Federer Fans: What would you like Federer to finish with, ideally but realistically?

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  1. The_Order

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    This crap about grass being slow just because Rafa did well at Wimbledon.

    He plays differently at wim than rg it's too bad you don't notice the subtle changes he makes to his game to adapt.

    We had an 11 hour match with both players hitting 100 aces and you call that a slow surface?
     
  2. _craze

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    An Olympic medal.
     
  3. zagor

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    Have to agree, is Wimbledon slower than the 90s? Definitely but at worst it's the 2nd fastest slam today behind USO (and I have my doubts about that).
     
  4. tusharlovesrafa

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    USO faster than wimbly??..lol..Wimbledon is way faster than US and you can tell that just by the naked eye.
     
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    Of course it is but that's not saying much considering how slow the other 3 slams are. That doesn't change the fact that it HAS slowed down. Read the article I posted earlier.
     
  6. The_Order

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    I think Wimbledon starts off as the fastest but as the tournament goes on and the blades get worn, it gets a little slower.

    So, imo first week WIM faster than USO, second week USO faster than WIM (but only slightly).
     
  7. mariecon

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    15 years ago there would never have been an 11 hour match. I rest my case.
     
  8. zagor

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    Dear lord, what a load of crap.

    Fed got edged out last year by Delpo and Novak indoors but he still reached WTF final (and beat Murray in SF) and those were his first losses indoors in almost 3 years (IIRC), ever since 2010 indoors HC is arguably Fed's best surface.

    Even at Wimbledon last year Fed started playing noticeably better against Murray in the final when the roof closed (in Murray's own words it helped Fed be more aggressive off the ground).

    Seriously, you're getting ridiculous with your Fed's a CC specialist shtick.
     
  9. zagor

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    Well that was always the case in Wimbledon by the 2nd week.

    Agree, that's probably the best way to put it.
     
  10. Prisoner of Birth

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    That's sort of a silly thing to say. The reason the match lasted so long was because there were no breaks of serve, which suggests the surface was fast.
     
  11. The_Order

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    No one is disputing that it is slower than the 90's. But that doesn't mean it's a slow surface. So rest your case somewhere else where it's relevant.
     
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    And what exactly is YOUR case? That the USO is faster than Wimbledon? What a load of crap.
     
  13. The_Order

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    So you don't think WIM slows down in the second week? Do you watch tennis or not? There's hardly any grass on the baseline area by the time the qtrs start. LOL.
     
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    Slams from fastest to slowest:
    1- Wimbledon
    2- USO
    3- AO
    4- RG
     
  15. mariecon

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    That doesn't mean it's slower than the USO. It means it's slower than in the first week and that's all. LOL.

    And BTW the reason there's no grass left at the baseline is because serve and volley is dead. If you look at matches from before 2000 you will notice the worn grass is at the net and leading to the net as well as the baseline. No more.
     
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    Yeah, that was evident even back in 2006/2007, he stands a bit closer to the baseline on the return of serve, flattens out his FH more etc.

    The grass at Wimbledon changed but it still favours serving, athleticism and shotmaking, Nadal is a terrific athlete and shotmaker and his serve is far more effective on grass than on any other surface.
     
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    No it's not a silly thing to say. In the days of serve and volley on grass there's no way a match would have gone on that long. It just became ridiculous. Mahut and Isner eventually were just serving and the guy across the net was too exhausted to do anything with the serve. That's why they couldn't break for hours on end.
     
  18. The_Order

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    I know the reason it gets worn and I know S&V caused the worn grass at the net.

    BUT without a lot of grass in the most dominant area where the ball gets hit, it isn't as fast as USO.
     
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    The match was long because the surface was fast. It's as simple as that, really.
     
  20. The_Order

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    But they weren't too exhausted to keep bombing those aces in. Interesting...
     
  21. mariecon

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    Well we both agree it's the fastest surface but there's no way you're going to tell me it's as fast as in the 90's. All the surfaces have slowed down, except clay and maybe Cincy and a couple of others.
     
  22. The_Order

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    For the second time, nobody is disputing the fact that it was faster in the 90's.
     
  23. mariecon

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    Did you even watch the match?
    You explain it then. They played for 11 hours and didn't get tired? Really? Mahut wasn't exactly an ace leader that year. He only had 178 all year and 103 of them were in that one match. So how do you explain his serving prowess in that match? You don't think it could have been that Isner was just too exhausted to get some of them back and vise versa? Isner had over 1000 aces that year by contrast. He should have served Mahut off the court.
     
  24. Prisoner of Birth

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    Yes, it's slower than in the 90s. But still the fastest Grand Slam.
     
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    Look if the courts were the same speed as say when Pistol Pete was playing Fed would have won like 10 wimbys by now.....

    And about 8 Us Opens /..../

    Rafa would never have had a chance to win even one wimby and had a way less chance at the US Open.

    Its unlucky that Fed ran into tennis losing popularity .

    Which is why the authorities slowed down the courts made the balls heavier in order to increase rallies.

    Fed would have had like 25 Grand slams by now.
     
  26. Fiji

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    One more Wimbledon would be great.

    I prefer even numbers. 8 and 18.

    What about 2 and 18?

    Or 6 and 18?
     
  27. ultradr

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    1. USO
    2. AO - (AO official's claimed their plexicushion is 2nd fastest slam after USO's DecoTurf)
    3. Wimbledon (especially 2nd week)
    4. RG

    Players disagree with ITF's pace rating but here are AO officials' claim:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/7178646.stm

    Faster than Wimbledon's grass, according to Tiley.

    Plexicushion has a speed rating of 34 to 38, which defines it as medium-fast on the International Tennis Federation's pace-rating scale.

    Tiley said: "Wimbledon is actually slower and the French Open (on clay) is obviously very slow.

    "So we are faster than Wimbledon, faster than the French, and a little bit below the US Open."

    But despite Tiley's claims, players who have already tried the courts at Melbourne Park think they are currently slower than the old Rebound Ace surface.
     
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  28. THE FIGHTER

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    ideally 0. realistically 18-10
     
  29. ultradr

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    I am sticking to my prediction that Federer this year will do his best at French,
    the slowest slam.
     
  30. axel89

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    0 anything higher would be dumb
     
  31. Towser83

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    Oh dear. POB went mad, resurrected 100 threads from 2009, which all got deleted I think (shame that they had to be wiped out because of excessive bumping) and of course he is banned. Why do people do it? :lol:
     
  32. mariecon

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    Who is POB?
     
  33. Towser83

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    prisoner of birth, the poster who started this thread.
     
  34. DragonBlaze

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    Lol I did warn him. Shame actually since some of those threads were golden :lol:.

    I'm guessing it's just a temporary ban though.
     
  35. Clarky21

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    Slower than the AO? I have my doubts about that.
     
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  37. Povl Carstensen

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    It has been discussed a lot, and more or less agreed that slower courts is a disadvantage to Federer, and an advantage to retrievers/pushers/counterpunchers.
     
  38. Povl Carstensen

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    And I am on the icing on the cake part. And just great that he keeps the motivation. Lol at people saying he's in it for the money, etc.
     
  39. Phoenix1983

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    I think he would want 1 more French above 1 more US. Especially if that involved beating Nadal or Djokovic in the final.
     
  40. Magnus

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    Federer might have one more slam in him, something I doubt very much. I just don't see him winning a lot more big titles. He is officially surpassed by the likes of Murray and Djokovic, and its about time that happens in the age of 31 and a half. I can see Fed winning one more WTF, but its going to get tricky. FO and AO are out of the question as far as slams go, W and USO are the probable choices.

    As for MS titles, maybe one or two more on hard courts - that's it.
     
  41. mariecon

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    oh ok thanks.
     
  42. mariecon

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    Definitely. It would round out his resume nicely.
     
  43. Towser83

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    he took leave of his senses! And yeah some of those threads were interesting. oh well.

    you're welcome, i should have just typed his full username instead of initials, being too influenced by internet trends.
     

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