federer as a clay courter

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  1. big ted

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    where do you rank federer on the list as one of the greatest claycourters of all time? he only won 1 french open, but he lost to nadal in the semis or finals 4 other times. if nadal wasnt there, he could have 5 french opens. would you rate him above kuerten, brugera, courier who have more titles? i might rate him at least the lendl/wilander range who have 3 each. what do you think?
     
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    He's number 3 right now behind Nole and Nadal.
     
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    how is nole ranked a better clay courter of all time than federer?
     
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    no way novak is better than fed.
     
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    Hahahahah Nole! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That mug that has 0 FO's and only 1 final? The same guy who got spanked by Olderer in 2011?
     
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    1. Nadal
    2. Borg
    3. Lendl
    4. Wilander
    5. Kuerten
    6. Villas
    7. Federer

    Open era only....
     
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  7. Gonzo_style

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    Read better next time. He said "right now"!
     
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    And the topic said "all time" so his post was stupid either way.
     
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  9. Mighty Matteo

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    imo, federer is a much better claycourter than lendl and wilander.
     
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  10. The Bawss

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    I know, Ferrer > Djokovic on clay. Ferrer just has a mental problem against Nadal.
     
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  11. Gonzo_style

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    Explain this please....
     
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    That's not a devastating scoreline.

    I agree that Kuerten is >> Federer, but Federer is in the top 10 IMO.
     
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  13. NadalAgassi

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    Somewhere from 8-15 all time. Most likely just outside the top 10 all time at 11th or 12th. Open Era alone I would rank him 6th behind Nadal, Borg, Lendl, Kuerten, Wilander in that order. There is no argument whatsoever for him being higher than 6th in the Open Era, but one could argue him being lower than Muster or Courier, and thus arguably lower than 6th.
     
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    You underestimate Nadal and Kuerten bro. He would give Courier as tough fight, even if he is less accompished. Muster is a lefty so I won't pick Federer over him.
     
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  15. NadalAgassi

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    This part alone is enough for some major LOLz.
     
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  16. dangalak

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    Lol Bleacher report.

    You their tennis writers are worse than their MMA writers.

    And that's quite a statement.
     
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  17. NadalAgassi

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    No I dont. I ranked them 1st and 4th in the Open Era on clay, and Nadal 1st all time. Cant go any higher.

    Of course I think that, why do you think I ranked Federer ahead with 1 less French Open title, since I think Courier would walk over him, LOL! Likewise Federer would in no way walk over prime Courier on clay as easily as the ****s on this forum think though. It would be a tough battle, although I will say Courier at the 92 French was better than any tournament Federer played on clay IMO.

    95-96 Muster would beat Federer on clay more often than not. Prime Federer would beat Muster of any other year quite easily though.
     
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  18. dangalak

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    I am intoxicated a little and misread your post. :)
     
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  19. Prisoner of Birth

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    Top 15, definitely, top 10, probably. Never really gave it too much thought, though.
     
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    i'm actually writing a piece where i'm using bleacher report as an example of publications not doing tennis writing justice. lawl
     
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    Third tier clay talent.. Behind Guga, Lendl, Borg, Nadal, Vilas. Rosewall, Wilander and probably a few others.

    I got Fed in the Bruguera, Courier, Muster territory.. That might even be generous. Muster at his peak was WAY better then Fed on clay at his peak. Courier was probably just as good as fed on clay at his peak.. So was Bruguera
     
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    Top 10(lower end like 9 or 10) for sure.

    Would be Number 1 if it weren't for that meddiling Spannish Bulldog Nadal.
     
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    Cry me a river :)
     
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    No. Either you didn't watch tennis in the 90s and are just regurgitating crap you heard some old people with rose-tinted glasses say or you just don't have the ability to recognise Fed is a superior talent to Courier, even on the red stuff. What did Courier have that could have hurt Fed? An ok forehand. That's it. He doesn't possess the same weapons as Nadal (leftie serve, big leftie crosscourt topspin forehand, incredible defence). If they had met on clay it would have been 4 sets a la Fed Djokovic 2011 all day, every day.
     
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  25. smoledman

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    Federer should be the highest ranked 1-time FO winner.
     
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    You're forgetting the main point. If Federer only wanted to be a clay warrior, he would have posted much better results. But he wanted to be great in the 2nd half of the season too.
     
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    That goes without saying. He ranks above most 2- time winners, too.
     
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  28. smoledman

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    No way. 10 chars
     
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    1-Nadal
    2-Borg
    3-Kuerten
    4-Lendl
    5-Vilas
    6-Federer
    7-Wilander
    8-Muster
    9-Courier
    10-Don't know....

    Aren't Federer's 5 straight RG SF a record in the open era? And if it wasn't for Nadal he would have like 5 RG.
     
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    If we are talking 2003-2008 among players of his generation, he could easily make top 20.
     
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    Did you see most of the draws he had to get to those finals?? :shock:
     
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    He lacks the perception of clay - the kind of man who whiffs forehands at match point in a final in Madrid.
     
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    Do you even know what "whiffing" means? :lol:
     
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  34. dangalak

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    1999. :lol:
     
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    Speaking of beatdowns, do you remember when Roddick shoved a bagel down Rafito's throat at the US Open? Of course you don't, you haven't been watching tennis for that long. :)
     
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    he served a 140 mile an hour ace to Rafa's face in that match
     
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    Youzhny beat Nadal 6-0,6-1, in 2008. :lol:
     
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    In Chennai right??
     
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    Do I need to post videos of Nadal falling on his behind in the clay or hitting a serve into the ground before the net?
     
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    How would that help dangalak explain to me the term "whiffing"?
     
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  42. NadalDramaQueen

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    I don't speak for dangalak personally. Just wondering if you need some videos of Rafa looking like an buffoon on his best surface. Just let me know.
     
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  43. SoBad

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    All we are doing here now is trying to help dangalak, can't you see that?
     
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  44. Crisstti

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    Lol, no, he didn't.
     
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    Who is we?

    No, he didn't. He hit it in Rafa's general direction and Rafa deflected it into his own face (or close enough to be pretty funny).
     
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  46. SoBad

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    The tennis forum community, you fresh green troll.
     
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  47. NadalDramaQueen

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    Ah, I thought you were suggesting that you were part of the NSK army.

    I am blue now, by the way. :cool:
     
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  48. SoBad

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    You mean one of those Gen. Kaishek's KMT units?:-|
     
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  49. Crisstti

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    Yep. I think it did actually hit him.

    Wouldn't have counted as an ace either ;)
     
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    I think so as well, but it wasn't such a big deal. By the way, I apologize for being harsh about Rafa, TDK is just getting a bit annoying. I will cut it out.
     
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