Federer has toughest draw.

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  1. Fedgasm

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    This really shouldn't be a debate.

    Kohlschreiber, who has been playing the tennis of his life in the 3rd round. 4th round against Soderling who is playing out of his mind and went to the Roland Garros finals. Quarters against Tsonga, AO finalist, or Verdasco who knocks the yellow out tennis balls, or Karlovic who has the most effective serve on the ATP tour.

    Now, you may pull for another player and see their draw and think in the back of your mind that they have a tough draw, but don't lose perspective of the caliber of the players.

    With all this said I fully expect him to handle every player he faces.
     
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  2. jimbo333

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    How can Federer have the toughest draw?

    He doesn't have to play himself:)
     
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  3. Fedgasm

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    Very true, haha. From that standpoint he has the easiest. I should say the toughest quarter. How's that?
     
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  4. Hm not sure if he has the toughest, but he definitely doesn't have the easiest. :)
     
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  5. veroniquem

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    Never tough enough to make up for the USO draws where for now 2 consecutive years 3 out of his 7 opponents were out of the top 100! And never enough to make up for the fact that he won RG vs a clay dummy (whose best achievement on clay to this date has been to beat an injured Nadal...)
     
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  6. jimbo333

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    Well it's certainly tougher than Djokovic's:)
     
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  7. ChanceEncounter

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    Yeah, we should just change the rules so we can "make up" for past grand slams that veroniquem doesn't like.
     
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  8. grafrules

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    Toughest is a toss up between Federer and Murray. Djokovic has a super easy draw, nowhere near as tough as Federer or Murray, by far the easiest. I havent really looked much at the Del Potro quarter since Nadal pulled out.
     
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  9. Don't think Nadal's draw would have been too bad for him at all if he were healthy. It's a decently easy quarter for a top player. Not sure about DP though.
     
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    I guess that goes to show how hard the draw is depends alot on the player. Rafa has become such a great player, especialy on clay and grass, that it is hard to see a draw that is hard for him. That has more to do with Rafa than the other players though. Del Potro kind of sucks on grass until now, while he should be alot better this year as he is a totally different player, I still doubt it is a strong surface for him, so there is alot more scope for what would be a challenging draw on grass for him.
     
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  11. Fedgasm

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    Clay dummy? Are forgetting the fact that Soderling also beat Ferrer, Davydenko, and Gonzalez on the way to the final? I don't care who you are, you aren't a clay dummy if you make it to the french open finals.
     
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    You are if you're 24 and you've never made a clay final in your entire career, maybe a lucky dummy?
     
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  13. Fedgasm

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    Okay let's analyze your logic here... let me bring up a post you made pre-roland garros...

    Okay let me get this straight. Robin Soderling, who beat those "great clay courters" that were in Rafa's quarter at the French Open is a dummy. Yet when that same Soderling who beat those great clay court players (who were even supposed to give the "King Rafa" a tough match) plays Federer he is suddenly a dummy. I'll speculate that he was only a dummy because he was facing Federer in the final while little Nadal was sitting at home licking his wounds. Is that a correct speculation, buddy?
     
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    ^^
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    that was some major ownage.
     
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    He beat Del Potro, who was playing absolutely on fire at RG, lest you forget.

    Keep in mind that Soderling didn't just beat Nadal. He also beat Gonzalez and Davydenko, two quality clay courters.
     
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  16. jimbo333

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    I saw Gonzalez and Davydenko this week and they looked good on green clay, sorry I mean grass, as well:)
     
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  17. DownTheLine

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    He crushed Nadal.
     
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    Yes but according to troll queen veroniquem guys like Gonzalez, Ferrer, and Verdasco were these super tough clay courters when she thought Nadal was going to go through them to the title. However once Soderling in addition to taking down her beloved Nadal, also whoops Ferrer, beats Gonzalez from behind in the 5th set, and crushes Davydenko right after Davydenko had crushed Verdasco, Soderling suddeny is a clay dummy who beat nobody. Fascinating logic indeed. :roll:
     
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    First of all it is definitely Fed's fault that Muller, Sodlering and Isner were playing good tennis and could beat all the opponents he faced.

    You also forget to mention that in 2007 Federer had to beat the 5,4 and 3 in the QF, SF and F in order to win the slam and in 2008 he had to beat the 3 +6. 2008 the four players out of the top 100 he faced were all in the top 30 two in the top 10.

    Do me a favor find a slam where Nadal had to beat three top 5 guys in a row to win the slam?

    Also Robin Soderling was definitely a better opponenet than doped up Mariano Puerta who was in the top 20 for what a few weeks during 2000..5 years prior that french open final. Also I guess I would rather beat the clay dummy than lose to a clay dummy..oh of course injury =] Injuried Nadal beat Hewitt 6-1, 6-3, 6-1 prior to that match...gosh stop being so bitter.
     
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    Thank you so much. An absolutely flawless post.
     
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    Second this,great post.
     
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    Murray has potential for the hardest draw, or the easiest draw. It just depends if his opponents decide to show up mentally that day. Gulbis, Safin, Gonzalez are no walk in the park if they decide to play.
     
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  23. World Beater

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    gonzalez is in great form...so yes.

    safin these days is choking to everyone and their dog.

    gulbis hasnt done anything in a while.

    so yes they are all big names with potential to play high level tennis, but safin and gulbis are so far removed from their peak forms, it is silly. unlikely imo
     
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    Hey, Safin hadn't done crap for a while next year, and bam, he shows up. What's to say the rest of these guys don't do the same?

    i'd rather he save it for the USO. Wouldn't it be great to see a safin vs Fed epic in the SF of USO, murray winning his SF easily, and then Safin totally crushing Murray in 4 in the final? Ah, a fan can dream. (This is all in hopes that Fed wins Wimby :D)
     
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  25. World Beater

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    is beating djokovic a big deal anymore?

    i mean safin had one freak result in wimbledon. but his problem is always consistency. some days this guy could choke to lapentti, monfils and hidalgo.
     
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    What happened Veronique? Bit lost for words?
     
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  29. malakas

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    ah..also the toughest draw has LU.the end. :)
     
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  30. egn

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    Sounds good to me =]
     
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    Verdasco? Has proven nothing on grass. To me he is just a flavor of the month, flash in the pan. No consistency with that guy.

    Tsonga? Another one. See Verdasco


    Kolschrebier? Good showing at the French we will see if this translates at Wimby. My guess is it prolly wont


    Karlovic? Has this guy even been out of the first round of Wimbeldon in the last decade? LOL..



    Pretty cakewalkish for Fed. Though I see maybe Verdasco and Tsonga making some noise... Maybe. But both havent been two impressive with the exception of Verdasco's showing at the AO. Tsonga cant stay healthy or consistent

    Realistically. This shouldnt be much of a problem for Fed. He may even straight set every player to the finals as he did last year. Except this time he wont have to deal with his master in the finals
     
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    Are we talking about the same verdasco who has gone to the last 16 of all but one tournament this year. I agree his grass form is not his best but he has a runner up on the surface though I doubt him doing much damage.
    Tsonga thrives on fast surfaces, the paris masters title is evidence of this you clearly underrate him, he is a top 10 player and a strong fast surface threat and in his one wimbledon he made it to the 4th Round

    Kohl has been strong on grass as of the past two years he was runner up last year at Halle and had a semifinal this year at Halle.

    Lol I have to honestly agree, Karlovic is such a disappointment at wimbledon and the only way he is a threat is if he brings his good game. However as shown in france even serving 50+ aces doesn't score him wins. He might be able to have a good set against Fed but if he takes more than one I will be shocked

    I agree here again there is no problem for Fed, but than nobody on grass outside of Nadal is close to a problem for him. His draw is easy for him but I think it is toughest overall, Djoker would run into massive trouble in this draw espeically if he hit Tsonga and Murray as well would probably struggle more than in the joke of a draw he has now.
     
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  33. Cyan

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    Fed has a very easy draw because the only guy that is at his level on grass is not playing... You know the only guy that has beaten him at W since 2002. I would not be surprised to see Fed win W without dropping a set. Mark my words.
     
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  34. GameSampras

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    Tsonga and Verdasco have the ability to give Fed problems.. But the thing is.. What Verdasco and Tsonga are going to show up. Thats the thing. You never know with those two
     
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  35. Cenc

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    lu had the toughest draw
     
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  36. Cyan

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    They are not mentally strong to beat Fed.
     
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    lol I'd have to agree.
     
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    But doncha see? That proves he was injured. Healthy Nadal would've tripled bageled that bum, Hewitt.
     
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  39. Fedgasm

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    Do plan to respond or are you just going to cowar away?
     
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    This is a typical Nadal fan strategy. When losing an argument, simply disappear and hope it all goes away. N_F is the master of this strategy.
     
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    There is really no evidence either has the abilty to give Federer problems. Verdasco has never come close to beating Federer. Tsonga I dont believe has ever played him. Neither are the type of player Federer typically has trouble with though. Straight forward flat hard hitting players are Nadal's kryponite at times, not Federer's.
     
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    They played in Madrid last year,Fed won 6-4 6-1.
     
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    Federer's draw on this Wimbledon is easy as always.

    Only Murray has easier draw here.
     
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    You never know. I mean, Del Potro (flat, hard hitting) gave Federer fits in FO SF (he was hitting winners all over the place).
     
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    Actually out of all of Federer, Murray, and Djokovic it is Federer who has the toughest draw this time. That isnt always the case, but it was this year. Djokovic clearly has the easiest out of those 3 this year.
     
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    Puerta played a much better final than Soderling.
     
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    I explained in the other thread. Novak has more difficult draw than Federer, while Murray's is clearly the easiest.

    Novak's draw vs Federer's:
    Bennetau > Lu
    No explanation needed.

    Greul < GG Lopez
    I give you second round, but GG Lopez is an easy opponent.

    Fish/Tipsarevic > Kohlschreiber on grass
    Tipsarevic made 4th round last two years beating players like Gonzo, Tursunov and Roddick, while Kohl was out in 1st round last two years. He actually went past 1st round in Wimbledon only once.

    Scheuttler > Soderling on grass
    Last year SFist is clearly the more difficult opponent. I will not mention Robredo, while F Lopez is already out on Fed's side.

    Haas/Cilic > Tsonga/Verdasco on grass
    Haas just beat Tsonga convincingly in Halle. Tsonga and Verdasco never did anything worth mentioning on grass.
     
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  48. LuckyR

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    Tough draw? Without the defending Wimbledon champion? No, not so much...
     
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  49. Robbie_1988

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    I'm still waiting for your answer veronique...
     
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    Okay, I guess we are just going to have to bump heads on this issue, as you seem to think that a guy who is 10-17 on the year is more dangerous than a guy who just made it to a slam final two weeks ago. The only match I can agree Djokovic had tougher was the first match, but that shouldn't be an issue for a top 4 player anyway, even though Novak made it an issue by losing a set.
     
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