Federer at Roland Garros

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  1. ART ART

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    Just got it from the official stringing/measurement official machines here in Paris:
    Weight 374grams, balance: 31,3cm
    Strung with Wilson Gut mains @ 22kg(Average); AluPower crosses @ 20Kg(Average).
    Someone from Wilson or Fed's team, I don't know, was here this morning to strung 16 rackets, in a range from 20kilos to 25kilos mains. The crosses ware always 2 kilos below.
    All rackets with Wilson overgrip, and elasto-crosses and oil protection in the strings.
    I can't see if the leather grip was Wilson leather or other.
    By the way... Tony was here with the other guy, and I must say that he his a great great guy. Very nice with all of us, and very positive.
    In a conversation with us, he told us that many pros, and coaches consult this forum and post many things here.
    About the nCode of Roger, when I ask him about the composition of the rackett, he told me:" ... this his a copy of the legendary ProStaff 85 but with a larger head size, nothing else, because Roger plays with that racket since he was 15 or 16 years old, but because of clay courts 4 or 5 years ago, Roger have asked Wilson to make the same racket but with a bigger head size."
    But the other fellow that was with him, didn't like the conversation, so I must assume that this other guy was from Wilson or so.
    Nothing else or nothing more than this.
     
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  2. oscar_2424

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    very interesting, thanks for sharing
     
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  3. slice bh compliment

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    Merci bien.

    So 374g, that is what 13.2 ounces?
    Balance 31.3 cm. Fairly HL, huh?
     
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  4. bluedecember

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    thanks...what guage strings is he using?
     
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  5. ART ART

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    I don't know for sure, because the gut and the alu power came in Red/black plastic bags labeled "Wilson Prime" with 6 meters long each, with no reference about the guage, but I suppose 1.30mm for the gut and the alu is the regular 1.25mm, I suppose that was alu power, all other workers here say it is.
    Notice this is the second time that I check Roger rackets, last time his rackets ware slightly with less weight, around 365 to 369 if I recall. But that time I didn't check them on the measurement machine, just saw it labelled in Roger's Wilson bags.
    Let me say to you that swinging with this racket, is very easy since is very headlight despite the weight. The grip was labeled on the but cap nº3 and that seems correct.
     
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  6. slice bh compliment

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    ArtArt, are you the guy from the Tecnifibre team? Arthur?
     
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  7. ART ART

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    Sorry mate, but if my boss knows my really name...
    by the way, have you been here today? talk with someone here?
     
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  8. slice bh compliment

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    Understood. Say no more.
     
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  9. ART ART

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    No problem, just tell me if you ware here today?
     
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  10. slice bh compliment

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    No, was there with some players a few years ago. Thought I remembered you.
     
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  11. BreakPoint

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    Thanks for posting ART ART! Very interesting.

    BTW, when you refer to "Tony" are you referring to Tony Roche or Toni Nadal? I assume by "the other guy", you mean Nadal?

    Also, whom did you ask about the composition of Federer's nCode? Roger himself or Tony Roche? I'd like to know who admitted that his racquet is nothing but a slightly bigger PS 6.0 85.

    Thanks.
     
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  12. ps 6.0

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    Awesome. Thank you very much.
     
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  13. theace21

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    Nice information - Thanks...
     
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  14. THE ANIMAL

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    Whats interesting is he has gone up in weight maybe hes been doing this just for the Clay or Roche has been influencing him to go heavier and more head light.
     
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    it's known players on clay weigh up their rackets so they have more mass to hit a heavier ball, i remember muster did that too.
     
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  16. ART ART

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    BreakPoint: Tony Roche, not Tony Nadal. The "old legend" is a very very nice guy, it was he that told us about Roger's racket, the other guy I don't know him, so I supose the other guy his from Wilson or so.
     
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  17. BreakPoint

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    Thanks ART ART!! :D

    That's what I assumed but just wanted to confirm with you.

    BTW, did Tony Roche mention any names when he said that many pros and coaches consult and post here on the TW message board?
     
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    BreakPoint: he didn't say any names, we ware talking about rackects and strings, when he mention the tenniswarehouse forum group. Saying that many pros use it to get some feedback about strings/rackets and all the brands visit the forum to see how the marketing goes...
     
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  19. BreakPoint

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    Thanks! Very interesting indeed.

    Maybe we have more influence on what the pros use than vise versa? ;) LOL.

    And I guess we have more power than we thought in determining what racquets the manufacturers decide to make and market. I do hope they all indeed read these forums on a regular basis. The power of TW and its TT message board grows! :D
     
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  20. BreakPoint

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    Definitive proof that Federer uses a PS 6.0 90

    For those of you that may not have read this other thread, here's proof that Federer uses nothing but a paintjobbed PS 6.0 90 Original, as I and many others here have suspected all along.

    Here: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=104111

    Federer's coach, Tony Roche, admitted that Federer plays with "a copy of the legendary ProStaff 85 but with a larger head size, nothing else, because Roger plays with that racket since he was 15 or 16 years old, but because of clay courts 4 or 5 years ago, Roger have asked Wilson to make the same racket but with a bigger head size."

    Well, mystery solved and hopefully this will end the hundreds of threads started each week speculating on what racquet Federer is really using.

    Now if only Wilson would wise up and sell the PS 6.0 90 to the general public. This is the racquet that many of us really want. Are you listening, Wilson? ;)
     
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  21. Chosen One

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    Where did the Roche say this? Nice try!
     
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  22. Eiffel59

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    Chosen..lots of people here not only "get in" with the stringers at ATP tournaments...but "ARE" the stringers at these...
     
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    BTW, Thanks to ART ART for providing the information and for asking coach Roche the "right" questions. :D

    As he said, I'm sure the Wilson rep with him wasn't too happy about Roche revealing the truth about Federer's racquet. :eek:

    From the way that Federer's hits the ball and the amazing touch and feel he has for the ball, I've always suspected that there's no nCode nor HyperCarbon in his racquet, which mutes the feel and stiffens the racquet (robbing it of some feel), respectively. :(
     
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  24. Marius_Hancu

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    OK, I'm fine:)

    My lightest 6.0 85 is 370grams, balance 31.6cm (lead at 3 and 9 o'clock).

    Thanks for the info.
     
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    Wow Federer's main tension's about 55lbs then if not less?
     
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  26. LowProfile

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    I still think that Federer uses a mix of the PS 6.0 and the Tour 90 (88 sq inch head, the works). But of course there would be no nCode or Hyper Carbon in his racquet. We all know that he uses a paintjob. There is just no agreement upon what is underneath the paint.
     
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  27. ART ART

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    Well... it seems that somethimes people get confused with all info posted here.
    The main reason I have posted the specs of Roger's racket is because I have access to it, and I love the style of play in Roger's game. So I wouldn't expect that you validate this info, just to read it and know the truth about this racket.
    Although many would think right about it, some don't.
    I am making an enforcement to go to London this week and try to reach some of my stringers/friends to let me go inside Wimbledon working with them. This isn't a good time to do it since all stringers all aready fitched to work there, but we never know.
    If I could simply get the info of Roger's racket that tournment, I will post it here again, and maybe I could talk with him, since in Wimbledon there's a large room where all workers and players can talk and get in touch.

    I wonder if anyone around here is about to go to England and see the open? If so we can get around there and I will try to show you the backstages of the Open, concerning the stringing and other stuff we do in the tournments.
    Cheers
     
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  28. ta11geese3

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    Whoa that's pretty heavy...
     
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  29. thomas martinez

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    Actually Art Art, I'm going to say your'e wrong here. Roger's frames are not strung on site unless the service(Priority 1) string for him on site which isn't common. As far as I know, the two people who would have been, weren't doing that, they'd have done it off site. As for a personf rom Wilson bringing his frame to the stringing room, again, I'm skeptical. The twoguys from P1, pretty much give him enough frames to last an entire match when he goes out there. If someone would be on site, it would be one of those two guys, not someone from Wilson with one of Roger's frames. Sorry, but chances are, your info is wrong.
     
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  30. BreakPoint

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    No, it's 48 lbs. 22kg is about 48lbs.
     
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  31. jackcrawford

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    I wouldn't rely on that hearsay quote - that poster unlike Thomas Martinez or Michael Ludwig has no track record. The giveaway is the ridiculous self-congragulatory conspiratorial thought that movers and shakers visit these boards. 1,000 people online here maybe max? No way big shots waste their time here. You think Nadal checks the technique tips out, too - lol.
     
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  32. BreakPoint

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    FYI, there are currently over 13,000 members of this message board. Typically, there are 5 times as many visitors or "non-members" reading these boards as there are members doing so. So, theoretically, there could be as many as 78,000 people who read these boards with varying degrees of frequency.

    I certainly wouldn't doubt there are some pros, coaches, stringers, and racquet company execs that read these boards now and then. In fact, we all know that the founder and CEO of Vantage Tennis used to be a regular poster here.
     
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  33. Custom+Hybrid

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    Nice job BreakPoint

    Now the mystery is solved (although I assumed this all along)
     
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    Bp, I want to believe this very much, but it seems made up! It's just too convenient! Even tiny details like Roche calling the racquet "legendary" don't seem true.

    Has Greg Raven hit with that racquet yet? I'll believe him.
     
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    Just increasing the head size of the PS 85 to 88 or 90 would pretty much make it the most sought after racquet right now, but that’s too subtle for Wilson or any other racquet company by today’s standards. You need hyper carbon, ncode, flexpoint, cortex and whatever the hell crap gimmick space age junk they decide to come up with. So you get a classic with new age frills, not exactly! Wilson knows that the NSix_one tour will sell no matter what is in it because Fed uses it, so why not stuff a bunch of crap in it to make it more exclusive to Wilson, so when all these young kids get a hold of it and use this stick for years to come they won't know the diff. It's a shame they keep changing racquets, but I guess that’s the name of the game. And if your number one player doesn't play with your n-code or hyper carbon, the guts that pretty much define your racquet line up, then what good is the stuff? Well what I think it is good for is making a softer friendlier Six-One that more players out there can play with. And allot of people demo this racquet just because of ol' Fed. And isn't that Wilson’s goal, sell racquets. Pros get what they want and we get whatever they think we should use. Wilson will never sell the real Federer racquet because according to them we all need to be using ncode and hyper carbon even if we don't want too. I am just glad I have enough PS 6.0 85's to last me for a while. A racquet made in a different time with a different agenda.

    -geese
     
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  36. Custom+Hybrid

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    Amen.
     
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  37. bcaz

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    The racquet Roger has been using, for the last few years at least, has 19 crosses -- this does not make it a customized version of the 16x18 6.0 85. He appears to be using some version of the Tour/NCode 90, painted, weighted, whatever, but it's a 16x19 frame with what looks to be about a 90" head. Why is this so hard to accept?
     
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  38. BreakPoint

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    It's a customized PS 6.0 90 with a 16x19 string pattern. Basically it's the same mold as the nCode 90/Tour 90 but they just leave out the HyperCarbon and the nCoded material and leave it as 80% braided graphite and 20% kevlar, just like the PS 6.0 85/95 are. Why is this so hard to accept?
     
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    Eurosport said just before the match that Fed was stringing at 48lbs and Nadal at 55lbs-both a little tighter to counter the hot conditions!!!
     
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  40. DoubleHanded&LovinIt

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    Why does it matter so much to you, BreakPoint?
     
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    I bet Wilson is planning on making a " Roger Federer Signature " right now...
     
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    Very cool! Now if we could only get some exact information on the other mystery racquet, Agassi's.
     
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  43. BreakPoint

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    It doesn't, that's why I'm so tired of seeing a hundred threads pop up every week speculating on what racquet Federer is really using. I want the truth to be revealed so that people would stop asking once and for all.

    BTW, I also want Wilson to make the PS 6.0 90 available to the public. I couldn't care less if Federer used it or not, but having used the PS 6.0 85, the PS 6.0 95, and the nCode 90, I know that the PS 6.0 90 is the racquet that I really want. Federer can go and switch to a n3 for all I care, but I want the PS 6.0 90.
     
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    Aaaaaa, aaaaa, men!

    -Robert
     
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  46. Custom+Hybrid

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    Thats a little outdated buddy.
     
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  47. Custom+Hybrid

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    Isn't the PS Tour 90 pretty much the same as Roger's racquet but with 10% Hyper Carbon? WHy dont you play that?
     
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    ha ha, because it it totally different, read not as good ;)
     
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    thomas martinez: in 2 weeks the only time we have access to his rackets was on the morning final, don't know why but we don't ask.
    So the other guy that was with Roche is from priority one? ...not very kindly...
     
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    Roche is no gearhead - he used an aluminum Yonex for years into the graphite era. He now uses a Volkl Catapult 7; he wouldn't know what a PS 6.0 was if it fell in front of him nor would he refer to a racquet as legendary - if the guy was going to invent dialogue, he should have done a little better.
     
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