Federer Filling Boring No. 1 Niche Vacated by Sampras

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  1. sseemiller

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    I didn't write the article; I'm just posting it, figuring it would get a discussion going. It raises some great points.

    It's by Richard Vach at http://www.tennis-x.com. Which is a site all serious tennis fans should visit on a regular basis, IMHO. (And I don't know Richard or anyone else at that site.)

    Here's the article:

    Sitting through a Roger Federer post-match press conference, there are times you want to shake him to see if he has a pulse -- either that, or you marvel at the thoughtful insight and wit levied by the new ruler of men's tennis. Attending to the various pressures of the No. 1 ranking on his own terms, Club Fed's cool demeanor reminds one of another laid-back former No. 1.

    "I think I'm living a very exciting life right now," Federer says.

    While American serving machine Andy Roddick speaks of his appearance on Saturday Night Live, dating singer/actress Mandy Moore, and parachuting out of airplanes with coach Brad Gilbert, the Swiss tells of quiet dinners with his girlfriend and checking in on his cow, Juliette, a gift from the ATP Gstaad event last year upon winning the title. Only ardent American tennis fans would recognize Federer on the street, which is fine by the Swiss.

    "What is my goal in my life?" Federer said. "It's not to be walking down New York City and everybody starts screaming. It's not my goal in life. What I'm doing is enjoying tennis. And if, you know, people enjoy watching me, you know, that is for me more important than anything else. I have very many people coming up to me, you know, where I'm staying around this week, which come to me and say, 'I love your game. My son admires you. You're his favorite player.' These are the things I enjoy hearing.

    "What it takes to be a superstar in the States, I don't know what it takes because I'm not from here. Only different people could help me to do that." Hello, ATP media machine?

    The situation is similar to another former No. 1 who preferred to let his racquet do the talking, and thought that the artistry of winning titles was plenty enough to give back to fans and the game. Federer's view echoes that of the man he is supposed to "replace," with fans pegging the all-court Swiss as the "next Pete Sampras."

    "But I don't want to be the next Pete Sampras, I want to be Roger Federer," says the Swiss.

    Federer's popularity in his home country is immense, and he has been referred to as the "Michael Jordan of Switzerland" on more than one occasion. Even more quiet and reserved when he first emerged on tour in the late 1990's, Club Fed has slowly loosened up, and while appearing reserved to fans, he has become one of the more popular and likable players in the locker room.

    "He's a fun guy," said American Mardy Fish, who Federer pasted 6-4, 6-1 in the early rounds at Indian Wells. "You know, he never seems like he's down. He's a very approachable guy, that's for sure. He likes to joke around. He's always laughing and stuff. Yeah, he's very easy to joke around with."

    And while the No. 1 mantle, gained this past January, has forced him even further into the spotlight, it remains to be seen whether the private Swiss will take an overtly pro-active role in furthering the game, or like Sampras, keep the public at arm's length and just opt to watch some Lakers game at home on TV.

    "I want to enjoy this moment while I'm No. 1 as much as I can, you know, meet a lot of people, you know, experience, take it with me for also after tennis," Federer says. "This is for me really what I've been working for hard. And obviously now that I've, you know, won Slams and become No. 1 in the world, it's trying to stay where I am and obviously reach the same emotions like I did in Wimbledon."

    Those emotions involved breaking down with tears of joy during the Wimbledon trophy presentation, endearing him to fans worldwide who had been waiting for the Swiss to get "over the hump," to win that first slam and become the confident player behind the raw talent. Federer then went on to win the year-ending Masters Cup and finish the year at No. 2, just points behind year-end No. 1 Andy Roddick.

    "I'm definitely a guy who is rather calm on the outside on the tennis court, but very emotional inside," Federer said. "I showed everything that was going on inside of myself at the presentation of the trophy in Wimbledon...You know, I'm happy when I make a good shot. But I always have my moments of disappointment when I miss. But for me I'm at a point where I don't need to show this. I need to keep my emotions under control. I have the feeling if I show too much, you know, it might hurt me for the next match. The emotion's left. I want to keep everything till the end. This is just the way I feel right now. It makes me feel good. I like the way I behave, myself. I think that is the most important."

    After claiming the top shelf spot during the first month of 2004, Fed has had to deal with a new level of popularity, if not in the U.S., then globally.

    "The media side -- before I thought I was already doing a lot, but that was mostly in Switzerland," Federer said. "Now the whole international press is also chasing me. That's just things you're not used to before. Maybe not speaking in the interviews in your proper language also maybe makes it a little bit difficult for me sometimes. Everywhere I go, people recognize me more often now. That sometimes is tough."

    Even before Andy Roddick won the 2003 US Open and catapulted to No. 1, American fans and the tennis media had dubbed him "the future of American tennis," a weighty proposition at best, and a whole hell of a lot of pressure at worst. Roddick has since slumped to No. 3 on the ATP Rankings. Juan Carlos Ferrero, who with Roddick and Federer comprised the "Three Kings" in their race for the 2003 year-end No. 1 ranking, has also since fallen by the wayside, besieged by injuries and poor play after a long 2003 season took its toll.

    Now Federer, after already winning at the Australian Open and Dubai this year, is looking to put his foot down and put even more distance between himself and the No. 1 contenders, threatening to make 2004 a one-man race. The Swiss' on-court game has blossomed, but it remains to be seen if his off-court persona will be embraced by Americans as it has in Europe. Tennis in the U.S. can use all the help it can get in the way of personalities, and Federer is the first to plead his own case.

    "I'm a funny guy, I'm outgoing, you can have a lot of fun with me," Federer said. "I can hang out."

    So here you have a No. 1 player who is misunderstood, but rarin' to go. Where are the Jay Leno and David Letterman appearances, the magazine photo spreads, the candy bars named after the Swiss? Don't they make chocolate there or something? Time for the ATP to take a break from handing out nandrolone and get Federer in a Taco Bell commercial -- there's a new tennis personality to be marketed, a guy who can hang out.

    Richard Vach is a senior writer for Tennis-X.com.
     
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  2. eric draven

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    It's unfortunate that only true tennis fans really appreciate the emergence of his amazing talent. Maybe the American media will prove me wrong this time but I can count on one hand the number of television commercials I remember Sampras being in for Nike, Dannon, Rado (or was it Movado?) watches, and his Pizza Hut commercial with Johnny Mac. If there were others there weren't a whole lot of them. There is no denying the talent of Roddick but are we so centrist that American marketing just can't embrace a foreign sports star with such positive characterisitics? We need to make such positive and talented people that are a part of our sport more recognizable to the casual fan. It's the job of the ATP, ITF, and USTA to make these guys more appealing in their marketing of them to the public and sponsors that can get them the recognition they deserve.
     
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  3. bfonz7

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    I think it will be very soon, within the year, that America warms up to Federer when he wins Wimlbedon and the US Open. He's got the game, hes got the grace, he has the personality, but if America is looking for another Roddick in Federer then they are terriblly wrong. Im a long time Roddick fan, but Federer is quickly climbing my respectability list. fast.
     
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    America will never warm-up to the Fed, through no fault of his own. Americans, and American advertising agencies aren't interested at all in any of the following:

    -People who speak English with a foreign accent (the exception being clowns or larger than life "characters" like Ah-nald)

    -People who don't have an arrest record for drugs, wife beating, DWI, bar brawls, club hopping, etc.

    -People who don't dress, talk or act like a**-clowns, or act very cocky, rude and overly self-assured (and don't forget the tatoos)

    -People who don't have torrid affairs (with members of the OPPOSITE sex-preferably bombshells)

    -People who aren't extremely good looking (i.e. people who DON'T look like most Americans-or anybody for that matter)

    There are others that I probably missed.

    Hence, the solid citizen Roger-the quintessential "Grey Man", a guy with class who doesn't "diss" his opponents or jump out of airplanes (and talk about it) is doomed to the dustbin of American marketing pariahs. He's not an attention who*e-he just PLAYS.

    This is not a criticism of Agassi or Roddick or any of the media darlings who pass most of the tests above-it's just the American way. Federer is just going to have to make due with incredible talent and the potential to be the GOAT, if he maintains his wits and motivation and stays healthy. Personally, I think that's enough.

    Fortunately for him, he IS NOT American, which assures him the MASSIVE recognition he deserves (and probably more than he cares to put up with) in his home country. If Pete Sampras had not been an American, he would have long ago been annointed a demigod in whatever country he was from.
     
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  5. Phil

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    Just so you know, the filter caught the word "co-ky" and turned it into "peepee"; LOL.
     
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  6. jjames

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    maybe federer needs a sexual assault charge.
     
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  7. 10s

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    oh, hee hee, that was funny
     
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  8. Hawaii 5.0

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    Not to belittle Andy in any way, but Roddick is the future of American tennis and Roger Federer is the future of TENNIS itself.He will achieve and leave a legacy with or without American approval.Whether we give him celebrity status or take him in as our own he can only be who he is and he's only one man.I don't feel sorry for Roger(in fact I'm a huge fan), but I feel sorry for the ignorant tennis fans who refuse to accept and respect for his image or non-marketability.We are humans first and we play tennis and are fans of tennis and good tennis play and many of us live in the US,and the order should never be changed.
     
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  9. jings

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    Give the guy a break. First off he's the biggest waste of talent that the tennis world has ever seen, flakey, all washed up and no head for the big occaision. Now 9 months later after lifting Wimbledon, TM Cup and Australian Open, beating all previous bogeymen on court, becoming number one by Woods like margin and showing an all court mastery of the game that I struggle to draw any comparison with in my tennis vocabulary, he's supposed to be all over magazines, TV shows, adverts and in court for some misdemeanour. For a start off his on court manner doesn't get close to Sampras - he smiles, he has a joke, he pumps his fist, he speaks out loud more than once a match ... he's 21 or whatever for "Pete's" sake.

    This sort of article is poor journalism, couched in the guise of the ATP must do something. It's just a direct go at Federer, simple as. I for one admire his on court grace, humour and sportsmanship. You can't tell if he's just lost his serve or broken an opponent. His talent for the game speaks for itself on these boards I trust.
     
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  10. sliceroni

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    That Matress Mac incident speaks for itself. Totally ignorant. Roger's personality is laid back, approuchable and so easy going that I don't think he'll care what tennis fans (American only) will think of him. On the other side of the globe he's already an icon. An interview after the match on ESPN last week from P-smack "Roger, what do you have to do to get more known in the States?" Federer laughing and smiling " you know, maybe Letterman or Leno" Federer WILL leave behind a legacy while his peers Roddick will be known as one slam (maybe 2) slam wonders. Can't wait to see how Fedex does on clay. We have yet to see Federer dip into his A-plus game this year.
     
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  11. SonicSpeed

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    nice article...biased, but hey
     
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    he is a good guy. very good with the fans veryy approachable. He doesent bad mouth anyone else. and isnt full of himself.

    He says Becker was his idol and has somewhat of the same game and personality
     
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  13. Camilio Pascual

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    What Phil wrote is insightful and true. The media wants a circus that highlights the freakshow. Which means that's what the PEEPUL want, too. I'm a big Roddick (but not PMac) fan and like Ferrero a lot, too. I've chosen to root against Roger Federer, but not because I dislike him in any way. He is the great and respectable opponent against whom the accomplishments of my favourite players can be measured. I want him to beat my guys sometimes and become a Hall of Famer along with my guys. Roger's tennis is very interesting and effective.
     
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  14. pound cat

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    Thanks Phil...well put. All part of the dumming down phenomenon. And it's beginning to creep North although slowly, because many Canadian aspirants to fame & fortune who fit your criteria go the the US as soon as possible. Then we get to watch them on American TV stations. (Hi Alex, sports for $200)
     
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    Although, most of what has been said here is true, it is also very sad to me. Why isn't it enough to let your racquet do the talking? Roger isn't a movie star, he isn't a rock star, he's not a late night tv talent. He is a tennis player. A great tennis player with the potential to do things in the game that have never been done before. Why isn't that enough? I would prefer he stays relatively unknown in the states, if he just keeps doing what he is doing. I know that I am in the minority here, but I love tennis, it's that simple. I don't care what country or what language a person comes from. I speak and understand the universal language of serves, volleys, forehands, and backhands.

    Marketing Roger and putting him on tv could potentially make him more recognizable and put more fans in the seat, and possibly entice more viewers to turn on ESPN, but they still won't be tennis fans. They still won't be speaking my language. They won't know what they are watching. They will just be watching because everybody else is. I find that whole scene to be very, very sad.
     
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  16. Cypo

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    There's a great quote from Lendl about Pete Sampras to the effect of "why is he criticized for being a decent person and a great tennis player"

    Pound Cat - is that natural selection?

    Boris - I realise that Boris is your hero, but there's nothing similar about BB and Federer - BB was a lumbering bear on the court (with a weebbles wobble but they don't fall down serve - still love that :lol:.)
     
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  17. bfonz7

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    Well put BallMachine, tennis is a universal language that only tennis players/fans understand
     
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  18. tomahawk

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    I think the only way Roger Federer will be remembered by everyone is when he leaves the game. Just like Sampras, now everyone in the tennis game recognizes how great he really was. Because Federer is like Sampras (isn't it funny that Federer is very emotional inside, sounds like Pete) I have a feeling he'll be treated the same way. The only difference is that Pete was from the US and Fed is from Switzerland. So off the bat he won't be getting much plug from the US. Sad though, I wish people in the US would warm up to him.
     
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  19. yee

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    Just thought maybe this will indicate something? Federer just won the ATP fans' favourite 2003.

    I honestly think it's only some idiotic and lazy media trying to stir up the controversy. Roger is nothing like Pete, not his game neither his personality. These US media and reporters should start recognizing that and stop labelling any foreign players who come along that don't swear, shout or smash racquets as boring. For gods sake, I don't think they had even done any research or get any personal interview with Roger to come up with stupid conclusion.
     
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    Phil,

    Best post you've ever made. "Pee pee" LOL. So that's what happens when you type cocky?
     
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  21. chad shaver

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    co*ky=peepee. I love it. How about co*k=****.
    How about the big, fighting rooster, also known as a gamecock?
    OK, I'm going to stop messing with the filter, now.
     
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  22. david aames

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    Or is it the filter messing with you? ;)
     
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  23. @wright

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    "dumming down" LOL, people are so stoopid
     
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  24. Ronaldo

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    Maybe if Roger entered the stadium on a Harley...............nah, been done. Signed autographs in a wedding dress, nah. Give every fan the finger, nah. Play in those old short shorts from the 70s, nah. Kick a photographer in the groin, nah. Wear a leather snap-on catsuit and have a fan accidently remove part of his wardrobe revealing a piercing in a codpiece.........that's the ticket.
     
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  25. Free_Martha

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    Just once, I would like to see Roger lose his composure on court and smash his racket or do something completely out of character like that. It would be fun to watch. :)
     
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  26. Ronaldo

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    Hopefully, Fedex doesn't go into that ZONE like McEnroe in 1984 where even the best players look one dimensional doorstops in his wake. A year of boring finals.
     
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    hee hee you are a very funny man. I want to be like you.
     
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  28. Phil

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    See, Martha, that's what I'm talking about. Fed and other "class acts" are not out there to behave like imbeciles for your benefit (says something about you, doesn't it?). They just play; at one time, that's ALL a tennis fan ever expected-for a player to play the game well. I'll admit that characters and mental cases diversify the game, but there are SEVERAL Anna clones in the wings, and Goran's shirt tearing act was interesting to watch for a couple times, but I've only seen ONE Fed, and no one remotely like him-gamewise. If you want wraslin', you know which cable station to tune to.


    Chad and Camilio - Thanks for the compliment. Now I know that some fun can be had with the filter. I'm gonna have to think of other words that the filter may alter-how about tennis players named D*ck, as in Stockton, or we can start calling Richard Gasquat THAT. That is so CRA*S of me...
     
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    Just one thing to add, I used the word courtside earlier, and as you can see, it was censored. :lol:

    The word that was censored is court side; only I didn't have a space between court and side. I was talking about photographers who were beside the court taking photos.

    Talk about profanity. :lol:
     
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  30. Cypo

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    Susan, didn't you post an article on the old board about how Roger was a terror on the court as a youngster and had to learn to channel his energy ? I guess I remember it because it's so hard to imagine that now.
     
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    Sampras too I believe was a great "tomahawker" of racquets into trees, back boards, etc in his early days... and then just stopped one day, and never threw a racquet or tantrum again.
     
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  32. PugArePeopleToo

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    It's not just the US media. Go to BBC's tennis site, Tim Henman is way more covered than Federer or Roddick. If you go to Thailand, more folks will know about Srichaphan than Federer, Roddick and Henman combined. People just want to root for home grown players.
     
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  33. The Franchise

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    Yes Pug, you are correct. But remember, the whiners and complainers on this board don't care about such logic, they just want to whine and complain.
     
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  34. chad shaver

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    Federer said in an interview (I believe it was in Tennis Magazine) that he used to get really mad and throw tantrums. Seems like he said that he suddenly realized one day how pointless his tantrums were, and decided to behave.
     
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    Yes, that's true. But the difference is that other media wouldn't be idiots enough to compare their home grown boys' to those of others, and then come to conclusion that the foreign players are boring and have no personality compare to their own to be marketed here. See the difference? Go read some US articles in IW about Federer and you'll get some clue what I meant. They can't stop comparing him to Andre, Andy and insist how boring and lack of charisma Federer is, also how he can't attract fans like the other 2.

    Obviously the thai will love Paradorn (in fact they worship him) more than any, and the Swiss of federer (he's so big in Switz that the coming 10,000 DC tickets got snapped up in less than half an hour) than Andre. Does that mean Andre and others are boring and can't be marketed there compare to Paradorn or Federer? Idiots...it's all about complimenting and not comparing.
     
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  36. PugArePeopleToo

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    Huh? Are you suggesting other nations sport journalism are examples of unbias reporting? Excuse me while I die laughing. I have no idea what IW is, and why this IW is suppose to be the US media by default? At any rate, if Federer prefers to be low profiled while Roddick elects otherwise, it's not IW's fault for pointing out the obvious, isn't it? Still don't get it? You see, it's like this: Check on cow, boring; jump out of airplane, date hot babe not boring.

    A bit of reality check for you, tennis is not a popular sport in the US. When Americans talk about A-Rod, they are talking about Alex Rodriguez, not Andy Roddick. Other than Agassi and Anna Kornekova, a non-American, the general public care little about tennis players, Roddick, Federer or anyone else. As great of a tennis player as Sampras was, he was less marketable than Agassi. It has nothing to do with foreign players not complimenting US players; it's has everything to do with business wanting more bangs for their bucks. If a athlete can be marketed in the US, he will be. In the NBA Yao Ming, in LPGA Anneka Sorenstam, have done well in the US market, even though they both have foreign accent, have not been arrested, have no tatoo or peepee attitude.
     
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    You so miss my point. Did I say IW is supposed to be the US media??? I was just giving an example. Did I say other nations sport won't have unbias reporting? I just say they won't be stupid enough to compare the popularity of the obvious. Did I say tennis is popular in US? I only said for those who care enough.

    Oh yeah, jump out of airplane : not boring??? One US reporter asked Ferrero in his interview : "what do you thinking of jumping out of airplane?" Ferrero said :"sorry, excuse me?" Idiotic repoter asked again :"You know like Andy, jumping out of plane?" Ferrero said (in his usual boring tone) :"oh yeah, I had done it before, few years back" Idiotic reporters :".......*quiet*..." Results : Ferrero still boring as hell. *ding ding ding*??? The point is that nobody cares enough to get to know these players before labelling them as boring...get it???

    Try telling the Swiss Andy is much more interesting than Roger in Switzerland, jumping out of plane, date hot babe...yeah right, so interesting. As boring as Roger is, he still wins the fans' favourite. The reason why Yao Ming can be marketed in US is because NBA is obviously much bigger than tennis as you had said, that probably has very little thing to do with how interesing yao ming is. So my point is say it's difficult to market other foreigh players in US because itself is not a popular sport (heck they have hard time even trying to promote the sport despite how interesting Andy or Andre is) but not because the foreign players are boring as hell, get it?

    Maybe you just need very simple example to see what I was really trying to say in previous post :

    "Federer? US fans like Andre more" (one eg of article with this title) duh...the US like Andre even more than Andy, how does that justify Federer as boring?

    "Andre? Swiss like Federer more" Will there be any idiotic Swiss reporters who's gonna come out with this type of title and give everybody a good laugh???
     
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  38. pound cat

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    The only male non-American player who's a US media darling is Safin. And he's Russian!! Of course besides having great talent and potential , he is his own soap opera, therapy show, American idol, Mr. Universe, and stand-up comedy routine rolled into one. Goran is also newsworthy for some of the same reasons. Poor Roger, all he has is a perfect game and maturity. How boring.
     
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  39. pound cat

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    And speaking of stoopid, @wright. Ecer read Flowers for Algernon? I guyess not.
     
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    I dint think you wur allooding to Flowers of Algernon, just making shore. It is an intresting buk tho.
     
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  41. PugArePeopleToo

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    Yee,

    If you are saying other nation's sport journalists do not write stupid stuffs such as "compare the popularity of the obvious", you are just not PC enough or your PCness is only direct at the US press.

    Last night ESPN did a segment on Agassi and Sampras, and one of the things mentioned was that Agassi was flashy, and Sampras lacked personality, read boring. Thank goodness Sampras is an Amercian, otherwise PC police of the world would have flip their collective lid.
     
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    Well if I'm not PC enough (whatever hell that means), then why not find me an article with similar title as the one I posted, maybe from Switzerland or Thailand?

    What does Agassi and Sampras comparison has anything to do with my point??? I wasn't even arguing the fact that Roger is more popular than Andre in US, heck he probably is more popular than Roger (or any other players) in anywhere else except Switzerland NOW. I'm only talking about that stupid comparison of Andre popularity with Roger at this stage in their tennis life in Andre home country, the great America just to justify that Roger is boring and lack of charisma. There are plenty of arguments that can be used to say Roger is boring I toally agree, but to justify that by comparing his popularity vs Andre in US is just plain bias and stupid. How difficult is that for you to undestand???
     
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  43. PugArePeopleToo

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    PC, politcally correct, someone who takes a meaningless statement and gets all bend out of shape. If you don't know the term, then most likely you are not from the US. Presumably you are Asian. If you read Chinese, then I suggest you to peruse their coverage of Houston Rockets. Bias and stupid reports are not exclusive to the US. Which part of that you don't get?
     
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  44. yee

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    Thank you for telling me what PC means. I can only think that you must be so PC correct for assuming that since I don't know what PC means, and probably because my name is yee, so I'm Asian. Few points to made before I close my discussion with you :

    1) I'm not about to start reading some basketball (which I'm totally not interested in) coverage reports just to prove YOUR point. If you want to prove I'm bias for only critising the US media for coming out with idiotic articles such as the one I posted, find me one with similar effect from elsewhere.

    2) I assume once again your PCness make you think that I'm anti US to be critical about the US media. Wrong, I'm just anti-idiotic and irresponsible media/reporters.

    3) No doubt there're always bias reports, such as finding excuses when their favourite lost etc etc. I read plenty of those from everywhere. But I just had not read an article who's stupid enough to come out with the title and contents as the one I had pointed elsewhere. And I had explained in depth why is it so stupid imo.

    4) Believe it or not, if I do come across another such stupid and bias one, be it US or non US, I'll post it here and critisize it to death.

    Finally, I believe I'm PCness enough to accept if you still think otherwise.
     
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  45. chad shaver

    chad shaver Semi-Pro

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    Pug,

    Don't bother. It's not worth your time.
     
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  46. PugArePeopleToo

    PugArePeopleToo Rookie

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    Chad,

    But I was wrong. Now I've seen the light and its righteousness hits me like a ton of feces. Simplly put, the arrogance of the American press is fantastic; Pax-Americana extends her evilness of foreign bashing by unjustly reporting on a trivial subject of Roddick is more exciting than Federer. Without a doubt, this is yet another futile attempt by the Imperialist propaganda machine to brain wash the world. Thanks to the ever vigilant Comrade Yee, the imperialist’s devious plot is once again foiled. I shall never have such a peepeeness again.
     
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  47. chad shaver

    chad shaver Semi-Pro

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    I, too, have seen the light. We should all be cast to the ninth level of Hell....
     
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  48. pound cat

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    Flowers FUR Algernon...lst pos.....lobotmy.... hlp meeeeeee
     
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  49. rommil

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    For some reasons, I remembered feeling bored WATCHING Sampras play than WATCHING Federer play. Federer does not strike me as having a boring personality either. He looks so comfortable with things on court when he is playing. It is almost as if he tells his opponent "Go ahead, take your time. Figure out what you need to do and I will do my own thing". He doesn't seem to be bothered by bad calls and let's his tennis do the talking. That is just my impression. I know it may sound kind of conceited.
     
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