Fed on schedule for another Nadal drubbing....

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  1. TMF

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    Of the 46 total titles that Nadal have won, could you list me the titles that Nadal won on fast surfaces with low bounce? Off the top of my head, he has only 1 indoor which was in 2005 Madrid when he was 2 sets down to Lubicic. Won Dubai in 2006. He never won fast Cinci., never won the Master Cup(now is call WTF).
     
  2. Nathaniel_Near

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    Relax folks, ...
    He's hinting more at an evenly balanced set of conditions rather than changing everything up so it's quick.

    TMF - the conditions at the WTF's for the last few years have been indoor, but not quick.
     
  3. FlashFlare11

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    That's quite the conundrum. On one hand when I question Nadal fans about this, they say that Nadal prefers not to serve too fast lest he be caught unprepared for the return (as Nadal has said himself). On the other hand, here is this "objective" Nadal fan telling me that on a faster surface, he'd have no problems using it (where a return of serve would come back even faster than on any surface we have today).
     
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  4. nadalwon2012

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    True, 5-1.

    2004 Miami NADAL 6-3 6-3
    2005 Miami FEDERER 2-6 6-7(4) 7-6(5) 6-3 6-1
    2006 dubai NADAL 2-6 6-4 6-4
    2009 Australia NADAL 7-5 3-6 7-6(3) 3-6 6-2
    2011 Miami NADAL 6-3 6-2
    2012 Australia NADAL 6-7(5) 6-2 7-6(5) 6-4
     
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    Haha, it's all good, just kidding there, I have seen enough random episodes on TV to spoil myself great part of the series already. :p
    I will certainly download all episodes to watch them more comprehensively sometime.

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  6. nadalwon2012

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    How about that, Nadal beat 2006 Federer at Dubai. Fast hardcourt.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    Indeed, quite the brainteaser. Nadalwon2010, do you compose problems for any daily newspapers?
     
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    Oh, that's a relief!

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  9. mandy01

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    So? Roger has beaten Nadal four times indoor, including his best years. And Shanghai was actually pretty fast when TMC was played there. The balance still tilts in favour of Roger. Thanks for playing, kid.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
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  11. TMF

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    No I didn't say that.
    I'm just saying Nadal's success owed heavily on the current condition, which is slow and high bounce.
    Fast surface/slow bounce favours Federer, he's better ball striker and his bh is more of a weapon. Nadal is the opposite...he rely on grinding/defense, and is comforatable with high bounce. You forgetting that Fed just broke the record for winning 6 WTF while Nadal hasn't won one. He won more indoors events, and 4 cinci. How many Nadal has won on these fast surfaces?

    Nadal's sucess is the product of his environment.
    Just like timz said, there's hardly and fast surfaces, and they are only small ones except the WTF.
     
  12. TMF

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    Right, but Fed also beat Nadal on clay, even bageled him. Your point?

    How many title has Nadal won on fast court/slow bounce? If he's that good on this condition there must be quite a alot since he won 46 total titles.
     
  13. TMF

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    But you notice player like Fed and Tsonga played all court game, s/v, chip and charge, serve was more of a weapon, fh is more lethal. This is the kind of style that Fed would beat everyone, and he proved it by owning the indoor season last year. Notice Davydenko doesn't have a chance against Nadal on clay or slow surface, but on this type of condition, he beat him!
     
  14. Towser83

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    course he could beat him on fast hardcourt, one day he'll probably beat him on inddor hard too. But fast hardcourt would favour Federer more than slow ones. Dubai was a close match, same amount of games overall, same amount of breaks, Federer won 7 more total points (though he also won more points in much slower AO 2009) and overall Federer hit his backhand much better.So a shame they never played more on fast courts cos that match was very good and we might have seen more close matches and a close H2H.
     
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    I don't know about that, unless they play in Rotterdam (where I still think Roger would win). For whatever reason, Nadal simply cannot play properly in that part of the year.
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    Sure, the indoor conditions allow pure timing to come to the fore and you can be more sure in aggressive tactics. Still, it isn't a fast surface. I'm being a pedant by alluding to the fact you should have addressed both fast and/or low bouncing surfaces and also indoor conditions in your earlier post. No biggie.
     
  17. TheTruth

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    Maybe so. I just responded to what he was saying.

    Anyway, the notion of separating the surfaces according to what benefits certain players seems futile.
     
  18. Towser83

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    i just feel if Federer keeps on playing for a few more years, Nadal is bound to win one against him at the WTF. Maybe Federer plays like crap, or he's already through and Nadal is on a mission. Or they stick in really high bouncing courts :lol:

    It just seems weird to think that Federer could hold an unbeaten record to him on one surface especially as he is getting older and surely if they keep playing indoors every year, one year he's gonna be too old. But maybe not, who knows?
     
  19. FlashFlare11

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    Yeah, it does seem out of place, especially considering that Federer has beaten Nadal on clay (bagelled him, no less). But Roger feels very motivated in that part of the year, like he has to prove something. He seems more willing to fight at the WTF than at Wimbledon nowadays. He just looks more natural on an indoor surface (I play a similar style of tennis as Roger, and I can definitely see why he'd prefer indoor hard to much of anything else against anyone).
     
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    ^Nice sig, TheTruth.

    Back on topic, I believe that all players, including Federer, have been aided by the slowing down of surfaces. Some, like Nadal and Djokovic, are players that depend on these surfaces. Federer, on the other hand, would still have been quite successful because he used to play serve-and-volley as "Baby Federer" in Wimbledon 2003.
     
  21. Towser83

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    True, in fact a guy like Roddick might have won Wimbledon on the old fast grass, he's been more hurt than Federer probably. Federer only got hurt when Nadal started playing well on grass and he could no longer keep up that level. US Open is a bit slower it's only recently he got hurt against Djokovic (Federer always seemed to be too strong for him at the US and Cinci, but who knows, maybe speed has nothing to do with the last couple of losses) but generally Federer can still play on slow surfaces, it's just against Nadal and Djokovic that he is now struggling because they are endless ball retrievers, they are young and they are more prime than him now.
     
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    The surfaces are what they are. They both have to play on them. That was my point. It's not the 90's anymore. The game has moved on. It's just a debate that makes no sense to me. It seems like arguing for wood rackets. Their time has passed too.

    I'm not trying to be difficult, it just seems weird to me.
     
  23. Towser83

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    yeah would be nice to keep his unbeaten record vs Nadal indoors, but I am prepared for Nadal to win one. I was at the WTF drubbing last year, prepared for Nadal to finally win and got the nicest surprise to see Federer complete the surface bagel :)
     
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    I'd love to see him keep this record, too. It reflects who is the more technically sound player. The scoreline from last year's match was completely unexpected. No one could have thought that Federer at age 30 could do that to a 25-year old Nadal. But he was simply brilliant in that match! Shame he hasn't been able to take that confidence past one set in the slams...
     
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    Fed was great in that match,but Nadal was far,far from his best. I'm not taking anything away from Fed because he is obviously the better player in every way,but had Nadal been in better form I think that match would have been closer than it was.
     
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    I agree. Federer can play on any surface. I just don't see the need to seperate the surfaces.Until they change it, we all just have to make do.
     
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    Oh yeah, there's no denying that. I was surprised that he even managed to beat Fish and take a set from Tsonga. Nadal wasn't near his best, but you still need a very good performance from the other guy to do what Federer did to him in that match.
     
  28. Towser83

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    it was like the the french open final from 2008, one player on fire, one player doesn't feel up for it. Only this time it was Nadal who was on the bad end.

    Also don't be so hard on Nadal, federer is not a better player in EVERY way. I mean overall I think he's a better player, but Nadal has many qualities any player would love to have.
     
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    Agree fully. There are some qualities of Nadal that I wish Federer showed (or shows more often).
     
  30. Towser83

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    if they could access eachother's talents at anytime, they would be practically impossible to beat by anyone else. Just the range of shots and skill they cover would make for one insanely good player.
     
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    You're one of the most rational posters here. And I say this as a huge Federer fan.
     
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    I am starting to. I want to make sure Nadal has a tough semi so that he has no advantage over Djokovic in the final.
     
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    Why would you wish that? Just out of curiosity. Their individual qualities make them who they are.
    I wouldn't want Roger to change for anything. It would take out all the fun of being a fan of his.
     
  34. monfed

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    I think he wishes Federer doesn't choke when he plays against the Nadal. :lol:
     
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    Lmao, okay let's watch what happens tomorrow when Rafa beats Nalby in straight sets.

    You are officially the worst troll on this site.

    If you jumped off a cliff and died on impact, you'd be doing us all a favor.
     
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    Federer will destroy him.
     
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    I predict a listless effort from Federer against Del Potro. He's beaten Del Potro twice in a row now, and has nothing to gain or lose by beating him again. He also has mostly defended his semifinal points from 2011. Federer also has the stomach virus as a cop-out. He does not want to play Nadal no matter what he is quoted as saying. Nadal will beat him and he knows it. And we know it. It's transparent. If Nadal somehow were to lose this afternoon, Federer will win tonight, but if and when Nadal gets through Federer will lose. Intentionally? Maybe not. The matchup will be playing on his psyche, and it wouldn't be the first time.
     
  39. monfed

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    Actually, Ralph plays his QF after Fed, so Fed's got no way of knowing. ;)
     
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    Thank you. That's sweet of you!
     
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    You know, only on TW people think like this. Seriously, Fed beats Nadal 1 out of every 3 times, he won 16 slams and trashed Nadal 4 months ago. 3 and 0. I think Roger will most likely lose, but believe he still likes his own chances, and rightly so.
     
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    That's great to hear. I will try to catch up sometime!!! Loved FFXIII's soundtrack!!! <3

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    Federer delpo at 20:00 GMT
     
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    Add up all the clay plus outdoor hard and compare that total with the number of indoor events. Once you get that total you will agree that its not true at all to say "All is fair"


    "So they should only have courts that benefit Federer? ". Actually its als,ost completely the opposite, the courts greatly favour nadal
     
  46. monfed

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    Absolutely nailed it.
     
  47. nadalwon2012

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    Regarding Fedal, I was concerned that Federer may beat Nadal at the Australian Open, because Nadal was still adjusting to his heavier racquet. Now I'm not concerned about it, quite sure Nadal will continue to rule Federer. And Nadal now had all of February to train with the heavier racquet, so will only get better. Nadal is in the doubles final, by the way.
     
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    I agree. Federer stood a chance in the AO. He wasn't that far off either. But there's no reason why he stands more chance now.
     
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    I'm not sure whether I've seen Nadal so at ease on hard courts, and he's well-rested. But I think this is the hard court that works best for him. From performance thus far, it seems like it's his tournament to lose.

    All the while, Fed has been playing a lot, he's barely made it out of a couple of early matches, it's been publicized that he's ailing and he's obviously the undergod.

    So, wouldn't it be funny with a bit of those role reversals he somehow managed to win, especially if he just ekes out a victory against Delpo?

    (I still think it's more likely Fed beats Nadal in a clay tournament than at IW or Miami, though.)
     
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    True, Nadal loves Indian Wells. He is the only player to make the Indian Wells semis every year for the past 6 years. A chance to make that 7.
     

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