Federer can't win tomorrow-at least not with Nadal fans.

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  1. jamesblakefan#1

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    If Fed wins, he just took advantage of a tired/hurt Nadal.

    If he loses, he gets buried for not even being able to beat a dead tired Nadal.

    Am I seeing this right? Should he just give Rafa a walkover? Thats the way it'd basically be for Nadal fans.
     
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  2. MajinX

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    lol ur probably right, no matter wat happens there will always be excuses and arguments, not just for tomorrows match, for every match.
     
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  3. Safinator_1

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    Well... he is tired lol so, yeah lose hes tired, win hes the best! its win win situation no matter how you look at it from his fans
     
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  4. Chelsea_Kiwi

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    Yes you are 100% right. Though if he loses you need to include the fact he should retire.

    Also if he gives a walkover then he will be called a bad sport. Impossible for Federer to "win" this game no matter how he tries.
     
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    Sorry but that is just the truth. Nadal is tired after an epic 4 hour match with not enough time to recuperate, while Federer had a cakewalk joke of a draw.
     
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  6. Chelsea_Kiwi

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    He had a longer time to recuperate then Federer so it evens out. Not to mention most of that 4 hours was time-wasting as proven in another thread. :wink:
     
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    yes it is true that nadal will be more tired than federer but is nadal not the most physically tough guy on tour? and is he not an athlete? I played tennis for hours in the summer and sure i was tired right after for a bit, but usually a days rest and im good to play again. so for a pro im assuming half a day is good enough... and its not like they dont have many pro trainers and crazy nice beds and everything else that takes stress away from their muscles.
     
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    I didn't see that was proven.
     
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    So gj, you would not even give Fed credit if he played well tomorrow, used smart tactics to defeat an albeit tired Nadal?
     
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    Not tomorrow. It will be just too uneven playing field IMO.

    If Fed had to go through a decent draw instead of this joke (Soderling, Blake, Roddick, DelPotro), beat Novak or some other decent clay court player in the SF after a hard match and than beat Nadal in a way you described, than yes for sure.

    It won't happen the way you described it anyway.
     
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  11. Nadalfan89

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    Federer has a snowball's chance in hell of winning tomorrow so I don't think it matters.
     
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    i would expect nothing more from ppl like you.
    hopefully it will be a good match
     
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  13. Tennis_Bum

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    True enough, but hell, just beat the SH*T out of Nadal tomorrow and who cares what his fans say. Just get the joy out of beating him tomorrow. But I say this with a lot of cautions. Fed just should play freely tomorrow. If he tenses up, boy, it's going to be ugly for Fed.
     
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  14. LanceStern

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    Del Potro isn't even a DECENT clay courter now? Federer had a decent draw it's just any challenge he would have had lost early (Karlovic, Davydenko, Andreev)

    Nadal had just as easy a draw. He's the best clay courter in the world, no-one challenes him on clay really except Fed (exclusing FO2008) and now Djokovic.
     
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    You all seem to forgetting that

    1) You can only play the people in front of you

    2) Winning a tournament is just that ... you have to win the tournament not just the final... so what if Nadal played 4 hours in the last round... that is his problem its part of playing tournaments.. you have to win early rounds conserving energy.

    Its going to still be a very tough ask for Federer but if he wins it will be just as good a victory for him as it will be for Nadal if he wins.
     
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  16. Safinator_1

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    he is playing a wounded Nadal honestly not even Fed can mess this up
     
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    The hatred towards Federer in this forum is again unbelievable.

    It's Nadal's fault for playing this long - if he doesn't want the matches to last this long he needs to shorten the points, take less than 40 seconds between points, and be more aggressive.

    I could have sworn that there was a game in the Nadal/Djokovic match that lasted more than the whole match of Federer/Delpo
     
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  18. P_Agony

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    He will not give any credit to Federer even if he beat Murray, Djokovic and Nadal back to back, day after day. He will always claim Federer got a better schedule, a better draw, the crowd was cheering for him more, the rain was helping him. He always finds something to say.

    Of course, Djokovic never got an easy draw, the rain never helped him, the sechdule was never fair to him.
     
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  19. Safinator_1

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    Long matches from Nadal are always awesome to me, What a Great Champion to think of the fans entertainment before his well-being i salute you :D
     
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    There you go, fixed it.
     
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  21. Well it's not Nadal's fault for getting Djokovic in the semis, who seems to be by far the second best clay courter right now. The guy is fantastic on the stuff, and it was an extremely tight match with razor thin margins. You can hardly call that his fault.

    And yeah of course rain helped Djokovic. It helped him in Rome for sure. :p At least it appeared too.

    It is kind of a lose-lose situation for Federer though. Nadal does look gassed to me at least. So yeah he's going to be screwed. If he wins its "Well of course he did, Nadal was worn out." If he loses then it's REALLY bad...

    I just hope Nadal doesn't do anything stupid and endangers his RG or Wimbledon chances.
     
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  22. theduh

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    Fed will never get credit from this forum even though IF he had the toughest draw or a cakewalk draw. But if Nadal had a tough draw everyone will say that he's a fighter, mentally though, etc.
     
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  23. Ronny

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    fed hasnt won yet
     
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  24. Safinator_1

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    Because Nadal is all that lol duh
     
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  25. BorisBeckerFan

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    It's unfortunate that the situation is what it is. I know Fed would take a win any way he can but I'd also like think that he would get the most satisfaction by beating Nadal when they're both near 100 percent. It would mean more to him. It's always a bad situation when you face a tired opponent. Had Djokovic lost the AO semifinal to Fed and word got out that he had mono, it would have looked bad for Djokovic. Djokovic won and the later on it was like well Fed was tired cause of the mono so that win by many wasn't given as much credit. It's a pre-built excuse but it's also just the way it is and most players get to be on both sides of the equation.
     
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  26. timnz

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    But Federer is playing for himself

    Federer isn't evaluating it from the fans point of view, he is evaluating it from his own point of view. If he wins, he will be assessing how strong Nadal was. He has played him enough times to know if it was a full strength Nadal performance. So he will know himself if it was a great win or just a convenient win.

    I think that if Federer does win, it will be a great confidence builder either way, regardless of what the public think. He will be able to assess how good the performance was himself. He is no fool.

    The 2 best performances of Federer on clay were the last set of Hamburg in 2007 where he beat Nadal 6-0 and at the Italian Open in 2006 where he had match point against Nadal.

    What I find interesting also is that Madrid has turned out to be Federer's best showing on clay pre-Roland Garros just the same as used to be the case when Hamburg was a Super-9. Madrid is placed exactly the same place in the calendar as Hamburg used to be.

    In terms of what is 'wrong with Federer' that people seem to go on about in this forum, the single strongest factor this year has been his serve. If he was serving at 60% he would have won the Australian Open this year. Sorry to Nadal fans but that is just a fact. He won a set at the Australian Open final serving less that 50%. So at 60+ he would have kept it together. You can't serve at less than 50% and expect to beat Nadal. The fact that he pushed Nadal to 5 sets and served so badly is amazing to me.

    Last night against Del Potro you could see signs that the service is coming back. Hope it continues...
     
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  27. vtmike

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    You are talking as if Djokovic physically hit him in the knees with his racquet!...He played a three set match...Agreed it was a long one but how much was it time wasting? Nadal is the fittest guy on tour and you are telling me he cannot recover from a three set match in almost 24 hours?

    And I agree with the OP...Fed will be criticized no matter what the outcome...but the situation is not in his control and he is not playing to impress the *******s...any other rational fan would give Fed credit I am sure...Its just that the forum is over run by Nadal fans right now :)
     
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    let' s wait for the match to see if any of the OP's words are true. If he can fight like Novak fought yesterday, with Rafa fighting the same and he wins, then props to him. No excuses.

    Unless that is the case...one of your excuses will be used.:twisted:
     
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    But what if Federer wins easily?

    What if Federer wins easily (and I am not making predictions here) and Nadal's obviously moving well? What will be the assessment then?
     
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    given past matches/records/history-if Nadal is moving well Roger cannot win easily. He will have to fight fight fight, everypoint, until he can't breathe anymore but his hands and legs are still able to function somehow. Like I said the only way we can give Roger credit if he wins is if he plays a match similar to the one Novak played yesterday.
     
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  31. Blinkism

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    It depends on Nadal, true.

    But if Nadal comes out and gives a 100% and Federer can keep up (win or lose) and we see a great all-time classic epic match, then i'm sure the decent and sane Nadal fans will give him credit just as they did to Djokovic for the semi-final.

    But then again, you may say i'm a dreamer......... but i'm not the only one.
     
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    Cannot win easily?

    History in fact shows that Federer can play well against Nadal on Clay at times. In 2006 Federer took a 6-1 set off Nadal in the French Open final which Nadal won so he obviously was in good form. In 2007 Hamburg took a 6-0 set off Nadal who didn't look bad to me, it just was Federer was playing like his supporters always are wanting him to play. So if he can do it for 1 set then he can do it for 2.

    I agree its a reach. Nadal is so strong. But a Federer who clicks can be a handful for anyone.
     
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    When Nadal has a long and tiresome match, the next day he plays even better.
     
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    interestingly ı am agree with you..yea roger got a easy draw and nadal had to pass verdasco and djokovic in the route to the final..plus, he played a 4 hours match ( ı think normally it cant be a 4 hours match in a best of three set match but they took so much time between the points )..

    so, ı know if roger wins today it will be mostly because of his easy draw and nadal tiredness..

    but what ı know or we know is even if roger wins french open title with the victories over nadal and djokovic you will find some excuses not to give credits to roger..

    thats why ı dont like being agree with you...
     
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  35. aldeayeah

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    If Federer wins, all credit and more to him.

    Nadal on clay is such an ogre, the conditions being against him can't be considered a mitigating factor.

    Fed would still be beating Nadal, on clay, in a final, in Spain.

    (I'm a big Nadal fan by the way)
     
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    LOL, look at what Fed said in an interview

    He's trying to play it all aloof and cool.
    Maybe he'll actually relax tomorrow and play some kick-ass tennis?

    Same goes for Nadal?
     
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    Well its normal that after yesterdays Nole-Rafa match there will be excuses that Rafa is tired, but I think if Roger takes this one it will be a great thing for him his confidence.
     
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    I dont care..I'll be hiding under my bed covers anyway :lol:
     
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    Its the same for every match nadal plays.

    If he loses its because he is tired so doesnt count.
    If he wins then hes just god.

    Reminds me of liverpool fc.
     
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  40. Safinator_1

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    Hey a win is a win thats what ive always believed. If Fed can get the W from Nadals long match then so be it. A win is a win
     
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    Are you saying Nadal won't be tired after a 4 hour match? That's the way it is for Federer fans.

    Djokovic didn't get credit for winning the AO because Federer had mono. Nadal didn't get credit for winning Wimbledon because Federer had mono and it wasn't true grass. And Nadal didn't get credit for winning the last AO because Federer played like crap. Yes, that's the way it is for Federer fans.......following your logic.
     
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    i'll tell Fed fans what they always say to everyone' double standard much' why don't you apply that to yourselves you hypocrites
     
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    Any Nadal fans want to give Fed credit now? Or just going to use the excuses provided?
     
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    Federer played well but Nadal was spent mentally and pyshically.
     
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    comeon, is Federer giving credit to Federer? His "dude" finger wave at the end didn't exactly show he believed the curse had been broken. :roll:

    someone said Federer finished what Novak started-so the question has finally been answered-what does it take to beat Nadal on clay? One player on fire and a second one to play below 70%:twisted:
     
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    Sure, all the credit in the world to Federer for winning the Madrid title.
     
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    Nadal played a longer match at the AO and had the same amount of time to recover before the final. Please, stop with your nonsense. Federer simply outplayed Nadal today here, like how Nadal outplayed Federer at the AO and Wimbledon.
     
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    So it is as I said, no credit for Federer today. He's just a washed up loser who just happens to have 13 slams.
     
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    Bump...

    Same situation arises tomorrow. If Federer loses, he's a choker. He wins, he doesn't get as much credit, because he didn't beat the Great Rafa in the final. Sad that people can never give a guy credit b/c of the rivalry.
     
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  50. grafselesfan

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    If Federer wins tommorows final I will give him no credit at all. He just got lucky if he wins and deserves no credit. He is the luckiest and most overrated player of all time- male or female. Well maybe tied with Serena "fat arse" Williams.
     
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