Federer backs out of Davis Cup vs. Spain...how surprising

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  1. ksbh

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    Good team or not, playing translates to mileage/stress. And considering his injury plagued career, the less he plays the better. So he should focus on the most important tournaments.

    I don't only advocate skipping DC. He should skip smaller tournaments like Barcelona as well. Overplaying cost him a 5th consecutive FO and another Wimbledon title. I hope he's learnt his lesson!

     
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    If the team is the favorite to win DC then rafa should play to ensure they take home the prize. Rafa skipping may jeopardize their chance. Whether if Roger play or not, Swiss is still the underdog.

    If Spain loses with the absent of rafa, it doesn’t look good for rafa. But for Roger it’s ok since they are not expected to win.
     
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    What the f*uck? You're post has nothin to do with the points I made. Seems like you completely missed my point.

    I'm not talking about Rafa's chances to win DC. I'm talking about the decisions he needs to make to extend his longevity. And I think the DC is not so important in the context of his individual career.

     
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    touchy, touchy. Winning DC is not just for him, but for his team and the nation as a whole. If it's too much to ask, he can skip one ATP tourney and sacrifice playing DC.:-D
     
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    Yes he wants to keep his mental edge going into the french open
     
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    But look on the bright side... he will show up for the DC in september so that Swiss won't fall out of world group.....What a Guy...
     
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    He doesn't have a mental edge, he is 0-4 against Rafa at RG.
     
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    Thank you. But it's not like Roger would be fatigued going into the DC, having a month plus off. If he trains in Switzerland or the UAE there will still be some travelling involved to get to California.

    As for the surface switch issue...it's something that far less great players than Roger have dealt with for decades.

    Maybe he goes straight to Cali, in which case, I'd say it's best for his training. But here's a guy who skips the Wimbledon warmups more than once and wins the tournament...he's not your average guy, and to pin this on training issues, is a little weak.

    The possibility of Nadal on clay in singles freaks him out. So much that he quashes all talk of it months prior. Nadal has done similar things...he has his whole 'me focus is just to improve' and he has uncle toni making excuses for him prior to events...I consider him no lion by any means.

    But if Fed beats him there in Spain on slow dirt, a lot of the bloom comes off Rafa's rose. And if he doesn't, at least he wasn't scared to try.
     
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    I think it would be better for Fed's chances at RG this year if he played Nadal at DC. He can use it as a training exercise to help discover how he should play Nadal if he faces him at RG.
     
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    YES, but he is a defending champion......:)
     
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    I see CrackBillionaire is living up to his billing.
     
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    If I'm not wrong Roger does a training block in Feb/early March so his training will be completed before IW itself.
    The major issue here-Travel and surface change cannot be ignored IMO.

    Even if both are possible for Roger I really dont think he'd go out of his way just for the first tie.Wimbledon is a different ball game altogether.Roger can anyhow put his maximum effort there and win.
    Its just that for a first round of DC this is not worth doing even if it ends up being against Nadal.
    Trust me - I would LOVE to see Roger beat Nadal in best of five sets on clay.
    But I would like it better to see him not put much strain on his body for the first round of DC.
     
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    Hey Annie,

    You don't know what crackbillionair means and it is unlikely that you ever would. Just like your stupid name. I am not trying to figure stuff out that's got nothing to do with me.

    I'm a Federer fan. And I am disappointed he won't play DC. I don't care what other circumstances are at play.

    I do not think those circumstances matter all that much. Fed did not play DC last March, he did poorly by his standards at Miami and IW, and he is still number 1 with 2 majors off of last year.

    I may be a Fed fan, but not an apologist. Sorry Annie.
     
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  14. Anaconda

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    Won't happen. Nadal is too good.
     
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  15. crackbillionair

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    That's reasonable.
     
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    one always hopes :wink:
     
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    As much as you're disappointed crackbillionair, let's be serious for a min though:

    Even if Federer would of played vs Spain on clay, what are the chances that Switzerland would beat Spain?

    I mean are you kidding me? They got: Nadal, Verdasco, Lopez, Robredo, Moya, Almagro, Ferrer, Ferrero (all good to great clay court specialist) and Switzerland besides Federer and Wawrinka, have a bunch of nobodies.

    I'm sorry but when you know you might have to do all the work and might still not be enough to advance the next round for DC, what's the point?

    I don't blame Federer skipping DC just because they have little to no chance to advance whatsoever.
     
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  18. Anaconda

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    Fair enough.
     
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    Okay, let's be serious for a minute. Improbable, but not impossible. Federer is the best clay courter besides Nadal mentioned. And Wawrinka is not so bad on that list either.

    If you might have to do all the work, and you win, it enhances your glory, and a guy like Roger doesn't have too many more ways to do that.

    This would be legendary.

    Now even if he loses the tie, but beats Nadal, there'd be a benefit to that. Really, he has nothing to lose, does Roger. He isn't expected to win under these circumstances.

    Would be nice if he tried though. And then if the Swiss lose, they can at least say that they put a good foot forward. And Roger wouldn't have to give DC a passing thought for a while because he did his part.

    Plus, Roger would win his 1st singles, could easily win the doubles, and be up 2-1 or trailing 2-1 going into Sunday, which either way gives them a shot.

    They play the matches for a reason. Funny things happen in sport. When you have the best player, you ALWAYS have a chance. Unless you have a defeatist attitude.

    Let's be real real serious for a minute: Roger cares about slams. He won 2 shields last year. All of a sudden his focus is Miami and IW?
     
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    Isn't Wawrinka going to be a no-show this year? - with baby due just around that time.

    This concept of dying trying works well in heroic poetry like the Charge of the Light Brigade :D
     
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    Yep, 90% chance of that happening.
    In other words: Swiss team are TOAST whatsoever. Chiudinelli/Allegro/whatever-an-expendable-Swiss-guy against the likes of Ferrer/Verdasco/Lopez/Robredo/etc.? hahahaha.
    And it's just a matter of common sense for Federer to withdraw with the IW/Miami Masters only a week away from it. Far more important anyways.

    Yep.
     
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    Wait, what happened at Madrid in 2009? 6-4 6-4 Federer on clay, in Spain? Yea he already did it buddy
     
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  23. TMF

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    Spain is suppose to win DC. If both Rog/Rafa decide not to play, the burden weigh heavily on Rafa than on Roger if their country lose. Rafa is in a tough spot, he can’t take risk in taking a chance for his team to lose.
     
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    Someone is obviously upset that Federer already eclipsed Sampras' mark for # of majors won. (I won't even get into a comparison of their records at the French. It would involve a discussion of balls, and something tells me not even a microscope could find Pete's balls on the crushed red earth of Roland Garros. Then again Federer is the reigning French Open champion!).

    And comparing the 1995 DC final in Moscow (against Kafelnikov?) vs a match up in Spain against Nadal? Huh? There's nothing remotely similar.
     
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    Oh come on.
    The Spanish team without Rafa is still 'pretty good'. The Swiss team without Roger (and Stan) = CANNON FODDER. No comparison there.
     
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    and that is the reason Nadal failed to show up in the finals of every hard court tournament till 2008.. fear of playing fed
     
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    No way. Unlike a lot of people who have come late to the game, I actually watched Pete Sampras play his entire career, with my own eyes. I didn't watch a few TTC classics to get my knowledge of Sampras' game.

    Also, I LOVE Federer. He is the only man to play beautiful tennis, in my estimation, since Sampras. I find it very hard to understand people who don't appreciate them both.

    Now there are never gonna be any DC finals for the Swiss unless Federer does something herculean, and I believe he can do it. People like you wanna say 'first round match doesn't compare to a final, blah blah blah.'

    Yes it does. Because there isn't ever gonna be a final unless Roger turns out.

    Am I pissed Roger broke the slam record? Not at all. I was pissed when he lost to Del Potro and I will be mad as hell if he loses the Australian Open.

    And I will root for the next great one hander as well when Federer is gone (Dimitrov).

    But having seen Pete Sampras through it all, it doesn't matter to me that he's got 14 and Roger 15. It won't matter when Roger, God willing, gets to 18 or 19.

    Because I want Roger to win. AND, I saw Pete and I know that there is not a player yet to come along who he could not play with, especially in the big spot (meaning for all his SFS, and Fs and all that, a mature Roger still chokes in the big spot, and as a Roger fan, that's very disappointing. Pete choked in the big spot 1x as a 21 year old against Edberg and that was it. You woke up knowing on Sunday that Pete was gonna win. I wake up on Sunday when it's Nadal-Federer, and despite the overwhelming difference in talent and grace, I do not feel like Roger is going to win. That's what the facts support. Sure, Rog has the longevity, the durability, but I feel Pete is the better winner, no matter what the slam total is, just I like I think John McEnroe is the better winner over Connors and Agassi, no matter what the slam count reads.).
     
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    It is a fact. Roger won and I was very glad. Here's another fact: only majors and Davis Cup matter. They are the only places where you play 5 set tennis, and where doubles, a true component of the game, is not grossly overlooked and undervalued. The Davis Cup is very important to a tennis purist. The Masters Series IS NOT.

    Andre Agassi has more shields than Pete Sampras. What does that tell you about the Masters Series?

    Roger would probably give back ALL his shields for one win over Nadal at RG, ok guy? Or to not have choked Australia away last year.
     
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    you have no knowledge about tennis.

    Federer is not playing there because they SWISS CANNOT WIN.

    They are playing on clay, in spain, the only surface spaniards are good at.

    Wawrinka is having a baby at that time, lets face it, Chiudenelli and whoever else they have can't play.

    Its pointless. And as someone else said, he has priorities, and getting 286 weeks at #1 is one of those priorities. I dont see how he could do that if he misses a DC tie that he nor his country would get any benefit out of.

    He can sacrifice with one tournament, but not two. Thats more than enough points for Nadal to get if he wins them both.
     
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    Coward. :roll:
     
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    When was the last time Federer played an opening round Davis Cup tie? 2004?
     
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    Yeah, I know nothing about tennis. Federer won the FO. He has no chance on clay. Right. The swiss have no chance in doubles, w/@ least 1/2 of the gold medal team. They only have the best player in the world.

    Fed lost to Mardy Fish two years ago at IW. He lost to Roddick 2 yrs ago in Miami. It's not why he lost the ranking. He didn't win or final @ either last year. Protecting SF points from masters events? A real tall order.
     
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    babies

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    Why would someone of feds stature even wanna play davis cup?

    Its a glorified exo in the middle of the season.
     
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    Yeah, because Federer is better than the entire institution of Davis Cup. How far do you go back, Chadwixx? You ever hear of John McEnroe? You watching the Hopman Cup? Who was Hopman? Why does he have an international competition named after him?

    And Jenny S...spinning yarns...Fed so disadvantaged to always lose to Nadal because he only faces him when he is at his best. Brilliant. You part of a think tank? So is Nadal the better player 'at his best' or is it just a matchup thing like so much of so many sports come down to like tennis and boxing and whatever else?

    Hey Jenny? Roger hasn't played the first tie since 04? So what? I guess nobody wants to see Federer-Nadal Davis Cup and all the Federer fans except me want to make excuses for it. That's cool. BTW, I like a lot of your statistical analysis, whether it be serious or comedic!
     
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    Seeing how Roddick pulled out of the USA tie against Serbia I'm waiting to see when a Roddick bashing thread will pop up here. My guess is I'll be waiting a loooong time. I noticed that Andy Murray pulled out of DC as well. Is he a bad person too?
     
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    Davis cup doesnt really mean much, spain had the title as worlds best for a month. World cup means much more because its every four years (like the olympics), if davis cup were that way id put more into it. Players would make it priority to play, but currently its way to frequent to get up for.

    Never heard of mac or hopman, whats your point? Are you debating that davis cup means more than tour events? Players already say the schedule is too long, why make yourself look like a fool by playing more than you have to then complain about playing too much?

    Spain is also the home team, if it were in feds town i think he would play. But there is really no reason for him to waste his time.
     
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    federer hasnt an opening tie in a long while.

    it has nothing to do with nadal

    if you want to rail on roger, rail on him for his commitment to davis cup.
     
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    I would predict 6-1,6-3,6-0 if he played Nadal.
     
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    You predict Fed win? Wow.
     
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    For once I agree with ksbh. The DC is a joke.
    Tennis is a solo sport (primarily), and on the side it's also a doubles sport, where your doubles partner isn't always necessarily from the same country, but anyone who suits your game/you get along with.

    To have a competition based on nationality, perhaps would make sense if it were a TEAM sport (ie; Football (soccer), Rugby, etc.) but for Tennis it just doesn't really seem relevant.
     
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    Why would there be a Roddick bashing thread? He gave his heart and soul to the team for years and WON. America can't really ask much more of him than they already have.

    And yes, Andy Murray is a terrible person. His own brother doesn't like him. He can't get people to coach him because he's petulant and acts like a child. I have no love for Brad Gilbert, but BG should not have had to take that nonsense off him.

    The list of coaches who have turned him down is impressive, are you aware of that?

    And then he has the nerve to blame his loss to Roddick on the 'poor scouting' that Machlachlan (sp) did prior to the Wimbledon semi, as if Andy Murray has no idea whatsoever what playing Roddick is like.

    Then, he's chirping about how if he wins Cincy and The Open that he will become number 1, when in fact, he regressed and Federer destroyed him in Cincy and Murray barely put forth an effort against Cilic in Flushing, but he had time to make all these promos for ESPN where he is doing crunches and catching a medicine ball.

    Until he wins a major, Andy Murray is a joke. He is a hype machine created by the most desperate media in the universe and he's the first one to feed the fire.

    And worst of all, he doesn't have the guts to go for his shots. What good is it to be a good volleyer when you only come in twice a set?
     
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    you know about the infamous match lol or matches haha :twisted: 4-0 h2h to be precise
     
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    I disagree. Davis Cup is a very important tradition which protects aspects of the sport that almost everyone else has disregarded, like best of 5 set tennis with no fifth set tie breakers and best of 5 doubles. Many of the greatest matches in the history of men's tennis have been played for country, and it is the one time when 'individual' athletes come together as a team.

    Just practicing with the Davis Cup team is a tremendous honor that has shaped and continues to shape many guys and their careers.

    All the American players have gained greatly by the practice alone, as for many of them, it is the only time when they receive quality coaching. Donald Young gets more out of being around Patrick McEnroe for a week here and there than he has for the last 2 years from Ilona Young. James Blake is another one. He gets more from PMac than that awful Brian Barker. Tremendous waste of talent.

    A lot of people do not respect the Davis Cup properly. Probably a lot of those people only saw Pete Sampras in highlights and don't know who Harry Hopman is.
     
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    Hey JennyS,

    Sampras-Nadal 2-2 huh? Can you charge up your super computer and let me know how Chris Evert would have done against Serena Williams, or any other ridiculously impossible hypothetical nonsense you might decide to research?

    You make excellent use of your time. I commend you facetiously, even though Nadal doesn't belong in the same sentence with The Pistol, but I am not gonna go pour over brackets from yesteryear or dignify this garbage with a prediction as you so meticulously have.

    Thanks.
     
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    So what? I don't blame him for not wanting to play for practical reasons and I don't blame him for not wanting to play Nadal on clay again (even though he beat Nadal in straights last time they met on clay). What's the point?
     
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    I do blame him. As a tennis fan, I want to see the matchup. I would think a smart guy like Roger could get a lot out of it too, experientially. It'll hurt this, it'll hurt that...maybe.

    Maybe it gives him a free look at Nadal on the road, where all the pressure is on Nadal. Maybe he finds something in that match that heps him against Nadal going forward.

    Plus, he's Roger Federer. And he's a tennis player. Go play tennis. Try to conquer your rival. He says he expects to win every time he goes on the court. Go be that guy. No, he's gotta take the old man Connors approach, and only go where he is getting a fat check. He's gotta conserve every drop of energy for the next major, which, if Nadal is back to form he will probably lose anyway, right?

    DC helps guys in slams. Sam Querrey got a lot out of going to Spain and playing Rafa. It helped Roger a lot before he was the greatest. It could still.
     
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    For those of you who have little regard for the Davis Cup, I gotta remind you of the subtle reasons why DC is so good for tennis, aside from the preservation of natural 5 set scoring.

    Look at a guy like Frank Dancevic. I do not know what you think of him. I think he is a potential top 50 guy with a chance to do a little better than that. Without Davis Cup Dancevic would have so much less potential to be something because he is getting to play best of 5 tennis a lot when in actuality he is not getting much play at the slams.

    He beat someone pretty good at Wimbledon. He'd not have done that without Davis Cup seasoning.

    Another guy like that is Dudi Sela. Playing so much for Israel in the 5 set format that he is actually a good player beating other good players, which seemed improbable.

    Also, the Davis Cup emphasizes doubles which is good for the game. It can hurt no player to have some experience in doubles because it forces you to be good in critical areas: serve, return, volley, lob.

    Having the doubles in the middle makes for a good dynamic because you can lose day 1 in a sweep, but you win the middle day doubles, you still have a chance to win on Sunday.

    Another guy that a little Davis Cup experience was good for was Mardy Fish. Doubles makes for well rounded players who do more than baseline.

    Davis Cup is very important. Helped Hewitt, Federer, Nalbandian, Nadal, Blake, Gonzalez. You didn't see any of them complain about getting tapped by their countries when they were young. They were eager to do it, as a few like John McEnroe, Lleyton Hewitt and Andy Roddick were always eager to do it and it improved the quality and interest in the sport.

    Who is watching Marco C. play Tommy Robredo?

    The DC is unique, historic, traditional, benificial to the quality of the game, and good especially for young players.

    The Davis Cup is very important. It's next after slams. Nobody remembers when you win Memphis. They remember when you win for your country.

    And maybe it's gonna help Sam Querrey or Isner, which I'd take as an American fan.
     
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    federer has played nadal 11, yes, ELEVEN times on clay, 11 out of their total 20 matches, more than 50% of their matches.

    To suggest that he's afraid of facing nadal on clay is well frankly LAUGHABLE !

    lets face it, swiss have no chance without wawarinka, even if federer plays , no point in him playing
     
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    Rather the contrary, I feel he would have liked the opportunity.

    That's the whole point. I mean... a team consisting of Allegro, Chiudinelli, Bohli? Spain might well turn up with Almagro as the highest ranked player LOL.
    Bet that Rafa will be wise and doesn't show up either.
     

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