Federer complains ....

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by SerbWhoLovesDelPo, Oct 13, 2009.

  1. ..about the schedule. This is 3 years old, when Murray first beat Fed at Cinci 2006.

    Interestingly, the year after this, 2007, they allowed the top seeds byes into R32 at Canada and Cinci. Until 2006, they had to play from R64.

    http://www.redorbit.com/news/sports/620046/federer_stunned_by_murray_unhappy_at_schedule/index.html

    So, what do you say about this?
     
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  2. Cesc Fabregas

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    Watch Mandy0hyprocrite make all the excuses now for Federer, when she has been slating Nadal in other theads.
     
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  3. I think Federer has a point here because, as I remember, you cannot skip a Masters without a good reason.

    So, if you are playing 2 weeks every day in Montreal and Cinci, you have a right to complain, especially if you wanna win both.

    But, complaining is complaining.
     
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  4. mandy01

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    comparing apples to oranges much? Didnt he say winning these events isnt easy because of the time-slot?
    Did he say he was going to burn out?
    How many times has Nadal literally whined about the schedule?countless.
    More importantly didnt he come up with a solution instead of just whinning away?
     
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  5. Adi-das

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    Because this artical is 3 years old Mandy will not accept it.
     
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  6. or monkeys to goats?

    But, they actually changed the system after this.

    Federer suggested the byes for top seeds, and voila, the next year the top seeds got byes into the 2nd round.

    And, mandy01, please, it wasn't just Nadal who whined. Probably, every single top player has whined at one time or another.
     
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  7. mandy01

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    yeah..I suppose they found the solution reasonable :wink:
     
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  8. Of course, everyone listens too the main man :)
    Also, this might have been said in frustration.
     
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  9. TMF

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    2006 Roger played 97 matches.

    How many matches did Roddick and Nadal played this year?
     
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  10. mandy01

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    Nadal does it more often than anyone I've seen.Other players complain once a while..he whines.
    He always has something to complain/whine about-Schedule,too many tournaments on hard courts,doping rules,not having a ranking system like golf where the player gets protected ranking etc.
     
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  11. Agree, he whines a lot more than everyone else.
     
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  12. viduka0101

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    the only people i see here whining are drakulie, cesc fabregas, mandy, you mr. magician and a few others i can't remember
    and it's been going on more than a week, the General Pro Player Discussion section sucks
    special mention to drakulie again, the king of whiners
    (don't even try to post that stupid baby crying picture)
     
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  13. BigServer1

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    Complaining is complaining...Most of these guys do it, and they do it for good reason. The schedule in Tennis is absolutely ridiculous, and it should change.

    Federer played a ton of matches in 2006, but he only entered 17 events...He played so many matches because he was a finalist in 16 of those events and won 12. Nadal, Roddick and others have also complained about the schedule after long seasons, sometimes injury plagued.

    The ATP needs to reconcile this...The season should start in February and end in October, with November, December and January being months where tennis doesn't happen on the Tour 1000-Grand Slam level.
     
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  14. With all due respect, i am not a whiner, im a debater.
     
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  15. SuperDuy

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    Well, I think at the time murray was ranked lower so that is probably why they played, now they would be in different ones in draw.
     
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  16. Not a lot.

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    Is that the record btw?

    He only played 17 tournaments that year. That's one less than the currenltly prescribed number :confused:
     
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    ^^ and how do you propose that to happen?You do realise the tour revolves not just around top players but others too?
    You do realise there are many other interests vested in a sport that is as it is very expensive.
    Top players can easily opt out of events.Thet CAN afford it.
     
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  18. TMF

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    Number of tourneys means nothing, it's how much matches you played.

    When Nadal/roddick played that much, then you can compared with roger’s complaint. Otherwise, it’s apple to orange.
     
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  19. I am just saying that it's interesting that he played so many matches in so few tournaments.

    He just played the obligatory events (slams, masters, MC, Davis Cup), his favorites Dubai, Halle and Basel, and also Tokyo and Doha.

    After 2006, he stopped playing Doha and Tokyo. So you can say that he started managing his schedule, unlike Rafa. But, apparently, he got ATP to change the rules since the following years they allowed the byes for top seeds.

    So, someone listened to him. They didn't just tell him to tough it out and manage himself better.
     
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    ^ he dosent control the ATP..He didnt get them to change anything.He proposed the solution they found reasonable.
     
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  21. I never said he "dose" control ATP. But apparently, they found the complaint reasonable.

    But see, Federer felt exhausted (or whatever you may call it) in 2006 without playing too many tournaments (only 17). He always plays Basel because it's his home city, and he plays Halle to prepare for Wimby. Apart from that, he only played 3 more.
     
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    er..no he didnt..he didnt say he was exhausted.He spoke about the time-slot in which two events were held and the difficulty caused in going back-to-back in these events.
    They found his solution reasonable.And I'm sure other players were consulted before implementing this.
     
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  23. viduka0101

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    matches played per year
    Nadal Federer
    2005 89 85
    2006 71 97
    2007 85 77
    2008 93 81
    2009(so far) 66 63
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    404 403

    roddick would obviously have less matches, care to comment?
     
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  24. viduka0101

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    didn't nadal complain about that when it comes to the clay cort season
     
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    Last time I checked players are given byes in the clay court masters as well :?
     
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    Dito. But still, complaining is complaining.
     
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  27. It seems to me that they gave byes in Canada and Cinci because Federer complained about it. But, judging by your standards, Federer was a whiner in 2006.

    So, maybe if Nadal and Roddick come up with some solution rather than just whining, they will accept it, too. And then, they will no longer be whiners but respectable public personas who do their best to come up with good solutions to difficult problems.
     
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  28. mandy01

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    er....he complained like once? AND he proposed a solution instead of just whinning away.
    And no,they didnt do anything BEACUSE of Federer.But you are free to wear those tin hats.


    Sure,if they have a reasonable solution why wouldnt the ATP accept it?
     
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  29. Jason Lives

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    Actually federer has complained thousands of times but because there are so many fedfans out there, the majority fail to see it (or they can't face facts)
     
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  30. viduka0101

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    he wanted more rest betweem masters tournaments, and i somehow doubt it's all federers idea, it was all probably in the making
    IMO they shouldn't have to play ATP1000 tournaments one immediately afther the other with or without the byes
     
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  31. What's a tin hat? I never suggested that Federer controls the ATP. The solution he proposed was probably a good one, although the lower-ranked were not too pleased by it.

    But, why did he have to even question the rules? Why not just manage his schedule better and tank some masters along the way?
     
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    IMO He should really not play Barcelona at times.I dont get why he goes for 3 weeks back-to-back of tennis.
     
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    The lower-ranked players I'm sure would've been better pleased to have some matches under their belts before meeting the top ranked players.

    As far as I can see Roger's done an excellent job of managing his schedule :D
     
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    i agree,he shouldn't, he probably has reasons for playing there(home soil, fans, loves the tournament...)

    also, i'm still waiting for TMF to comment does the guy who played the most matches in the last 54 and a half years really have a right to complain and i would like an explanation about the whole apples and oranges scheme
     
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  35. Jason Lives

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    FEDERER COMPLAINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    yeah yeah OP tell us something we didn't know.
     
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    er. do you have to talk in such a rude way? er...
     
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    I do think he can miss it once a while..Roger's missed Basel and he loves that tourney.He could've missed Monte Carlo this year because it wasnt mandatory as far as I know.
     
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  38. Ledigs

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    Because those are important tournaments
     
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    What was rude about my comment?
     
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  40. mandy01

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    Barcelona is a 500 event which can be missed once a while..
     
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  41. OK, tell me now, if ATP does something because of complaining from various players, then will you still call them whiners?

    I agree that they can skip some tournaments. If Nadal plays Barcelona next year and then complains about recurring pain, then he's an idiot.
     
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  42. mandy01

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    Probably not because it means they will have have discussed and found out a resonable solution.
     
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  43. OK, we can agree about that, then.
     
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  44. All-rounder

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    Wow you got a article from federer 3 years ago. BTW federer played 95 atp matches in that season surprisingly he won 90 of them you don't expect him to got 100% for a season
     
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  45. mandy01

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    He was 92-5 actually :wink:
     
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    Federer's such a crybaby. If he was the real GOAT he could win back to back matches every day for decades.
     
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    The problem with Nadal is that he complains about schedule and similar and then goes on to play tourneys like Rotterdam and plays doubles on top of singles.He should not rest his hopes on ATP or whomever is in charege on putting player's health first,it's all about money in every sport.Instead Nadal should just balance his schedule more wisely,like when he skipped TMC and DC final last year and voila he won AO this year.
     
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  48. luckyboy1300

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    while he did play in only 17 tournaments, remember that in 2006 he has reached all finals except for cinci, so the amount of matches he played is insane already. it doesn't make any sense counting the number of tournaments entered because for all we know, a player enters 32 tournaments but lost in 1st or 2nd round everytime. therefore he'll only have about 40 matches played while entering 32 tourneys.
     
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    And if he were the REAL GOAT, He'd at the moment would have 21 grand slams and wouldn't have let fat Nably beat him at the AO early on
     
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  50. Blinkism

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    Ok, Nadal complains and Federer complains but the fact behind everything is that the tour puts pressure on the top players.

    They should market the rest of the Top 20, instead, so there's less pressure on the Top 4 "big names" of tennis and then start changing the rules about the tour schedule so that the rest of the Top 20 tacks slack off the Top 4 guys..

    Btw, the word "complain" has negative connotations on TW, but Nadal and Federer have as much right to complain as they want as they are on the ATP Player's Council, this is their job, and all they want is to improve the tour.
     
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