Federer: "He [Berdych] got lucky tonight"

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  1. abraxas21

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    "I thought he played a good match. It's hard to judge his performance, because I look at mine only. When I'm not playing my best, it's hard to judge my opponent, to be quite honest.
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    Seems like he's coming back strong. That's good to see, because he's and incredible player and he's got incredible shots. Almost let this match off the hook again. He got lucky tonight.
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    Strange declarations from Federer. He didn't give much credit to Berdych for his win in the press conference but did say he played well and that he should have gotten to the top 10 some time ago.
     
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  2. zagor

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    That's not humble from Fed at all,he should have said it was an "accident" or a "terrible disaster".
     
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  3. dropshot winner

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    This thread will get at least 10 pages long :)
     
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  4. mandy01

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    "amazing disaster" :wink:
     
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  5. Blinkism

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    You forgot to mention the part where he cried.
     
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  6. zagor

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    Oops,my mistake.Thanks for correcting me :)
     
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  7. icedevil0289

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    don't worry, "accidents" happen. :)

    This is so much more fun than studying for my stats exam.
     
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  8. bolo

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    lol. 10 char. :)
     
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    Not AGAIN! :evil:
     
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  10. zagor

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    Or that #17 jacket he had stashed in his bag since the start of the tourney,he thought he was gonna equal Agassi's masters record,arrogant #%&@#$.
     
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    well....atleast he didn't have a golden bag .
     
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  12. Probably saving it for June.
     
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  13. dropshot winner

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    Of course not, he moved on. To a Platinum-bag :)
     
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    He should walk the ramp at Paris,Milan etc from now on .
     
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    Nadal and Fed are arrogant SOB! :)
     
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    Federer gave a post match interview?

    Christ, the arrogance of this man......
     
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    you're losing it my dear. Sad to this happen to the one upon a time legend. :cry:
     
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  18. billnepill

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    it's all true. Fed played poorly and it was still a close match. To get a chance for a match point and to have 61 ! UEs ... wth
     
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  19. 15_ounce

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    Why don't Federer just admit that Berdych played better than him????

    Berdych was so composed to pull off a great win in a tough three setter match. Saving match point in the last tie break proved how cool Berdych was. He even managed a smile after Fed got a match point on his serve.. because of the ridiculously close hawkeye result.

    Why didn't Fed smile at Berdych and congratulate him....
     
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    If anything he was way too generous to Berdych. Berdych is closer to being a clown than an incredible player. Sorry the hype on the guy is ridiculous, I could have seen 3-5 years ago but now now. He is clearly not top 10 caliber, either in results, talent, overall game, anything. He is a one dimensional basher who has found his home in the top 30 and that is the best he should be. Federer did play awful today, like he pretty much always plays in best of 3 tournaments vs any opponents who can hold a racquet straight nowadays, and Berdych was still lucky to win in the end. Watch him get his ass handed to him next round probably.
     
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    How hard would it have been for Federer to say "He was to good for me today" ???

    It's so simple, tennis is an individual sport, if you play better you win, if you don't you lose.

    Not sure what luck has to do with it. There are enough points in a match to turnaround a game or a string of points which can be blamed on bad luck.

    Federer can be extremely arrogant at times.
     
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  22. Li Ching Yuen

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    Stop trolling, or at least keep it for when the guys you hate lose.
     
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    I actually dont like Federer (hate is a strong word for any player) and am glad he lost, especialy as it gets Nadal closer to the #1 ranking. Berdych is still an overhyped clown though. Many on TW are too dense to even realize Federer doesnt give a half squat about these events anymore, and anyone in the top 100 can beat him on a given day at them now. It is not even an achievement anymore. Beating Federer at a Grand Slam is an achievement, beating him at a Masters today is about as big as a women beating Marion Bartoli in a Grand Slam.
     
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  24. Li Ching Yuen

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    As for the topic

    Here's the whole thing:

    Q. What is it, consistency you think?
    ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, if you look at the top 10 the last years, they've always been tough. It's not so easy just to get in there and hang around, you know, just think it's normal to be in there.
    It definitely needs a special effort and a special sacrifice, and, you know, then you need some serious mental skills to handle the traveling and everything. It's not so easy. With different surfaces and injuries, it's demanding.
    Or you do it the easy way and just win a big one. Then you're in if for a little bit and then you get better chances and seeds. But I would have thought he would have made his move a long time ago to be in the top 10.
    Seems like he's coming back strong. That's good to see, because he's and incredible player and he's got incredible shots. Almost let this match off the hook again. He got lucky tonight.

    He basically said Tomas was a little lucky to win this, because at some point it seemed like he was about to crumble in the decisive moments like he did in past times against Roger. But he didn't, and with a bit of luck, managed to pull through.
     
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  25. Li Ching Yuen

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    Who's talented in your opinion?

    Except the guys in the Top 10 of now.
     
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    do you think he could ask Rafa for some help on this crying issue... something that can wick the tears...

    some sort of fast wicking tissue...

    say...

    this for example...

    [​IMG]
     
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    fed played not good because he lost.this is the worst hes played for 2yrs now.birdsh!t played his best but just beat fed playing bad.
     
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    Guys outside the top 10 I would say:

    Verdasco- a very good talent an great shotmaker. A much better example of a true underachiever given that he has about twice the talent of someone like Berdych.

    Ljubicic- an excellent player and very underrated on TW. Even past his prime still doing real damage.

    Ferrero- former #1 weakened by injuries and age. A great talent though.

    Youzhny- another great shotmaker, not just a ball basher.

    Monfils- His stroking package may not be the best, but he is an insanely good athlete with great serve and a huge forehand when he wants to.

    Haas- another great talent who struggles to stay healthy. A guy like Berdych with the same # of injuries wouldnt even be top 50, let alone still top 20 like Haas.

    Wawrinka- a very talented player and shotmaker, another true underachiever.

    Hewitt- great player, sadly weakened by age and injuries.

    Gasquet- overhyped as well, but still certainly a talented player, easily moreso than Berdych. I remember watching Berdych and Gasquet play live the day after Berdych beat Nadal in Canada 2006 (the prime of both players up to now anyway), and Gasquet anihilated Berdych dropping only 5 games and dishing him a breadstick.
     
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  29. Li Ching Yuen

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    Hewitt is the overachiever GOAT. If you think that guy is talented that you are seriously having issues with comprehending tennis.

    Verdasco just got thrashed by Berdych a week ago. Are you serious?...or did you just mention him to cause some spasmic laughter?

    Wawrinka has a great great backhand. And that's it. He's probably a bigger mental midget than Berdych himself and that's an understatement.

    Gasquet has all the ingredients for an entertaining player to watch. However, he is lacking in so many departments in his game. People are just blinded by that legendary backhand.

    Ferrero is a has-been. He's "almost great" ground game worked very well in a weak era just around the time some big names retired, for example Sampras.

    Monfils is the master clown. His only purpose for being in tennis is to transform the court into a circus arena. Injuries are just the blessing we get for a player that really harms the spirit of the noble sport.

    Haas, Ljubicic and Youzhny are very talented indeed, AND no one in their right mind will deny that.
     
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  30. Rhino

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    Berdych did get lucky, as much as Federer would have been lucky to win... they both had match points on their own serve.
     
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    Can you clarify how Nadal is arrogant??
     
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    Now give sportmenship award to Berdych!
     
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    This is the second tournament in a row where Federer lost a match when he had match points. In both matches he played pretty badly, I didn't see this match, but I'm guessing from what I read. I wouldn't say Berdych was lucky at all, given the way that Federer's played these MS's over the last 4 years or so just about anybody can take Federer out in them.

    I guess Berdych was lucky in the sense that it was him who beat Federer this week not somebody else.
     
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    Hewitt was an overachiever even in his prime but in his prime he was easily more talented than Berdych, not that that is saying much. In addition to being far mentally tougher of course. Berdych would never be able to hit the returns, passing shots, lobs, even volleys, or move the way Hewitt did even if he were as mentally tough or as hard a worker, and those traits were superior to Berdych's ball bashing which is good but other guys can do better.

    Verdasco thrashed himself in his last match with Berdych. Regardless of that one match Verdasco is the one with the higher ranking despite being a much bigger headcase than the overrated Berdych, and the best tennis he plays- eg the Australian Open last year, is head and shoulders superior to anything Berdych has ever produced his whole career. If you think otherwise you are a fool.

    Wawrinka has a very good forehand, a strong serve, he moves better than Berdych easily. If you think Wawrinka is one dimensional what would that make Berdych. You are right he is a bigger headcase than Berdych easily, which is why he a much better example of a true underachiever than Berdych who simply isnt and never was that good.

    I am not blinded. I agreed he was also overrated, but he still is more talented than Berdych. I already told you I saw them play in 2006 in Canada when Berdych and Gasquet were both at their peaks, and Berdych had just beaten Nadal. Gasquet thoroughly outclassed him and fed him a breadstick in the 2nd set.

    I agree he is a has been, but in his prime has was tons better than Berdych ever was. Also telling that even past his prime, aging, and with all the injuries he has had to deal with which have undoubtably hurt his career, he is still ranked around the same or higher than Berdych at 24.

    and yet I would bet on him having a better career than Berdych in the long run. He has already made a slam semifinal, something Berdych has never managed btw. His serve, athletic ability, and forehand (when he hits it) are all beyond any aspect of Berdych's game.

    Indeed.
     
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  35. Sangria

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    Why oh why does Federer need to talk during conferences.. Never a gracious and sportsman-like conversaton to be had.
     
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  36. kOaMaster

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    maybe he is just referring to the challenge with "lucky"...we all no federer is no fan of hawk ey.
    beside that I too had the feeling federer wasn't right there on court. not as concentrated and focussed as he could be at least.
    and now we see what happens if a quiet good player like berdych sees his chance to win over a mediocre federer.


    plus, this whole "arrogant" thing is maybe an american issue, where petty politeness is rather important. more so than being honest or say what you think.
    (I just seems to me that no one in europe even comes up with the idea of federer being arrogant - it's the opposite!)
     
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  37. angiebaby

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    How did Rafa get dragged into this?
     
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    Yeah, that is the way to show sportsmanship. Was Berdych lucky that Fed played poorly? Hell, yes. Was it an accident that Ljubicic beat Nadal? No match is an accident
     
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    I'll be interested to see if Fed decides to play MC if Nadal wins here. They'd both be on 16 Masters titles and Nadal would have the first opportunity to equal Agassi's record if Federer didn't play.

    When you factor in that the next three Masters events are all clay the liklihood is that Nadal will break Agassi's record before Federer, and if that happens I can't see Fed ever taking the record off Nadal.
     
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  40. namelessone

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    Are you biased? Yes. Are you showing ignorance in your post? Yes.

    Nadal said it was an accident because the match was in his hands and while it is something to choke against davydenko in doha(at least davy is a great player),it is something else to lose to a veteran in a masters when you control the match quite comfortably. Also,ljubicic had not beat Rafa since 2005,losing all matches,no matter the surface,from then on. It is an accident that Nadal lost control of a match and got beat by a guy he was beating in his teens,when he was way more limited(even with ljubicic's great form in IW he was getting handily beat by Rafa until 3-2 in the second,most commentators were preparing to end the match so to speak). It is an accident that Fed lost to a guy he owned,making 60 UE's along the way. If Nadal and Fed had got their mind straight on that day,they would have probably straight setted both ljubicic and berdych. Both guys had mental lapses and dips in form as the match went on,both Rafa and Fed were very up and down throughout these matches,which is unusal for them against lower ranked opponents(no offense to ljubi and berdych of course)
     
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    Yeah, it's like he can't even say that Berdych played well or that he's a great player. How arrogant :rolleyes:
     
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    verdasco and gasquet have more talent than berdych, hands down.

    verdasco is just an overall better shotmaker than berdych off both wings, and that's saying something since both of them do damage from the baseline, predominantly.

    gasquet's backhand over shadows any shot that berdych has relatively speaking. although he's had poor results as of late, i've always thought gasquet's backhand has always been within the top 5 backhands on tour — up there with nalbandian and haas. gasquet as a player may be overhyped when people said he was the next federer, but all the merits people give his backhand, rather, are pretty accurate. gasquet's touch is also on another level than berdych's. only thing wrong with his game is his plain(relatively speaking) forehand and poor court positioning behind the baseline. still managed to beat berdych twice.


    that being said, i like berdych's game from the baseline. he isn't my favorite baseline basher, that would go to del potro, but i would much rather watch berdych play instead of someone like murray.
     
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    That's odd. This is what he said in his interview according to eurosport.co.uk Where did your quote come from????


    "It was a tough match. Look, it's no secret I've struggled the last, what is it, five matches I've played here in the states," Federer said after his second early exit in a row since winning the Australian Open in January.

    "It's disappointing, I think, my performance overall, if I've got to analyse right now after the match, but I fought as much as I could with my game having issues at the moment.

    "Definitely lacking timing. I don't know where that comes from because I played so nicely in Australia. Maybe the sickness (a lung infection in February) did take it out of me more than I thought."


    I believe this is what he really thinks about his game.
     
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    I suppose you think YOU could do better? :roll: It's funny listening to real clowns who would get crushed 0-0 everyday of your life by these players you call clowns.

    What are your achievements in tennis?
     
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    This is the whole interview.
    To call Federer a bad sportsman based on this interview is absolutely ridiculous.
     
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    What the hell is with Federer and these ridiculous post match little snippets every time he loses? Yea Fed... Berdych got lucky..because you stunk it and up along with choked. I dunno what his deal is with these non slam events anymore... At times I wonder why he even bothers to play them. He kicks butt in Australia and makes Murray look like a goof, then as soon as the smaller tourneys hit, his level drops 10 times. Its been a reocurring theme now for the last 2 years or so.
     
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    What Fed said was true, if Fed was playing 80% of his capacity, Berdych would have never won.
     
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    i saw berdych up close (5ft away) last year and hes a good player, but hes not even close to the same caliber as federer. when opponent slices the ball and floats it he chooses to stay back and hit a groundie. and this is not once, but 20 times. so in that sense he got lucky that fed didint play well.
     
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    Okay I feel stupid. Is saying that redundant, or contradictory?
     
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  50. forthegame

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    Thank you swissmiss.

    Reading the whole interview is quite a different story from the isolated quote that started this thread.
    This puts it all into context. No where near as bad as the OP made it sound. Maybe the OP is a pressman?

    Thanks again.
     
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