Federer and the French

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  1. IanRichardson

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    Even though Federer has not been playing great this year, I still think he has a shot at the title. He has been the second best clay court player in the world for the past few years. I still think he is. With Nadal's bad knees I am really interested to see if he is able to win it again this year, or if it will be feds year, or if someone new decides to make a run on the clay.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. PROTENNIS63

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    Nadal's knees hold up well on the dirt. Remember clay is soft. I don't see Fed winning the French Open. He hasn't showed any impressive results. He has been consistent throughout the year, getting to the quarters and semis of several tournys but that is not good enough for a win on his least favorite surface. Plus in Paris, the courts can get a little wet and the ball becomes heavy- making it easier for Nadal.
     
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  3. IanRichardson

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    are nadals knee problems joint related? If so I can see the soft clay being easier on him, but if they are some other type of problem wouldnt the long grueling matches on clay hurt him?

    Does anyone know the answer to this?
     
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  4. PROTENNIS63

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    He has said it himself his knees only hurt on the hard courts.
     
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  5. Gerry

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    Now is too soon to tell, maybe after Estoril we could know how Federer's doing on clay. But, if i'm asked, based on the tennis showed so far, i'd not go with Federer to win the FO, my pick will be Nadal. Even if Nadal fails to defend his title, i think Djokovic has a better shot than Federer.
     
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    This thing about his knees is getting old. He is fine. He didn´t have any injury since October last year. He played a lot of matches on hardcourts in the last 3 weeks and he is fine. Like it or not he is not injured. Forget about his knees.
    I think it´s other players that should be worried about their fitness at the moment.
     
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  7. IvanYentl

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    perhaps the only way for roger to restore the aura of invincibility is to win the french
     
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  8. Nadal_Monfils

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    Highly doubtful. I see Nadal taking the French, hopefully without dropping a set.
     
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    Is Fed playing Estoril? He doesn't usually play any run-up t'ments, just starts in MC
     
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  10. master_stringer_mitchy

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    i think federer will win it this year. IF he won it and nadal did not play, would u still class it as being the best?
     
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  11. futuretoptenner

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    I have a feeling this year Federer will take the French. Theres been so much talking of whats wrong with Federer , I think this will continue up till the french open where Federer will produce some of his best tennis to win. It's just a gut feeling though.
     
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    The way it stands now I wouldn't be suprised if Federer lost in the first week of the FO. He's been going down routinely on a surface that he usually dominates. He will need to find much better form if he wants to win the French. He has said himself that he has many more opponents on clay.
     
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  13. Gerry

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    Yes, Federer planned a complete clay season:
    Estoril
    Monte Carlo
    Rome
    Hamburg
    FO

    G.
     
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  14. drakulie

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    I don't think nadal wins it again. 4 years in a row is a lot to ask. Either Fed, or some guy who gets hot wins it.
     
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    I don't think nadal wins it again. 4 years in a row is a lot to ask. Either Fed, or some guy who gets hot wins it.
     
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  16. CanadianChic

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    I'm afraid I don't believe Fed will ever win the French. It will elude him his entire career...the Holy Grail...and will be the cause of his insanity. (Sorry Drak, I like Fed but the FO trophy is not meant to be for him). ;)

    The title will either go to Nadal again *yawn* or Djokovic. There will be either a bare chested cheering section or a fist pumping warrior when all is said and done.
     
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    It's a long shot but who thought Davydenko would win this week? We'll have to wait and see.
     
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    I think slow clay courts will only magnify Fed's poor play. It will require much more work form him to win matches.
     
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    I think it will help as there are hardly any clay threats compared to hard court threats. We're in a hard court specialists era with a few clay courters and no grass court specialists.
     
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    No grass court specialists? After 5 Wimbledon titles in a row, i would have te say that Federer is a grass court specialist.

    G.
     
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  21. Nadal_Freak

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    Fed is about equal on all surfaces. He's been lucky not to have to face a lot of grass court specialists. He is the same as on hardcourts. It's just that everyone else is better on that surface.
     
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    I see Federer as a grass court specialist just as much as i see Nadal as a clay specialist. Both are very good at all surfaces, but are almost unbeatable on grass and clay respectively.

    Anyway, the topic of the thread is "Federer and the French" and, as i stated earlier, i don't think he will win, at least not this year.

    G.
     
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  23. fednad

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    Agreed! Fed will take French this time.
     
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  24. crawl4

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    fed will suprise people in FO,maybe not win though..i think nadal wont win as well

    gut feeling which i hope is right, i will be rejoicing if federer wins
     
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  25. veroniquem

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    Actually that's not "gut feeling" so much as wishful thinking! As long as clay season hasn't started, we can't really make judgements about anything. Let's wait a few weeks and see how it shapes up...
     
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  26. ExPro

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    Roger Federer will not win another grand slam event. The cracks started appearing last year and at the masters even he was able to turn things around to take that title, but as far as GS's are concerned he's maxed out. Mens tennis doesn't stand still. He's finding it tough now on the hard stuf wait until he comes up against the clay court masters, he'll struggle to get to the qtrs of Rome, MOnte Carlo, Hamburg etc assuming he plays any of these. As I alluded to in an earlier thread, I palyed the tour in the 80's and 90's and we saw it in Borg as early as the 1980 USO, In mens tennis it only takes a minute drop of your focus for the losses to start piling up. Anyone who knows tennis will know that RFs game is far from impregnable but to his credit he does everything so amazingly well and his mystique's been built largely on his GS success. Nalbandian doesn't fear him and will have more success against him in the future. I'm not a hater of the guy but the evidence is starting to shine thru. I know I'm going to be villified and pilloried by the fans of RF but come september you'll see.
     
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  27. ninman

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    You think Roger Federer will not win another GS event for the rest of his career and you want us to take you seriously? Federer has made 15 and counting consecutive GS semi's and that's still active despite playing the AO with glandular fever. I think Federer will make it to 17 or 18 before his career is over, including 2 French Open's.
     
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  28. ExPro

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    To that I will say ,'we'll see'. you are thinking as fan and by virtue of that fact you wont see things that are obvous to others but thats ok. I'm not sure about the glandular fever thing, i wouldnt want to question the legimacy of his claim but i'll tell you this: In 1984 we saw Connors get to the semis of the FO, USO and the final of wimbledon lose in the final of the Davis Cup and the guys in the locker room were noting that JC's shots were losing power the depth on his ground strokes was not what it used to be, ( he even went back to his T2000 in 85, blaming the losses on the new racket that he'd been using since 84) granted JC was 32 at the time but the decline was obvious and he didnt win another main stream event until DC in 88/89. i think then he won again in toulouse and that was the last of his tour titles, the point i'm trying to make is that he was still better than the majority of the players out there but when it got to the quarters or semis thats when he came unstuck and some times he wasn't even losing to superior players mainly it was lendl or mats other times it was a journeyman having an inspired week, much like mardy fish had this past week. RF will win tour events because he is still light years better than most of the guys out there but at the big events where the big guns are is where he'll struggle. So look closely and you'll see what i'm talking about Sampras GS records going to be safe for a while.
     
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  29. Nadal_Monfils

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    I feel like Federer is far more susceptible to defeat in matches that are 2 of 3 sets than matches at the Grand Slams which are 3 of 5 sets. Many people can just get hot for a couple of sets (Mardy Fish) but it is far more difficult to sustain a high level for a best 3 of 5, which Tipsarevic proved at the Aussie Open.
     
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  30. TennisProdigy

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    Nadal wins the FO hands down. Drops only 2 sets through entire tournament he's playing better than ever and as far as I can see his opponents haven't improved at all.
     
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  31. ksbh

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    With Rafael Nadal around and his excellent showing on his least favorite surface (hard courts), I don't see how Roger Federer can have any chance at winning the French Open this year on Nadal's best surface.

    I hope Federer gets to the final because we'll at least have a competitive match. If it's anyone else in the final, I see Rafa taking it in straight sets. I see Bjorn Borg as the greatest clay court player of all time but if Nadal wins the French Open again this year (and I'm fully expecting that), Borg won't be alone on that list anymore.
     
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    no soup or french open for Fed. -.-

    perhaps Fed has been playing lately as if playing on clay. Trying to be more loopy with his shots, more topspin, etc... what do you think?

    Then there was that match against... Ascuso? where he had 2 distinct Nadal like forehands with the follow through over his head. (there was a thread about this).

    I hope he doesn't win the french, but if he does it will be a shame that the shallow field of his no talent ass clown competitors will have walked him into the indisputable greatest player ever status.... like the parting of the red sea....with red carpet and fanfare.
     
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  33. IanRichardson

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    no talent ass clowns... a la office space perhaps :) ?
     
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  34. hyogen

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    ding ding ding ding ding ding :D :D :D
     
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    Unfortunately for Federer, he is operating in the same time as the potentially greatest clay court player of all time. As long as Nadal is in the draw, Federer will not win the French Open.

     
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  36. fastdunn

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    federer is unlucky to have nadal. he could have won it a few times by now.
     
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    its obvious it goes both ways though, i think nadal is even more unfortunate to have federer! but as we're concerned... we reap the benefits of epic matches!
     
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  38. stormholloway

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    Look with all these goons from Spain and Argentina playing if Federer wins the French he deserves every inch of it.

    Enough with this Nadal-like forehand nonsense. Federer has been hitting with an overhead finish on occasions for years.
     
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  39. fastdunn

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    that's right. it's just the subject of this thread is federer and french open.
     
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  40. Lionheart

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    Excuse me but how is it obvious that a guy who has been winning 2-3 slams a year, many consective semis and has just reached one while sick, won´t win another grand slam title?
    If you do the probabilities of it happening, they are low. I´m not it´s impossible, but it is common sense that a player who has demonstrated such regularity over the past 3-4 seasons (without any serious injury) will win another one at least.

    And I´m assuming that you know that a desease like mono even when someone who had it is cured, the fatigue lasts some more months, in a high competitive sport I would say that those effects would be maximized, Federer isn´t superman, you know?

    Resuming: Probability of Federer not winning another one - Low
    His bad form - due to the effects of the mono, IF not, mr. Tennis player is also allowed to play far from his best for a while, just like any other top pro don´t you think?


    Actually on-topic: I hope that if Federer gets to the finals and plays Nadal he won´t be stubborn and try to beat Rafa at his own game, it´s a fact that he can´t.
     
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  41. RacquetGoesBoom

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    4 years in a row or not, Nadal does play his best on clay. The only way he could lose this year is, like you said, someone gets hot and just topples Nadal.

    Besides that, I really see Nadal winning the French this year, and I'm not even a Nadal fan.
     
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    Fed's 26 years old. That's still really young if you think about it. Your muscles aren't even fully developed until you are 29ish.
     
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  43. TheTruth

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    I totally agree. The cracks were visible last year, but many didn't seeing it.
    His "aura" won him many matches he should have lost. I don't think the tour will be as generous this year and beyond!
     
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    indeeeeeed :D
     
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    aura schmura! If he gets his movement back he will destroy the field again. To do what he has done is amazing. The cracks were absolutely visible last year I agree. But they have to come sometime. No matter how serious you are it's impossible to train harder and harder as long as you are winning everything.
    The motivation just can't be there all the time.

    His tennis in the -06 us open was out of this world. I almost start laughing when I see his footwork in the blake-/roddick matches. After that he has lost a little for every month that has past. AO-07 was aweome to but after that he hasn't been the same.
    When he's healthy again and if he has the motivation he has all the possibilities to get back to that level and if he does he will win slams with or without the aura.
     
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    Fed is done and it isn't because of mono. It's because he is done. Some players decline quicker than others and Federer is that type of player.
     
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  47. matchmaker

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    I actually think that with the form he has shown this year Federer will stand even less of a chance to win RG. And I will make a bold statement: like John McEnroe and Sampras he will NEVER win the FO. It's just not his best playing surface. He has been lucky to get to the final twice. Edberg, Stich were other attacking players who got there but what happened? They lost.
     
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    There was a period where his tennis was awesome, but it really hasn't been for awhile. As far as his health, I don't believe the mono story, illness isn't something that takes a back seat. Mono would have put him down just like everybody else. What will be interesting is seeing how he responds to this new brigade in the coming years. It, to me is the most fascinating part of being a champion, how you handle the fluctuations!
     
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    not for a tennis player it's not. also, you can't build up your joints, and a tennis player's knees take a hell of a pounding. if you're a rugby forward you won't peak til 30-ish probably, but this ain't that kinda game, just gotta look at the ages most players win grand slams to see it.
     
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    Believe me, as much as you are a fan of RF and you seem to enjoy his game, I'm pretty sure his days of winning GS events are over. Folks point to Sampras going out on a high winning his last USO but one thing that folks/fans forget and that is RF doesnt have the serve that Sampras has. Its that serve that more than any other aspect of his game made him the champ that he was, RF as good as he is simply doesnt have that kind of velocity of the serve, in fact there maybe half a dozen guys out there with serves better than Feds but what those other big servers dont have is his accuracy.
    If he never ever wins another slam which i really suspect will be the case, it wont take away from what he's already acheived in the sport, the only glaring omission will be the French and last year was the best and last chance he had of walking away with that particular piece of silverware. So to all of his fans dont feel too downhearted you got to see one of the very best do his thing but as you all should know: 'all good things must come to an end' just ask Borg, Vilas, Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Edberg, Becker etc etc
     
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