon is growing far too quickly

    He still hasn't proved his metal in a GS

    And Fed, Nadal and Djoker are just a handful, we have Tsonga as well]

    Hell what if Safin "shows up", you can never predict outcomes in sports
     
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    Federer tells it like is yet again. Watch him get flamed here, but he's right on. It's all about Rafa, Federer and Djokovic at the slams.
     
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    Typical stupidity and trolling from your part. It is amazing that the forum administrators put up with you.
     
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    The fact that it's been until now doesn't mean it's gonna be forever! You don't win slams until you win your first one (there's always a first, isn't there?) and Murray made the final a few months ago, he's ready for a big win. Don't know if he'll get it but definitely belongs to the top contenders group. Tell it like it is? Yeah and like it is is sour grapes, that's what, wishful thinking that Murray will never win a slam which at this point is as improbable as claiming last year that Djokovic wouldn't win one either.
     
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    hes sour but hes right, good to hear federer actually speak his mind....
     
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    It's not sour grapes...he never said he wont win one, he's questioning how Murray can be the favorite?

    I'd like to know as well....

    People are too quick to jump on a bandwagon, it's so annoying which is why i never do it your prone to be disappointed
     
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    HAHA, Federer cracks me up!
     
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    Uh, Rios went on a tear in 98 reaching the Australian Open final and winning multiple masters tournaments that year. Yet he didn't enter the FO, Wimbledon, or the USO as the favorite that year. Let's be serious, this is a huge bandwagon named Andy Murray right now. And I'm willing to bet that he's going to implode at some point or another.


    Oh, and Rios won the YEC and STILL didn't enter the Australian Open in 99 as the favorite.



    Murray should not be the favorite. Period.
     
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  12. In D Zone

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    Not surprised coming from Federer! Rightfully so - he has to keep the swagger on his sleeves. Since he has 13 slams under his belt to prove it so as Rafa and Djoker. Murray has to prove himself - the slam is a 5 setter and anyone even favorites can get dropped as early as the first round.

    Call it arrogant or not - Fed knows how to win in these type of long drawn out battles. Time will tell if Murray can live up to the hype!
     
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    Actually let me try a little reasoning here just for fun. Nadal is my favorite player but on hard court recently he's been beaten by Murray, Simon, Monfils and had to retire from Master Cup with injury. Of course he is Nadal and he could pull a rabbit from his hat but I don't see putting him as the main favorite here.
    Djokovic has already won AO and he defends his title but his results have been a real roller coaster recently going from losing in early rounds to winning master cup to losing in first round again. In these conditions, it's rather hard to pick him with any sense of reliability. Then comes Federer, he has a lot of experience at winning slams and he won the last slam on hard, those are strong arguments in his favor tampered by the fact that it's been downhill for him since USO: didn't make a hard court final since then and didn't even pass the round robins in the Master Cup.
    Now Murray: has never won a slam, that's a big con of course but has won 3 hard court tournaments since USO (+ a master before USO), has made the final of the last hard court slam, has beaten the top 3 seeds in the last 6 months and is visibly the man in form and on the rise at the moment.
    Now the decision between Federer and Murray as first favorite is hard to make: experience vs momentum, which one to favor? That's when you have to look at the head to head and all their latest matches were won by Murray (more easily so in their last encounter). For that reason (even though Federer has won their only slam match) I would put Murray (very slightly) ahead, then Federer immediately after, Nadal in 3 (just because he's been more regular than Djoko recently) and Djoko in 4 (but with really nothing much between the 2).
    Apparently professional analysts used a similar logic to mine and came to roughly the same conclusions. For Federer to claim that Murray should not be part of these conclusions is not only "right off" but suspiciously irrational.
     
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  14. ThugNasty

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    excellent point from federer. Although nadal homers are about to make stuff up about him.
     
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  15. The Pure One

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    Exactly right. And precisely, A. Murray went down in the first round of the AO last year. Now is the favorite. Go figure!
     
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    They should be thinking about banning you. You are the one abusing other users for opinions different then yours. Initiating the attacks all the time. You and Gorecki are one in the same it seems.
     
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  17. Leublu tennis

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    I don't want to call you a troll, but this is a dumb comment. Don't you have anything at all to contribute?
     
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  18. Moose Malloy

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    Rios was the favorite for the FO that year.

    and to the OP, the sportsbook I use has Fed as the favorite at 9-4 (Murray is a very close 2nd at 5-2)

    I think British oddsmakers may have Murray as the favorite since I imagine a lot of money comes in on him there, esp in light of his recent form(when a lot of money comes in on a particular player/team/whatever, oddsmakers have to adjust lines accordingly, this isn't a case of oddsmakers being 'biased' or something)
     
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  19. tennisgirl90

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    Maybe he's right. I mean, there's no clear favourite this year for the AO. Murray has done so well lately, but yes, he has still to prove he can win a Slam. He's able to do so, but he can just as well lose in the first round like he did last year.
     
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    What an interesting idea. But, even though Marat is my favorite, I honestly don't expect that he will relive the 2005 wonder.
     
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    Agreed. Feds never been one for giving credit where credit is due very often.

    LOL.. People just finally realizing that Fed is arrogant.. Where have they been the last 5 years? LOL
     
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  22. Leublu tennis

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    Give it a break. Nam and Gorecki provide interesting comments. Try to learn from them.
     
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    *facedesk*
     
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    You must be a Nadal hater to find their comments interesting. I don't get why you are defending them but you haven't done your research to what you are defending.
     
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    Where did Federer claim that? Seems he said nothing more than he was surprised Murray was favourite amongst the bookies, which is not strictly true anyway. A lot of bookies have put him co-favourite or just behind Federer, not that this helps either of them, as Federer points out.
     
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    Yes, I'm that same guy who defended Nadal from steroid accusations by GameSampras. I HATE NADAL. I REALLY DO. HE'S TERRIBLE.
     
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    Was he? He couldn't have been a big favorite though. I do remember Moya being one of the guys who could have won it that year (and he did). Won Monte Carlo that year and did fairly well in the other tournaments.
     
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    Yeah I was pretty shocked when you said that based on your history. Even some of the other Nadal fans were surprised. I guess saying Nadal doesn't take steroids really isn't that far of a stretch though. But you usually do everything you can to discredit Nadal's success. Especially at Wimbledon.
     
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    Murray's response:

    By Frank Malley, PA Chief Sports writer

    Andy Murray accepted the challenge of being installed as joint favourite alongside Roger Federer to win the Australian Open with a message for the man who many believe is the best tennis player of all time: “I don't get nervous when I play you any more.”

    Murray could not have sounded more ice cool after practising in 37 degree heat in Melbourne. And while Federer has expressed surprise at the 21-year-old Scot being rated above world number one Rafael Nadal and defending champion Novak Djokovic in the eyes of the bookmakers, Murray was entirely comfortable with his odds.

    He said: “It doesn’t make any difference whether people expect you to win or not. It doesn't change my mentality.

    “You get used to being expected to win matches when you play at Wimbledon. The pressure that comes with that gets you used to these situations.

    “The older you get, the more matches you play, you realise what the bookies are saying doesn't make any difference once you get on court, whether they are saying good things or bad things. You just get on with your job.”


    More at www.andymurray.com

    Of course, those nasty bookies are only making Murray one of the favourites to annoy Roger and his fans. It's not like they are qualified to make judgements about betting odds and stuff like that, what with them doing it for a living, as opposed to us fans, who do it as a bit of fun.
     
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    More power to you and Nadal fans. Doesn't mean Nadal wasn't vastly helped out by the changing of the grass. He didn't adapt to win at all. Bjorn Borg and Jimmy Connors truly adapted to the grass. Nadal just stood on the baseline and hit 5000 rpm topspin forehands as usual.



    But hey, I'm not here to hijack the thread as you normally do.
     
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    Tim Henman obviously never got over that part. Pretty sure he pulled some epic chokes at Wimbledon.
     
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    The only one that springs to mind is in the semi v Goran. in 01 (I think).

    I don't think you can compare Tim Henman and Andy Murray as similar in terms of talent and/or character. Murray has already achieved more than Henman did in his entire career.
     
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    oh be quiet old man
     
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    It's funny it was okay to down on the media when they favored Nadal at the US Open..but its not okay to dump on the media when they favor Murray at the AO Open. Federer is right, and will remain right wheter or not Murray wins this slam, Murray is not that favorite. He has one slam finish past SF...no way in hell streak or not should he be favored.
     
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    One of those guys is known for going round & around in circles forever with his arguments. If that is your idea of 'interesting', I'd rather read the bland posts in here.

    The other one is very interesting and he knows who I"m referring to. :wink:

     
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    EDIT: I was proven wrong
     
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    I hope Murray wins the AO open. For once, it'll help shut Federer's mouth for some time!
     
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    Lance, as a general rule I don't don't defend journalists, but Murray did say:

    "“Now when I play him I don't get nervous and if I play my best tennis I can beat him.”
     
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    A lot of things have happened since last year don't you think?
     
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    Touche...if anyone hasn't noticed i try to be as objective as possible...but im a fed fan

    I agree that January 08 Murray and January 09 couldn't be more different, but Tsonga who offed murray, has been able to back up his performance and prove that his AO performance wasn't just a Safin

    So much has changed...the top 10 that fed had a winning record against (sans Nadal of course) is gone, he has a losing record against Nadal, Murray, Simon things have changed a lot
     
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  42. Moose Malloy

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    There was a lot of hype around Murray last year as well(many were picking him to make the final after he won Doha)

    trivia question - who was the last player to win a major at a place where they lost 1st round the year before?
     
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    Where does he say that? Am I going to have to go to the link?
     
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  44. LanceStern

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    sampras or federer
     
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    Federer knows more about winning slams then anyone on this board. If he doesn't think that Murray should be the favorite then I would say that it is an informed opinion.
     
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  46. vive le beau jeu !

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    federer wimbledon 2003 ?
    (ivanisevic did it also at wimbledon 2001)
     
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    For whatever reason, Federer has a real blind spot when it comes to Murray. Last March he said about Murray:

    "I don't think he's changed his game a whole lot since I played him in the Bangkok final.

    "Not that I'm disappointed but I really would have thought he would have changed it in some ways."

    After losing to him 5 times now, all he can say is that Murray is a "good all around player"? How about a "great" all around player at least?

    Murray is the only guy who can beat Nadal and Federer right now. He is red hot, with massive amounts of confidence. Whether or not he is the favorite to win the Australian, I think Federer is making a big mistake in underestimating Murray's incredible talent. Besides, Murray has been nothing but respectful and humble in his assertion of Federer's greatness. These continued comments from Federer are going to **** Andy off to the point where he is going to have extra motivation to not only take Federer out of the Australian, but to win the whole thing.

    Regardless, it's pretty cool that at least four players have a great shot at winning the Australian. This is going to be great.
     
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    He's not underestimating him...he knows...losing 4 times should open his eyes...on the other hand he shouldn't go around handing out praise and acting intimidated either
     
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    Lance - I didn't post the whole transcript as it would have been too long. Go to the link and you'll see it all.
     
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  50. coloskier

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    When you have won 13 GS's, you have the right to be arrogant. Until someone catches him (by that I mean win 13 GS's, not beat him 4 times), no one can say anything about it (except Sampras, of course).
     
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