Federer at Roland Garros

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  1. Custom+Hybrid

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    How would you know that? Have you played Roger's frames? And I am also having doubts of this proof that ART ART gave us.
     
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  2. Custom+Hybrid

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    ****'s top dude said he has a custum built frame and we are supposing that it plays like the POG OS.
     
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  3. Custom+Hybrid

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    ART ART if what you say is true you have just proved what we thought all along.






    Now only if more people knew..
     
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  4. ty slothrop

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    thought P1 had to figure somewhere in the process...
     
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  5. Didn't you also write that you checked out Fed's frames at the Aussie this year? You're a Fed racket globe-trotting groupie! Just kidding, dude . . . ;)

    Grip is probably still Wilson leather, as Nate Ferguson, Ron Yu, or whoever you were with might have said if you had asked.
     
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  6. thomas martinez

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    Sorry ARt, but I know people who work for Roger, and yes, he confirmed what I said in an e-mail to me this morning. All your info is wrong.
     
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  7. Robbie_1988

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    "What racket does Federer really use? What is the true composition of his racket?"

    Debate Round 936 *Ding Ding*

    We'll never see the end of this debate.
     
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  8. kreative

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    so according to the link, Roche claims that Roger uses the 6.0 85 customized to just a bigger head size (90"). He didn't mention the extra crosses thou (19 instead of 18), and how it's more dense in the center of the stringbed.

    bp, why would it be so difficult to accept that federer uses a custom mold that could contain hyper carbon or nanotech? after all, it is the man who makes the racquet, not vice versa. again, you could speculate that the 6.0 90 would be exactly what you wanted, but it's difficult to know until you actually hit with one. maybe someday, wilson will actually come through.
     
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  9. exruda

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    Would someone who is in Paris say at 4:14 AM on the night of Sunday/Monday "this morning" referring to what had allegedly happened 20h before that time? Maybe he would, but I know I wouldn't :)
    You post in strange hours for someone who works in Europe, ART
     
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  10. jamauss

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    haha, that's exactly what I was thinking. Like Tony Roche would throw the word "legendary" in there like that. I think maybe the OP is full of it. I don't see any reason why Roche would have been following racquets at all since he left the game, what...30+ years ago?
     
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  11. oldguysrule

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    The racquets with hypercarbon and/or nano-technology "feel" different. That is the basis for the suspicion that Federer uses just the graphite/kevlar mixture. It would be like switching racquets and it seems as if most top pros are loath to switch.

    I am much more intrigued with the idea that Fed is stringing as low as 48 lbs. I have been working my tension down over the last few months and seem to be enjoying each succesive drop in tension.
     
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  12. BreakPoint

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    That 10% HyperCarbon is enough to take away a lot of the sweet, soft feel of the PS 6.0 and makes it too stiff. The Tour 90 also has a strange weight distribution which makes it not feel as smooth as the PS 6.0. The Tour 90 is also much harder to get around than the PS 6.0 and just feels heavier. :(
     
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  13. BreakPoint

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    I don't know Roche personally so I don't know if he would use the word "legendary" or not? Do you know him personally?

    Besides, that was not an exact quote that ART ART provided but paraphrased. I don't think he transcribed the conversation from a tape recording of it. He may have inserted the word "legendary" himself because that's how he likes to describe the PS 6.0 85 as I'm sure he doesn't get to string many of them for the pros anymore these days.
     
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  14. D-Bomb

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    BP, this whole thing seems to make sense, so my only question is of Greg Raven's info: does this finding prove or disprove Greg's measurements?
     
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  15. BreakPoint

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    Hard to say. Greg has not played with Federer's racquet and compared it to a stock PS 6.0 85 and the retail nCode 90 to see how similar or different they feel (I think he mentioned something about the grip being too small?). He also hasn't cut up Federer's racquet and done a microscopic physical nor chemical analysis to see if it does indeed contain any HyperCarbon or nCode.

    I do wish he would hit with the three racquets and report back any similarities and differences in feel, though.
     
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  16. ART ART

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    thomas martinez: just transcribe what they have said, inform us about the specs of Roger's racket and in the end ask them and tell us why Tony and other guy was here on the morning final.
    Maybe the priority one or whatever, don't tell you that they ware here, just because obvious comercial reasons...

    In the end, I must say to you all one thing: Believe in what you want to believe, I will not post here more info about Roger's Racket or other players.

    If thomas martinez knows so much, I wonder why he don't tell us the truth about players rackets.
    For the others I must say that I enjoy being here trying to make things more clear to you, but enough is enough.
     
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  17. ta11geese3

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    Look at ART ART's previous posts... he says that fed's racquet is a pj; in another topic he says it isn't...
     
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  18. damasta55

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    So long.... Good riddance.

     
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  19. thomas martinez

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    Art, he wasn't on site stringing, that is number one. As for why don't I post up his e-mail, well, confidential reasons, he is a friend and I like to keep him as a friend. I don't want him being bombarded by e-mails from others asking this or that question. He is also someone who I work in the industry with, and I value his opinion and help when I might need it.
     
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  20. c_zimma

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    I agree with ART, if you're going to make a statement, back it up. You don't need to post his email. But it's up to you. It's your info. We just really want to hear it. Either way, thanks ART for posting this info.
     
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  21. c_zimma

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    For those of you that think Fed uses n-Code technology, I highly doubt that. It may look the same, have the same head size, w/e. But it's not about that. It's about feel. Do you really think someone of his level would want to take a chance by switching frames. I guess he "could" use a nCode. It would be customized to his liking: no nCode Technology, 88 sq. inches, beefed up, preferred string pattern. Kind of sounds like a Custom ProStaff 6.0 to me.
     
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  22. geesechops

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    exactly my point, why would fed want hyper carbon or ncode? He doesn't. That is why he played with the ps 85 for all those years. But, once he started winning all of a sudden Wilson has him using the latest and greatest tech they have to offer. They didn't care about what he used back in 1998 - 2000, he did. And he still does. Like BP and many others I want the ps 6.0 90 too. But, I don't think Wilson or any other manufacture are going to take a "subjective" step backwards as far as new tech advertising. Your flagship racquet has to have your flagship tech in it. And for people who think were all obsessed with fed's racquet; it's not that we want what fed uses, we want a pure racquet made for players not a pretty paint job with a bunch of gimmicks. I'm not buying a cell phone here people!!!!
     
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  23. D-Bomb

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    I get the whole part about the actual technology, but then I just wanna make sure I understand the measurements part. So all Greg's measurements are right, but the technology in the racquet is the graphite/kevlar? That makes sense. Of course, since the measurements of Fed's racquet are almost exactly the same as a stock nCode tour, couldn't you also say that his racquet is a nCode tour with out the nCode technology? I guess a ProStaff 6.0 90 makes more sense. Do I have all this right, BP?

    One more observation, is this all a recent change for Federer, or has he had this one the whole time? If he has had this custom one the whole time, I guess that would mean that the nCode tour is modeled after his racquet, considering all the measurements. Of course, the racquet is much different that Federer's, what with the difference in technology.
     
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  24. knasty131

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    well technically there is no PS 6.0 90...he cant be using a racket not ever made...he just has a custom racket that has a 90 sq in head with playing similarities of the PS 85
     
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  25. BreakPoint

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    Yes, basically what I believe Federer is using is a nCode 90/Tour 90 but without the nCoded materials nor the HyperCarbon added in. So Wilson designed a 90 mold for both Federer/Sampras and for the public. The same mold is used. So just for the public, they throw in the nCoded material and the HyperCarbon but for Federer, they leave it out, and use the same composition/layup as the PS 6.0 which is 80% braided graphite and 20% kevlar.
     
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  26. knasty131

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    have you seen the pictures where the crosses are spaced differently??? maybe its the same mold, just drilled differently...i may be mistaken
     
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  27. DoubleHanded&LovinIt

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    Conflicting info?:
    If you skim through this guy's other posts you will see he has zero credibility. He goes around asking others for pro setups. Anyone who is taking this guy at his word, or is at the very least curious, check your source. This guy has NO CREDIBILITY!

    BreakPoint, you picked a real winner this time!
     
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  28. DoubleHanded&LovinIt

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    So this guy is in the know?:
     
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  29. d_frank

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    I dont understand why you clowns still care about this..
    If you had the same racquet, you wouldnt be as good as him, so theres really no point in debating and defending your points.
     
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  30. BreakPoint

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    Yes, same mold. They just specially drill the stringholes for Federer.
     
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  31. BreakPoint

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    The point has nothing to do with wanting to play like Federer. We just want Wilson to reveal the truth and to put Federer's racquet out on the market, not so that we will play like Federer if we used it, but because it's a better racquet than what they currently have out on the market.
     
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  32. BreakPoint

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    I do believe ART ART is telling the truth. Federer changes his specs depending on the surface and the conditions.

    BTW, Federer did change his racquet 3 years ago (from the time of his post), from an 85 (and paintjobs) to a 90.
     
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  33. knasty131

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    Breakpoint, what about the pictures where the paint is even different (the white part at 3 and 9)??? it seemed to me one racket had white under the bumper guard...while one didnt...
     
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  34. BreakPoint

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    I would assume that since Wilson is custom drilling the holes that they're likely custom painting the frame as well. BTW, the grommet/bumper also have to be different due to the different stringhole spacing.
     
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    Would Wilson do all of that for the #1 player in the world? I'm guessing they would. It's a lot of expensive, custom work though. If Wilson is doing it, then kudos to them. :)

    I would so love to hear from Wilson's custom room people....:) But, I guess that would destroy an entire marketing campaign built on little white lies?

    -Robert
     
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  36. djones

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    To me Federer's racquet still looks smaller than the Tour 90.
    So either the Tour 90 is bigger than 90 Square inches, which could be the case, since it's also slightly bigger than the Prestige Classic mid.

    Of Federer's racquet is actually slightly smaller than 90 Square inches.
     
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  37. psp2

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    ...according to whom? you? "better" is very subjective as you can see in this tiresome thread.
     
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  38. DoubleHanded&LovinIt

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    There is no proof that Federer uses a Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 90. None. Whatsoever. ART ART is not a credible source. Only the desperate want to believe ART ART is telling the truth as this would allow for them to say that their beliefs have been confirmed all along (BreakPoint).
     
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  39. Keifers

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    According to a number of members here who have played with and enjoyed the 6.0 85 and 95.

    Yes, "better" is very subjective. Got anything new to say?

    Have you played with the 6.0 racquets?
     
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  40. psp2

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    yes. i have a SV strung with VS gut. but i find that many of my other racquets are "better" in certain aspects.

    again, who's to dictate what's "better" and what's "best".
     
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  41. BreakPoint

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    I don't know anyone that has said they like the stiff/numb feel of HyperCarbon or the muted feel of nCode. Just about everyone agrees that the 80% graphite/20% kevlar of the PS 6.0 feels better.

    And, yes, "better" is subjective. I didn't say that everyone wants a PS 6.0 90. I said that I want a PS 6.0 90. I guess Federer and I must think alike. ;)
     
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  42. BreakPoint

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    But have you played with a PS 6.0 90?

    How about a Tour 90 and a nCode 90?
     
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  43. jura

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    I just received a mail from the product manager of Tecnifibre, who organized the official stringing service at Roland Garros: "We did not string Federer racquets!" Those were his words!
     
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  44. BreakPoint

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    ART ART never said that he strung Federer's racquets. He said that someone from Wilson or Fed's team was there to string Federer's racquets and he was able to talk to them and ask them some questions. Please refer to Post #1.
     
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    "Just got it from the official stringing/measurement official machines here in Paris: . . . Someone from Wilson or Fed's team, I don't know, was here this morning to strung 16 rackets, . . ."
    For me this means, that he was at the official stringing service and Fed's rackets has been strung there. And the last part of this is not true!
     
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  46. BreakPoint

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    To me, that means that Federer's racquets were strung by someone from Federer's team and not by anyone at the stringing service.
     
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  47. jura

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    He said "soemone was here this morning to string 16 rackets. "here" clearly means "at the stringing service". What do you think? Tecnifibre allows someone from Feds stringing team to string the rackets at their machines??? Even if they did it were stupid. Fed pays about 30.000 $ a year for the service about his sticks. So it's clear that his rackets are always strung at the same machine! The result would be different if the suddenly use a different machine. So it's an unreal story at all.
     
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    Well...even if in the last few years, from time to time, SOME of Fed's (and Pete's, too) sticks has been strung at TF booth it has been only in case of (very rare) "extreme emergency"...plus: consider that even in the case -unbelievable to me...and I'm enough "in" TF- that Thierry Maissant or some other top guy in TF permit to someone from P1 to string on TF stringers machines, 16 rackets means 5 full hours o'working (without eating, ******* or...) obviously with the same stringer and on the same machine...normally TF booth opens just after 10 a.m. onwards on the final's sunday..were they stringing for next year's final? Not very logical to me...
     
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  49. ART ART

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    Eiffel59: have you been at TF this year? If so, tell me somwthing to recognise you, I am sure I will...
    It wasn't just 1 person working with the 16 rackets! and I never said that we have strung them all... sorry but I can't give more info on this, or I will compromise more people on TF.

    Has I said before for obvious commercial reasons whatever was that has passes throught that morning is not official, and all this info is not, I repeat, because obvious commercial reasons.

    4.00am or 5.00am in Europe its a natural and very quiet hour to be at the Pc, and having fun in discos, and other stuff... wellcome to PARIS!

    Please just close this thread, because this is gone over than it was supposed to, and I am affraid to compromise other people.

    THE END!
     
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  50. DoubleHanded&LovinIt

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    From http://pistol-pete.com/nate.htm

    "Pete is an absolute a perfectionist," Ferguson said. "He knows exactly what he wants and it's my job to be sure the racquets meet that standard. At the U.S. Open, for instance, I strung nine racquets starting at 8 a.m. to get them ready for Pete's practices and matches. It's my job to make sure I can get racquets strung on site at the same tension. Sometimes that's difficult because stringing machines can vary. That's the whole science and whole reason behind having one guy with one stringing machine traveling everywhere to string your racquets ?because it eliminates the variables you can get from different machines and you know you will get the consistency from one guy with one machine."
     

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