Federer: "Djokovic has been great, but NOTHING extraordinary"

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  1. TennisFan3

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    Federer "returns home" to bid for seventh title

    http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2011-06-18/201106181308406564528.html

    Federer rates the chances of the top 4 on grass --

    "Maybe [a few years ago] Rafa was still looking a little bit for how good he was on grass. We all knew he was good on clay - excellent on clay really - very good on hard courts, and grass you just never really get a chance to really prove yourself. I think as time went by, he showed how good he was; won a couple times here in the meantime. And Murray's game is very natural for this surface."

    As for the fourth member of the quartet at the top of the tennis world right now, Federer couldn't resist another dig at Djokovic. "I think Djokovic has always been great, but nothing extraordinary yet.

    But with the run he's on, obviously there's a lot of possibilities for him as well here," he said.

    And so the mind games have begun.

    Federer finds himself in the same half of the draw as the Serb, and if all goes to plan they would clash in the semi-final for the fourth straight time at a major.

    "I didn't necessarily need to prove my point in Paris for my mind or for my confidence. I know I can beat Novak on any surface. I've done that in the past. Just because he's on a great winning streak doesn't mean he's unbeatable," he said.

    "Here at Wimbledon anyway I'm even more confident. I think I'm a better player than in Paris, so I expect myself to do really well here, even better"

    "The first time I hit here on Monday, very easily, like right away after 10 minutes, it feels so natural for me to play on grass.

    And unfortunately for those who will come up against him at this year's Championships, Federer is dreaming big in 2011. When asked about the images he sees of Wimbledon when he closes his eyes, this was the response: "For me it's the moment when I lift the Wimbledon trophy really… that's the moment I see and I feel the strongest," he explained.

    "All the hard work during the year and then the preparation and just staying focused and strong till the very end, to be able to lift up the trophy is a wonderful feeling. That's the picture I see."

    In just two weeks, it's a picture the rest of the tennis world could be seeing for a seventh time.
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    Good to see, Federer confident, and sending out a message to his rivals.

    Who's betting on Fed to win the tournament?
     
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  2. mandy01

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    Good job omitting the 'yet' from the title and laying special emphasis on the word 'nothing'.You should be a member of the press. :rolleyes:
     
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  3. nikdom

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    He's talking about Djokovic's performance on Grass over the years. Don't incite riots when you don't understand the context.

    Here is the quote in context -
    Djokovic has indeed been less successful at Wimbledon than at other GS events. He hasn't made the finals there yet.
     
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  4. RCizzle65

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    Grass is the Djoker's weakest surface, and he hasn't shown to have the skills to win it. If Federer somehow loses early, I will be rooting for Roddick or Djokovic, but idk, like Federer said, he's been on a good run so it's not like he's just going to be pushed around. Last year's semi run that Djokovic had wasn't much of a test for him either, his only good win was Hewitt.
     
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    Ehh, this was not necessary from Roger. Let your game do the talking, cause now if you lose to Djoker in semis you look like a clown. Not to mention Fed had to play very well in the FO semis and Djoker's level dipped for Fed to win. I mean I wouldn't have been surprised of Djoker beat Nadal there.

    And another thing, the fact that Djoker has 4 wins over Nadal and 3? over Fed this year...that's pretty extraordinary in itself. Usually it's tough to manage even two wins over Nadal in a year or in a row. Djoker beat him 4 times. Those are my thougts anyway.
     
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  6. Messarger

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    "Well for sure everybody has an opinion no? I think Roger is right that Novak is playing amazing tennis lately so very happy for him. If he gonna play in Wimbledon like how he play this season gonna be almost impossible to stop him. Roger also playing well no? He play unbelivable at the French Open and he will play well on grass too. If he close his eyes and he lift the trophy then can just congragulate him, but for me the only illusion is the first match with Russell. For me when i close my eyes try to see myself playing my best tennis. Only then i can have chances for the win."
     
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    He took another cheap shot at Djokovic, I am really not liking Fed like I use to anymore, this was just unnecessary and out of context, if anything, Djokovic has proven He can play on grass(few semis more than Mopy Murray) and He is a major winner, unlike Murray.

    I hoped Fed was going to be on Nadal's half and let Murray be beaten by Djoker, but unfortunately I won't be able to see Fed VS Djokovic final.
     
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  8. mandy01

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    Don't bother.You can tell from the title itself that inciting riots was essentially the purpose.The subsequently bolded part of the original quote is further proof of what the OP really wants.
     
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  9. nikdom

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    Djokovic is a big boy. He dishes it out too. No need to shed tears over this.
     
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    :confused:

    He's talking about the top 4's history on grass. When Roger says "nothing extraordinary" he is probably comparing Nole's grass court history with his hard court history.
     
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    LOL.. nice :)

    Don't know if Nadal could've done it better.
     
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    Huh? Both have two semis at Wimbledon and Murray has two Queens titles.
     
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    OP the sentence you're quoting in the title is missing an always and a yet. Changes things quite a bit doesn't it? Innocent mistake or ulterior motive I wonder? I see nothing wrong with the original quote. It is the truth and the truth with a positive spin at that. From the perspective of someone who's won Wimbledon 6 times calling Djokovic always great on grass is generous.
     
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    Djoker was rusty in his semifinal at FO. This time it will be different.
     
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    I bow to my sensei. :)
     
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    The guy has 16 Grand Slams, arguable by most to be the greatest ever, and people are saying he is out of place saying Chokovic hasn't been able to produce on grass?

    Before people talk trash, remember Nadal at 9(or is it 10 now? :-S) Fed at 16....

    Murray 0
    Djoker 2


    I like Djokovic too.
     
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    You're just the gift that keeps on giving, aren't you.

    Djokovic and Murray have both made a QF and 2 SFs at Wimbledon. Djokovic has zero grass titles, Murray has 2. Murray has never lost to an unseeded player or before R3 - unlike Novak. Novak's grass win % is 73%, Murray's is 80%. Since 2006, Murray has been beaten at Wimbledon only by Roddick and Nadal - whereas Novak has lost to Safin and Haas.
     
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  18. NadalAgassi

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    I cant see Roger losing to Novak on grass, but then again I couldnt see Roger beating Novak on clay right now. I guess we will just have to see if the grudge match happens which it should with their draw. Djokovic is still the bigger threat to Nadal though, even on grass. Roger will never beat Nadal in a slam final again.
     
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  19. TennisFan3

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    BRILLIANT!!
     
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  20. TMF

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    The OP is clueless.
    He has no idea what Fed is talking about.[​IMG]
     
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  21. TennisFan3

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    Never say Never. Fed did show some good strategy against Nadal in F.O, which could work well on grass. Still that was also because Nadal, himself, played a poor match, by his high standards in GS finals.

    Overall, I agree with your point of Novak vs Fed in SF.

    While Fed is the favorite, I have no doubt that Novak has chances to beat him. It's amazing what NOT having pressure can do to your tennis.

    Djoker is under the radar, and no one is talking about him anymore. It's funny how he's gone to being a afterthought in a few weeks, after being "the story" on ATP. This is an ideal scenario for the Serb..
     
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    I thought this was going to another case of Fed's typical psychological warfare. He's a champ at that.

    There's still penty of time for Federer to start his famous psychoogical warfare tricks.
     
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  23. Cesc Fabregas

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    Typical Federer, you'd think he'd have become more humble after the beatings Djoker and Nadal had given him this year but no...
     
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  24. Mick

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    that's because federer has higher standards than most other tennis observers :)
     
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  25. zagor

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    Oh look it's favourite Nadal fanboy pastime-thoural analysis of Fed's interviews.

    BTW Fed's obviously talking about Novak's grasscourt performances but don't let that stop you humble keyboard warriors!
     
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    haha Agreed. The funny thing is that Novak would agree with Federer's assessment on his past Wimbledon performance. During WTF last year, I heard Novak talking about how he was disappointed in his Wimbledon SF performance against Berdych. Additionally, he told Navratilova (in an interview on tennis channel) at wimbledon 2010 that he felt that he could play much better on grass then he has in the past.

    but hey, it is just mind games that Federer is playing. :lol: Novak is a beast on grass courts and Federer is just threatened.
     
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  27. Heracles

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    Federer has a long record about firing shots at his opponents in press conference or interviews.

    He called Nadal one dimensional, he said that Murray's game was negative and that he was not improving, he also insisted that Murray was slamless to add pressure on him before AO2010....
     
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    (Why do people complain about players dissing other players - if you can call it a diss.....

    Tennis is much better if the players aren't buddy-buddy,much more interesting. That's why the Rafa-Soderling rivalry is so awesome!)
     
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    Murray is indeed slamless. It is a fact.
     
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    Sure,but crafty old Fed couldn't resist playing mind games by reminding Murray and everyone else of that fact just before his final against him at the 2010 AO.
    Unfortunately,it worked!
     
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  31. seffina

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    Look, this is true, no? Roddick is more extraordinary than Novak on grass. Hewitt is more extraordinary than Novak on grass.

    I think he has all the tools to become extraordinary this year. His movement and fitness are better. His serve's better. His forehand's better. As long as they all come together in a match, he can beat anyone.

    Roger's not one to underplay or overplay things. That's just who he is. Why should he be any different? It has made him the most successful tennis player ever. He always believes in his abilities to come out on top - that's what works for him. Good on him.

    Novak can prove him wrong, but Roger's not going to make it easier for him by giving him some words of comfort and what not.

    Besides he said yet.

    If I close my eyes, I also see Roger holding the seventh SW19 trophy. And I'm a super humble fan. :p
     
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  32. oy vey

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    Yes, against Fish and Tsonga

    Regarding the remark Fed made about Novak....

    Maybe he's just pissed off for being seeded 3.
     
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    Good. When Fed makes this kind of statements, he usually delivers.

    I wonder if it's some kind of pressure he deliberately puts on himself.
     
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    Yes,what Fed said is a common and logical opinion,Novak historically hasn't been that great on grass but with his amazing winning streak and sort of tennis he displayed this year you can't count him out as a contender even on his worst surface.
     
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    Blake and Tsonga.
     
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    Here's an interview in which he played "mind games" with Murray:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rh6IO_sZys

    Does that seem serious to you?

    Really whatever Fed said pales in comparison to the enormous pressure Murray always feels in the finals of a slam,I doubt it had any effect whatsoever.
     
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  37. dcdoorknob

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    It's impressive how some people don't let things like what was actually said and context get in the way of a good old Federer bashing.
     
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    Thanks for that, I forgot how hilarious that interview was. It's funny that people say Murray got affected by Fed's so called "mind games". So did Djoker play some mind games this year as well considering Murray was flat yet again in the final? :rolleyes:

    The problem is TF3's ridiculously sensationalist thread headline. That does make it sound a tad bad, but ofcourse when you realise he's talking about GRASS, it's a bit like, no kidding. Djoker has ofcourse been great, but nothing more on grass. And Federer pointed out that things could very well change considering the confidence he has this year.

    But as you said, this is TW, people see what they want to see. As always.
     
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    That was refereed to Djokovic on grass at Wimby and he is right but it's going to be a different story this year.
     
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    The OP just wanted federer look like bashing djoker... it's clearly that fed was talking about Nole's Grass court play, though nole reached 2 semis of Wimby, if you watch the game, it's not that excellent like in hardcourt/clay...but fed's said that now that Djoker is in Dominating form , djoker is a big threat...
     
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    LOL! You do the BEST Rafa impersonations! I could so hear him say this.
     
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    Yup, that's basically what Rafa would say. A polar 180 degrees from Fed. Federer is blatant and says what he thinks...Rafa is more PC...humble maybe...but not foolish (as he says so himself).
     
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    Darn, won't this Fred guy realize that his statements about others backfire. Or maybe he's trying to fire up Joker, so that Joker wins the title this time.
     
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    (This was a good idea from Fed. Djokovic is easily intimidated, he looked scared toiletless at Roland Garros)
     
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    I think trash talking is great to boost the audience interest for the sport, it augments the drama involved in one-on-one confrontations.

    If Djokovic is nothing extraordinary, on grass or in general, I wonder how the rest of the field below the top 4 feels then, heh. Those are some lofty standards indeed.

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    Yeah Federer would have been better off calling Novak the favorite to win.
     
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    Up to this point Novak hasn't been extraordinary on grass,Fed is dead right on this one.If Novak's form haven't been so amazing this year people wouldn't put him up there with Nadal and Fed as favourites for the title at Wimbledon.

    Novak did reach 2 Wimbledon SF but overall most of the time lost to the first inform grasscourt player he met,it is by far his worst surface.Murray is more natural on grass despite the fact that Novak is much more battle proven at the latest stages of slams which is why many put him above or equal to Murray as one of the favourites for the title.
     
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    taken from wimbledon.com
     
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    1) What is extraordinary? Where do we set the limit? Are Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick or Nalbandian extraordinary?

    2) Once the limit is set, whatever it is, why would you say publicly such or such player is not extraordinary?
     
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