Federer in 09: Wimbledon or Roland Garros?

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  1. yellowoctopus

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    With all the discussions about Mr. Federer and his chance to win the upcoming Roland Garros, I am perhaps an outcast from the fact that I think the key to Federer's success in the 2009 season is to win back the crown at Wimbledon. Like many great ones in the past, Wimbledon is the backbone of Federer's success; it is where I believe he draws inspiration, motivation, and confident from.

    Although I will enjoy the outcomes of Roland Garros, my mind will be kept in anticipation of the summer Wimbledon.

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    sorry, the point of this thread is to see if there are others who share the same view, or disagree. Thanks
     
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  2. R_Federer

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    I completely agree with you. Have a look at my signature. Thats why it says French is a bonus. All I want from Federer from the French is to make the finals and put up a good fight against Nadal if he happens to face him. As he has in the past here at RG except for last year.

    I definitely feel he can win Wimbledon this year even if he has to face Nadal in the final. I see him having an edge over Murray and Djoker in Grand Slam matches. And though he lost last year to Nadal...the match was so close it could have gone either way. He needs to remember that.
     
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  3. aphex

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    obviously RG----he becomes undisputed GOAT automatically
     
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  4. rubberduckies

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    His biggest success in 2009 came a week ago.

    He recorded his 7th victory against the great Nadal.
    Looking back a few years, I don't think anybody predicted that Roger would've been able to take so many matches off Rafa.
    It's truly a remarkable achievement.

    His goals for the French should be to make the finals and try to avoid a double bagel.
    His goals for Wimbledon should be to make the finals and try to take a set.
     
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    You goal for 2009 should be to say no to drugs!
     
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  6. Jchurch

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    Not take so many matches off Rafa? Have you not read what any commentators or former players have said? A majority of them laughed at him when he said that he wanted to win Wimbledon. No one (at least not many) thought he would be able to transition his game to surfaces other than clay.

    You also make it out as though Rafa's recors shows that he has dominated him on all surfaces. They are 2-1 on grass, 3-3 on hard, and 2-9 on clay.
     
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    It's truly a remarkable achievement that you're a functioning human being, with logic like that.
     
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  9. Blade0324

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    Not even close. If he win's RG I might put him top 5 but no where near GOAT.
     
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    now? where near goat? where?
     
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  11. GameSampras

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    If Fed wins RG by BEATING NADAL, then that will automatically put Fed back right into GOAT contention IMO. You cant argue against it
     
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  12. <3tennis!!!

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    yep hit the nail on the head. what if fed ends up playing djoko tho in final and beats him?GOAT then?
     
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  13. GameSampras

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    Hmm.. I dunno thats a tough one. IMO he has to conquer THE BEST. Not the 2nd best to be GOAT. But thats me. Others may disagree and say just as long as Fed gets an RG crown. I think he needs to finally beat Nadal though to be hands down the GOAT. If there is such a thing as GOAT
     
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  14. shakes1975

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    Reasonable. But what if Djoker beats Nadal in the SF (say, unbelievably in 4 sets) and then Fed beats Djoker in 4 in the F ?

    If Nadal was THE BEST, he wouldn't lose to Djoko.

    All I am saying is that the guys who reach the F are THE BEST AT THAT MOMENT.
     
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  15. Andres

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    ^^ But what if Nadal can't play because he's injured, then Fed takes the title?
     
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    Has Nadal ever lost when he is not injured??
     
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    Very well said. Although I would say those goals are a bit optimistic.
     
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    Why exactly do you post on this forum? All you do is bash.
     
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    I meant giving a walkover (not playing at all due to injury). Since I don't see Federer as GOAT, no matter if he wins RG or not, I was wondering what's the general consensus was about Fed attaining GOAT status by winning the French without Nadal in the draw.
     
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  20. drakulie

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    Fed already is the GOAT.
     
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  21. bolo

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    I don't think it matters because ultimately the comparison is sampras and sampras was only good enough to make one semi at RG.
     
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  22. Blade0324

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    Actually I could argue against it. IMO even if he wins RG and another 3 slams he is still just top 5 material.
     
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  23. Blade0324

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    NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    He gets owned by Nadal. A GOAT standards is really low if that is the case. lol
     
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  25. drakulie

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    Federer is the new King of Clay who doesn't get tired. Deal with it.
     
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  26. tlm

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    Live it up while you can fed lovers, the bubble is going to pop. I dont think he will be in the finals at the french or wimbly , let alone win one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    ^^I don't think he will be in the FO finals either. Nor do I think Nadal will be there either.

    As for Wimby, I definitely believe Fed will be in finals, but not nadal.
     
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    You are the biggest Nadal hater here. Yet you dare to say that I'm a Nadal hater.
     
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  29. veroniquem

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    If Federer beats Nadal to win RG, it will make a strong case for him to become the best in open era and frankly with the resume he already has, why not best of all time? Everybody knows that I'm not a Fed fan but you got to admit that a victory over Nadal at the French coupled with all the slams he's already won and his years of unprecedented domination would make him a solid candidate. Objectively.
     
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    Why would he have to beat Nadal??? Has Nadal been crowned as the "finish line" everyone has to strive for?? :roll: Nice attempt to **TRY** and make Nadal better than he actually is.

    Fed already beat the players he had to>>> the 13 opponents he had when he won the respective slams.

    Additionally, contrary to what momos like you who know nothing about tennis believe>>>> throughout his career, he has had 5 rivals. Not one (nadal).

    Agassi (8-3)
    Roddick (18-2)
    Hewitt (14-7)
    Safin (10-2)
    Nadal (7-13)

    Thats a 57-27 record against 5 guys who have won a total of 19 slams, including at least one win in a slam final against every one of them.

    BYE, BYE!! Class over.
     
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  32. jamesblakefan#1

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    I don't think you could call Safin a rival, he wasn't consistent enough, and they didnt meet in enough big matches. Some of those were 3rd and 4th round matches, hardly the stuff of rivalries. RODDICK a rival? That's like saying hammer vs. nail is a rivalry. Roddick was hardly in Fed's class, more of a creation of the weak era. Agassi is stretching it, seeing as how he was past his prime vs. Fed. Now you have to add Murray and Djokovic to this list, which might bring that record down a bit. But yeah, Roddick and Safin? Hardly rivals.
     
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  33. TheTruth

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    Agree with this post!

    Great line!
     
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  34. tennisplaya

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    Federer is very content and at peace with himself with being 2nd at Wimbledon to the King of Grass:

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    However he was distraught after being pummeled, embarrassed, and made to look like a school kid in the Roland Garros final. So I would say That Roland Garros is the title Federer is craving the most.
     
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  35. drakulie

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    Those were the guys that were at the top, and he played frequently. Just because he was smoking them don't mean they weren't rivals.

    Murray?? they've played 8 times. (2-6) including a win in a slam final.
    Joker?? they've played 11 times (4-7)

    Still has a record of 63-40, against players who have 20 slam wins between them.
     
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  36. veroniquem

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    It was a response to gamesampras post which started with " if Fed wins RG by beating Nadal..."
    BTW yes, at RG, Nadal is the "finish line everyone has to strive for".
    Nadal has been Fed's main rival during his entire prime (2004-2007). Safin was too inconsistent to ever be anyone's rival. Agassi and Hewitt were his rivals mostly before his prime or just at the very beginning of it. Roddick was owned by Fed from the start. The only rival who consistently challenged Fed during all these years and battled against him in 7 slam finals is Nadal.
    Nadal-Federer has been THE rivalry in tennis for the last 5 years or so. And from what happened in AO 2009, it still is.
     
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  37. ninman

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    Actually he's 7-4 against djokovic which would make it 66-37 against players who have 20 slams between them, and still at least one win in a GS final against all of them.
     
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    I'm still only buying Nadal, Hewitt, and now, Djokovic and Murray as the real consistent "rivals" he's had in his career. Safin would have qualified, had he been more consistent. Agassi? Wasn't at his peak when Fed played him.
     
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  39. drakulie

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    I'll make sure to pass your post onto Bjorn Borg.


    BTW, Nadal's main rival is James Blake. When he beats him in a French Open final, then perhaps we could say he is deserving of being mentioned in the Clay GOAT discussion. Until then, you could shut your trap.
     
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  40. Blinkism

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    Correction: 10 opponents.
     
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  41. veroniquem

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    Yes, James Blake is awesome on clay. Hardly anyone can beat him.
    (I didn't know Borg was still playing on the pro tour, good for him. HOWEVER the finish line...in 2009 is definitely Nadal).
     
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  42. TheTruth

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    Hilarious!
     
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  43. drakulie

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    Thanks for fixing that. :)

    That's because you started watching tennis a year ago.

    Fed played who was in front of him. And 4-5+ years back, those are the guys that were his main competition. Deal with it.
     
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    And for the last 5 years Nadal has been his main rival. Deal with it.
     
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  45. TheTruth

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    Agreed!....
     
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    Great thread! I think Fed's objective this year would be:

    1. Take the Wimbly crown back.
    2. Defend USO.
    3. First FO
    4. Break Pete's Slam record.
    5. Master series shield and ATP world championship.
     
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  47. drakulie

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    has he beat him in a french open final?? NO.

    Judging by the way you momos like to make up rules as you go along, then it is as legitimate as an argument as you create.

    wrong again>> it's whoever is playing in the final, whether Nadal is there or not. whether he is exhausted, has a blister, ingrown toe nail, cold, tired, sun in his eyes, too many steroid tests done on him, and any other excuse a momo like you could come up with.
     
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  49. drakulie

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    Just more stupidity.

    In 2004, he passed Roddick as the #1 player after winning the AO against Safin. He later beat Roddick at Wimbledon, and then Hewitt at the AO.

    2005, he fell to Safin at the semis of AO, then beat Roddick at Wimbledon, and Agassi at the AO.

    2006, he beat Baghdatis at the AO, Nadal at wimbledon, and Roddick at the AO.

    Do I need to go on, momo????

    But yeah??? Nadal has been his rival since he was born.

    Please, Nadal beame Feds main rival about 2-3 years ago.

    You know, there was tennis before you started watching it 2 years ago.
     
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  50. imalil2gangsta4u

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    Wimbledon will make or break Fed's 09. I bet that match has been playing over and over in his mind. Winning wimbledon again would be a huge confidence boost, especially if he won against nadal.
     
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