Federer at 25 FAR superior than Murray now

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  1. McEnborg

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    This Federer criticism is a freaking joke. The guy is HANDS DOWN the greatest player ever. Joko or Nadal might be able to catch him, but they need a lot more wins and longevity.

    Federer has lost at least 1/2 or 1 full step and yet, he's still one of the top 4 players in the world.

    Does anyone honestly think Joko, Rafa or Murray will be as good at age 31 as Roger is now?? If you do, you're delusional.

    Federer in his prime from 2006 beats Murray, Joko and Rafa on hard court 90% of the time. The fact that Roger still gets to GS semis or finals and won Wimbledon last year is amazing. Look at his record, consistency, longevity, and all the indicators--he's the greatest ever. There is NO DEBATE --maybe in 3 or 4 years if Novak and/or Rafa win more slams and titles...BUT NOT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I have no idea what message you are trying to convey, other than you are easily wound up by the trolls on this board.
     
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    The butthurt is strong with this one.
     
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    And.......
     
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  5. Sabratha

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    Yes, what's your point? Not every player is a Federer, they only come around every decade or so.
     
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    The way Novak is running around the court these days, I don't give him much time before he's sitting next to Nadal in the rehab center taking his injections in his knees. :lol:
     
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    Roger lost. Get over it.
     
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  8. Sabratha

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    And Murray could be great at 31, he is slowly getting better with age and his game is reaching a new level every year or so. He truly is taking his game on like Lendl did in the second half of his career.
     
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  9. Sreeram

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    If Ferrer is able to play great tennis after 28 now 31, why not Andy? Andy has better fitness than Federer at 25. Any one will agree it. we have to still appreciate Fed for being close to injury free with the amount of tennis he pays. I don't find any reason for Andy or Dkjo to decline in next 5 years. But I seriously want a talented new generation to come that will Challenge them.

    Also Fed at 25 did not have the challenge that Andy and Djko have today. Who knows who is going to raise their game in next 2 years?
     
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    Raonic and Tomic defs! :cool:
     
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    This person won't.
     
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  12. sureshs

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    Fed is playing the best he ever has, and still loses. Tennis has improved. Just deal with it.
     
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    Murray won the match. End of discussion.
     
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    Haha, we should have a "Troll-meter", where people could give points (like +1) to users, when they make great troll threads or comments. Sureshs, you would be my favorite troll. The GTOAT! :)
     
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  15. pjonesy

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    Yeah! Plus, It's not like the 25 yr old Federer will EVER play the 25 yr old Murray!!! Unless the OP has invented a time machine and can convince Fed or Murray to time travel.
     
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    For me, 24-25 y.o. Federer was better than Nadal, Djokovic and Murray.

    But for many people is just the opposite. You now, how they say, "the game is always improving".

    Even Agassi thinks Djokovic's and Nadal's peak levels (and Murray's peak level too) are higher than Federer's peak level.

    And the nº1 player in 2016 would defeat 6-0 6-0 6-0 peak Federer (or peak Nadal or peak Djokovic).

    This is what they want to sell and many people agree with them (amazing).
     
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  17. dudeski

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    2007 Federer won AO in straight sets. So yes he was better than same age 2013 Djokovic and Murray.
     
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    yes..the needle on the butthurtometer is straining at the upper limits. :neutral:
     
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  19. dudeski

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    I wonder if 31 year old Murray and Djokovic will get to 2019 AO semi.
     
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    It's very difficult to call whether or not a player at one time is better than another player at another time. For the most part it's impossible to do so. But Murray is an amazing player, especially now that he's playing better than ever, and I don't know that Federer was ever that much better than Murray is now. Federer has never dominated this blue Australian Open surface, and I would argue that even though he won the 2010 event, Murray, Djokovic, and Nadal have all been better on this surface. Federer dominated on a different court at a different time, and although his greatness is undisputed, he had to beat Marcos Baghdatis and Fernando Gonzalez for two of his titles. I mean, there hasn't been easier opposition in a major final in the past five years, and Federer has been much less successful.
     
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  21. Gonzo_style

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    cool story bro
     
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    The way things are, yes.
     
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  23. Sreeram

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    Federer definitely played a weaker batch of players in his prime. He was lucky to get to his prime in that era when players were not both talented and fit as today's Dkjo and Murray. None of the payers he played to win in GS titles who are still playing are in top 10 (exculding Murray and Djko). Those whom he beat in current top 4, Murray and Djko especially are playing at a totally different level now. They are no longer babies like when he beat them.

    Rodick, Hewitt, Bahgdathis who were playing with current batch of players cannot even make to top 10. If it happens with one player it is fine but none of them can be in top 10 then it means they were not playing the current level of today's top 4.

    Having said all this, I am not a Federer hater, he deserves the credit for his success. But we have to agree that Fed at 25 in today's draw will not have the same success. May be 40% of what he had at that time only he can have if he was 25 in this era.
     
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  24. jokinla

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    Yep, the hallmark of a pusher's game, great fitness.
     
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  25. NadalDramaQueen

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    This is pretty obvious OP. Troll posts on TW will never change tennis history, so let them have their fun. Unless Murray annihilates all of Fed's records, he will only be an afterthought given enough time. :lol:
     
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    Whatever. Last time I checked, he never won the Grand Slam, so he's no greatest player. Joko or Nadal might be able to catch him, but they need a lot more wins and longevity.


    Stop being so defensive.


    This is 2013. What's Federer doing right now?
     
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  27. kishnabe

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    Fernando was playing too good for anyone but Roger. The assault he put on Haas was mind blowing.

    Baghdatis was easy though...almost was 2 set to love against Federer.
     
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  28. NadalDramaQueen

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    I think there is more to being the GOAT then picking up a grand slam. If someone comes along and wins four majors total, but they all happen to be in the same year, I don't think I'm going to put him above people who have reached double digits. If you would, then good for you.

    The OP is only remembering better days. Murray's and Djoker's wins certainly count, but they don't change or take away what Federer has already been able to accomplish. Even if you will never admit that he is the best, you must certainly think he is at least very good, no? :)
     
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  29. Sreeram

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    we have to agree that the game is changing and people are getting fitter and fitter. Murray and Dkjo have warrior like body that can withstand hours of tennis. Federer is really doing good job by staying at top with them with less than half the fitness as these guys (in terms of atheletism). It is because of his talent he is still in top 4 not by fitness. I am sure with the kind of training and disciple that Murray and Dkjo have, they will play even close to 35.
     
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    Fedards need to move on and accept reality. 8)
     
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    We'll see. :)

    TheF1Bob can't handle the truth. :cool:
     
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    A second tier response from a fan of a second tier player. :cool:
     
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    Not everyone can be the best. Simple stuff. :lol:

    Let us at least hope for a calm Sunday down under. :cool:
     
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    All OPs should include this into their posts in order to scare Clarky out of their threads.
     
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    LOL you want something to scare Clarky with, this will be it.

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    That doesn't matter. They weren't champions, and they never reached a major final before or after the Australian Open final. They weren't players of consistent quality like Djokovic, Murray, or Nadal and more importantly, they weren't as fierce of competitors. Please. I love Roger, but it is what it is. A physically fit and fresh, in-onimous-form Federer couldn't even beat a less than 100% Nadal on this court in 2009, when Federer was playing better tennis than he is now. Marcos Baghdatis, no matter how well he's playing, is always a better draw than Murray, Djokovic, or Nadal.
     
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  40. zagor

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    Certainly not, he was on the brink of losing in the 4th round and made a career highest # of doublefaults in any slam tourney, he was in good form but "in-onimous" it was not (that would be something like 2005 or 2007 AO)..

    Regarding Nadal being less than 100%, considering that that's the only time the guy actually won AO, that's a ridiculous statement.

    BTW. If Gonzo is so weak, how come he managed to blast mighty GOAT Nadal off court in his AO run?
     
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    I've said he's one of the best, but he's not the greatest. The OP is so pissed off that his hero is being passed by his rivals--but a simple look at tennis history shows every generation of men faced the same issue. The difference here is that I do not recall fans of older generations being so hostile to other players' fans and/or defensive about a player being...outplayed, or passed by.
     
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    Sounds reasonable. I don't mind too much, I actually enjoy watching Fed try and keep up with Djoker and Murray. He isn't doing the best job, but he has shown a lot of fight and is still able to make it happen on a good day.

    For me, the passing of the torch to the next generation has always felt like a bad birthday. Half a decade or more closer to death, and all that. :)
     
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    Roger is no longer as quick or explosive as he was at age 24 or 26. If he was, he would still beat these guys.

    The greatest ever is not a matter of personal opinion. It's a matter of FACTS. 17 grand slams, 80 titles, 7 GS finals, 35 consecutive GS with a quarterfinal or better. Multiple Masters victories.

    Final proof??? Guess who both Sampras and McEnroe consider the best ever????? That would be Roger.

    Final proof
     
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    Agassi doesn't think that. Stop making up things.
     
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    When did Agassi said a player in 2016 would beat peak Federer 6-0 6-0 6-0 ??
     
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    No Grand Slam. No GOAT.
     
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    Why does it matter so much to some of Fed's fans to constantly fight for his right to be the greatest ever, and any defeat was a fluke, or somehow not fair as it's not a level playing field especially now he's reached the grand old age of 31.

    He's had an amazing career, and will continue to have runs in tournaments that most current top 10 players would be happy with for a while longer. Enjoy that, and CALM DOWN!

    Insisting that Fed is the BEST EVER, in every single thread, along with insisting he's the most gentlemanly, kindest, graceful, classy player to walk the earth, just makes it more attractive to poke fun at him. :D
     
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    Honestly, it is probably just a reaction to all the vultures who can't wait to feast on Fed's flesh after every loss. Perhaps the *******s started it, but both sides are part of the problem.
     
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  49. THE FIGHTER

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    federer at 25 was better than (nearly)everyone! which speaks volumes about nadal's greatness since he had a winning h2h at the time.
     
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    Calendar-year Grand Slam indicates incredible level within 12 months only. Federer is GOAT because of his entire career, not because there was a particular calendar year when he would win 3 grass and 1 clay tournament doing S&V.
     
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