Federer doesnt care about the best of 3s just as much as Serena

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  1. davey25

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    Lets face it. Federer basically tanks almost all the best of 3 events he is in today. If some dont like me putting it that way too bad, frankly speaking that is what he does. He puts in half assed efforts vs mediocre opponents he would never lose to (and rarely come close to losing to) in a slam. Now I am a Serena Williams fan but she to many extent does the same thing. The only difference is Federer gets a free pass for it, he never gets criticized for it. People say "he is saving himself for the slams" or even more ridiculously "so and so third tier or worse player was too good today" each time. Please. Federer doesnt give half a damn about the non slams. Which is fine, as long as if someone like Serena gets criticized for it he should as well, or if it is ok for him to save himself for the slams and give a half assed effort in all his best of 3 tournaments it should be for her as well. What double standards.
     
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    Yup, like Roger, Serena does not get warmed up until late into the 4th, sometimes 5th set.

    what ?
     
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    Um Serena always plays best of 3 whether it's a slam or not lol. But yeah we get what your saying. If it's not a slam Serena and Federer don't really give a hoot.
     
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  5. TheTruth

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    Fed cares. I can't see him giving a half effort. He's a perfectionist and a competitor. When it comes down to it, we all want to win. No one trains just to play four tournaments a year. In Serena's case I think it's true, because she doesn't even play a lot of tournaments outside of the slams. Whenever Fed wins a break point, or a set point he celebrates like everyone else. I think he wants to add as much as he can to his legacy. Why wouldn't he?
     
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  6. Justdoit10

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    Federer plays way better in grand slams. He doesnt walk into matches and make 60 unforced errors. For the past 2 years, these 3 set matches have yielded some dismal performances from fed.
     
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    Yep, at 6-5 in the 3rd set tie break, he decided that he didn't care about these masters LOL!!!

    Face it, Federer tried it and choked yet again. Baghdatis II.
     
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  8. icedevil0289

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    I think fed cares about these tournaments. Fed is just a lot more vulnerable in best of 3 compared to best of 5. He has had moments of where he has played poorly in grandslams as well, but because they are 5 sets, he has more time to recover. That's clearly not the case here. Fed's game has been patchy for a long time now and it's just more visible in best of 3. The other guys know this and take advantage.
     
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    Agreed.

    He also didn't care in the following matches.

    -First two sets against Haas at FO.
    -First 3 sets against DelPo at FO.
    -First two sets against Berdych at AO
    -First set and 6 games against Acasuso at FO
    -First set and 12 games and 8 points against Roddick at Wimbledon.
    -After two sets vs. Del Potro at US Open.
     
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  10. Justdoit10

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    Federer still wallops most people in straight sets even in best of 5 set matches. That is clearly not the case. His performances at grand slams are just way superior.
     
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    LOL then you are either crazy or you actually should watch some of the matches (not that someone should need to watch to figure out instantly what is happening when he is losing to completely mediocre players like Baghdatis, Berdych, Fish, Simon, Benneteau, and others with such regularity in Masters the last 2 years). Anyway sorry I worded this thread title wrong. You all know what I mean though.
     
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    The only difference between Serena and Federer is that Federer actually shows up, has a few exhibition like showings then gets beat by a good but not amazing opponent to leave early and have more time with his family.
     
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    yes they are superior because he peaks at slams, but there are also times where his game has been extremely patchy even in slams and he has paid poorly. He has found himself down 2 sets a few times and has had to fight back. The only difference is in best of 3 he would have been done, while in GS, he has chances to fight back.
     
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    That makes Serena actually more admirable since she atleast many times pulls out rather than wasting peoples time.
     
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    It's not about how much Federer cares about winning while he's playing the tournament, but about how many hours of practice he's willing to put in to prepare for the tournament. Federer peaks for the majors because he almost always takes one or two weeks off to only prepare for that one tournament. He doesn't or can't do that for every Masters tourney. Even if he wants to win his matches badly during the tournament, he might not be able to do so since he's been lacking some practice.
     
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    Excuse me but complete bull (to OP). Does playing an intense third set TB look like tanking to you?
    Fed would have lost AO 2009 to Berdych and RG 2009 to Haas if those matches had been best of 3. It is not a matter of motivation. In slams, Fed uses his fitness to outlast opponents when he is in trouble, that's all. He waits for them to get tired and then makes his move. When the match is shorter there are currently many players who can beat him.
     
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    Del Potro, Roddick, and when healthy Haas are actually really good players, and legitimate top players (aka they arent Baghdatis or Berdych). As for the Acasuso match he was never losing that one. Berdych at the AO, well flukes happen every once in awhile, which the mediocre Berdych leading a Federer who is actually trying is, and Federer still won anyway.
     
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    Maybe you're the one that's at fault, I don't expect Federer to win Masters like I do Grand Slams. I expect Nadal to win Masters since he's still young and wants to win these titles
     
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    Federer has tanked virtually all his Masters events for the last 2-3 years now. Now that he has the Slam records he wants he will do that even more often. If Nadal had 16 slams he would still play every event all out and not tank every non slam event like Federer does once he got older and was on the verge of reaching his goals. That is the biggest difference between Nadal and Federer, and why Nadal is much more of a true champion in a certain sense.
     
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    I don't know how you can watch Fed's body language as he plays; how tense he is; how re reacts to misses or to important points he wins, and come away thinking he doesn't care.

    You realize he's been in the US for weeks now, w/ babies, etc., practicing for hours, all to win 3 matches and watch his points tally drop as he tries to match Pete's #1 record?

    He cares, he's just struggling to win big points. As Rafa would say, he lacks "calm."
     
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    What was intense about it? All the **** easy shots sprayed out of court, LOL! You dont even like Federer so I dont know why you are defending him.
     
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    One doesn't need to like a player to defend him/her. It's called objectivity. Although that's not the first thing I think of when I think of veroniquem. No offense to her.
     
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    Contradictions galore.

    5 star multiple account troll thread.
     
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  24. Justdoit10

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    Excuse me but your post is complete bull. We all saw the atrocious 60 plus UE federer made today. Federer is not playing to his full capabilities. If this had been on Nadal, you wouldnt have stopped defending him like you have for his last dozen or so losses. :lol:
     
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    Players are obligated to play the Masters. If you dont play without a suitable excuse you are fined. Granted not that the fines would bother someone as rich as Federer, but it still isnt customary to just accept fines and keep pulling out and getting fined, so of he will make the token appearances at most, maybe pulling out with 2 or 3 a year with some "injury".
     
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    Yeah he would have lost to anyone in the top 100 today quite possibly. Actually his last round with Serra where he basically tried to hand over the match but Serra refused it (where is Serra ranked anyway) is further evidence to that.
     
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    Serena doesn't really get criticized for not trying in non-slam tournaments. She only gets criticized for this when she goes on about who the "real #1 is" when she was #2 back then.
     
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    A big reason why Federer has 16 slams and counting by age 28 is that he doesn't spend all his energy preparing for smaller tournaments. Also, if you recall, Federer was winning Masters titles left and right when he was Nadal's age.
     
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    Federer cared a lot today. You could see it in his body language and determination. However he lost his focus completely in the defining tiebreak. He made 4 or 5 UE with his forehand and that costed him the match, unfortunately.

    Truth is, Federer has never truly been a top clutch player when things are really tight. He can pull wins against the likes of Roddick pretty much because those guys are imo not very mentally strong but when he faces someone who forces him to come up with the shots, who forces him to actually win the match in the tight situations, then Federer's UE come to the stage.

    It saddens me a bit to say that because I love Federer but, well, it's just true.

    Tonight was the second match he lost in a third set tiebreak after having at least a match point in as many weeks. Whereas he didn't seem to care that much against Marcos, tonight he looked so sad when he came to the net. Almost seemed to be on the verge of crying. I really hope this defeat doesn't affect him too much. Stuff like this can really hurt one's confidence.
     
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  30. TheTruth

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    ^^^
    Read above then. There's a lot of crazy people on this thread. Many agree he cares. Did you see his reaction when he won the second set? He doesn't care? That would be asinine, knowing you can beat 95% of the tour and rack up title after title, just to say, "no. I'll enter this, but I don't care if I win it or not."

    Most great players get better as the tournament goes on. Th early rounds are always the best chance for upsets. When the lower ranked players haven't been given byes and are more used to the conditions and playing surfaces.

    In a grand slam tourney, the champions usually rise to the challenge, and have more experience in getting to the finish line. Most great players play patchy early rounds. It happens all the time, but on the final day, when there's so much at stake, they usually settle their nerves and perform at their highest level. That's what separates the men from the boys.
     
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    In my point of view, you're the one defending him right now because you're saying that if Fed had really wanted to win that match, he could have and I'm saying he can't. It's a matter of format (3 vs 5 sets) not a matter of motivation (all Fed fans claim Fed "tanks" because they never want to admit he gets outplayed lol) Fed would have lost AO 2009 to Berdych if instead of 5 it had been 3 sets, so that has nothing to do with tanking. It has to do with whether you can wait until the opponent's level goes down or you have to strike right away, which Fed can't anymore vs a number of players.
     
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    So Berdych is more mentally strong than Roddick?
     
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    Serena shows emotion as she is tanking virtually all her non slam events these days to (and yes even as a Serena fan I concede that is what she does now mostly, focusing on the slams). It doesnt stop everyone from realizing she doesnt really care if the event isnt 1 of the 4 slams, maybe for her Miami (that is a special event for her in a way it isnt for Federer), the WTA Championships, and maybe the Olympics. The only difference is she gets alot of heat for it, while Federer gets a free pass, because she is Serena and people hold her to a different standard than anyone else.
     
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    Voice of reason.
     
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    Agree. His celebration when he won the second set said it all. Even the commentator made a remark about it, and how this blog was talking about Fed didn't care. He cared. I think that is total hogwash, as well.
     
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    lol. Quite a bit of generalization don't you think? I certainly don't and btw the OP is not a fed fan at all. In fact I'm pretty sure he doesn't like him.

    Btw I find it funny you're making generalizations about fed fans and excuses, as if nadal fans don't make excuses themselves, including you.
     
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    That's true. Over the past 3 years, Federer has usually performed better in GS than in MS. However, while some people try to present the rather stupid idea that he doesn't care about MS and because of that he loses more often in those tournaments, I think that he does care quite a bit but he doesn't have the mental comfort of knowing that he can recover his level while playing the match and that makes him more error-prone and nervous. Hence the bigger amount of UE per set.
     
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    Actually Roger and Serena are equal in the sense that they make sure the tennis crew doesn't go hungry. Federer feeds the ballkids pizza while Serena feeds the linepersons tennis balls.
     
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    No but tonight he certainly was.
     
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    Haas and Berdych were not tired in those matches, Federer wore them down mentally by keeping them out on the court. Haas has great fitness, he's just injury plagued.
     
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    I used to be a Federer fan but in 2004-2006 but you are right I dont like him now, and am certainly not a fan at this moment. In fact I cant stand the guy for the last couple years. It also annoys me that anyone would rate him as a better player than Sampras when it really has been made clear his overall abilities as a tennis player come nowhere near Pete Sampras. Anyway, I still I wouldnt accuse him of doing things like tanking best of 3s if it wasnt obvious to me that was what he was doing. And it wouldnt bother me at all if he wasnt getting a free pass from it from his blind fanatics , while Serena who nearly everyone hates gets raked over the coals for doing the same thing.
     
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    lol you mean you were a fan of him when he was winning everything left and right. We have a name for people like you "gloryhunter".
     
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    Even if he wanted to, Federer could not win every match he plays. Sometimes he is going to lose. There are enough quality players out there to cause upsets from time to time.
     
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    Really? LOL. I certainly did not get this memo.
     
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    You must a terribly annoyed individual.
     
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    I think Federer cares quite a bit about the masters events actually.If not for anything else-most certainly for his ranking which I'm sure he wants to keep up.
     
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    No, if that were the case I would have started liking him when he won 3 of the last 4 slams. I still dont like. The reasons I stopped liking him are:

    1. His ego and at times lack of class which wasnt as apparent to me before became more apparent when things started to go not so well vs him, especialy when Nadal began to really challenge him and gain supremacy over him. Then the crying act at the 2009 AO ceremony which I was not impressed by personally.

    2. Some of his prissier behavior. For example that ridiculous manpurse at Wimbledon, etc...Sorry I just dont like that sort of thing.

    3. Analazying his game closer I came to realize his not as expertly complete a player as he was made out to be, and that was me like many others buying into alot of the hype which was crowning him tennis GOAT when he had only won 4 slams.

    There are other reasons but those are just a start.
     
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    That's too bad, because it's blatantly obvious he is a better player than Sampras.
     
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    Federer isnt even often losing to quality players in Masters. He is losing to players like Mardy Fish, Julien Benneteau, Ivo Karlovic, Gilles Simon, Marcos Baghdatis (oh I know the majorly fluke AO final will be brought up now, LOL), Tomas Berdych, Stanislas Wawrinka. It would be one thing if he actually was losing to quality players in Masters.
     
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    The statement appears to be true in Serena's case. She withdraws. Plays a limited schedule. Shows up at the grand slams and works her way into the draw. In this case, I would say her actions support this theory.

    In Federer's case. He shows up and doesn't play too well in the early rounds, a situation not peculiar to him. Most top players don't play well in the early rounds. Fed is a rhythm player. The longer a match or a tournament goes, the better he will get. The early rounds are the best times to take advantage of top players, unfortunately many of them can't, or don't do it. He cares, but like the other top players he is vulnerable in the beginning of the tournament. This is where the majority of upsets occur.

    People give Serena heat for any and everything she does. I doubt it interrupts her sleep patterns though.
     
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