Federer is now a thing of past

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  1. 1477aces

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    Which is why lots of analysts, new fans, and some bandwagons are pumping up nadal as goat over him. Because he's a thing of the past. It's the same thing fed fans do to demean laver and rosewall and pancho. So nice to see it bite them back.
     
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  2. Sabratha

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    How can he be a thing of the past if he's No. 5 in the world?
     
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    Hey man, until Nadal passes Federer in major wins, Federer will Always be the GOAT. no matter what.
     
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    did you read the whole post?
    federer is no longer the hot thing. that's why analysts and all are hopping on nadal's bandwagon.
     
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    sorry Nostradamus. you will just have to fire up your own mythical GOAT thread so we can argue about it.
     
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    No he's an all-time great and living tennis legend...even if Rafa completely owns his @ss...
     
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    Let's call it when Fed hangs it up but until then, don't ever think that the Nadals, Murrays and Dokovices aren't vigilant how Federer can derail them one way or another at anytime.
     
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    He was the "hot thing" just last year. Even a few months ago people were building him up for Wimbledon. He hasn't been forgotten about, and he can win another major. He is competitively better than Sampras was at his age, and, the top four are seemingly breaking apart. Right now only Nadal or Djokovic are standing in his way, as Murray has just had back surgery. So that leaves a lot of openings for the coming season with draws. Federer could easily make the SF of Shanghai or even win it this year, since Djokovic can exit early or Nadal could lose to a hot player on the way, since this is the time of season where he winds down after winning a lot.

    If he wins a few of the events, he could easily move up to No. 4 or stay at No. 5 in the world, and that would mean his prospects for the Australian Open would be good. Since he wouldn't have much to defend for the first half of the year after that, him making it deep or winning Wimbledon are entirely possible.
     
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  9. bullfan

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    This is true, the analysts asked Fed early at FO about Fed and Novak, with the assumption Nadal would win.

    The analysts have jumped bandwagons, but, hey that's their gig. JMac is the worst the way he flip flops.

    The analysts flip flop between cow towing to players. They know players boxes can hear what they say, and commentary includes this knowledge. They do need to maintain their ability to get interviews.
     
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    damn rafa. he owns everybody`s aarse.


    he has a winning record against ALL of the top 30 players.


    and from the looks of it all, he just got more serious about his business.

    the business of killing, that is.
     
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    Federer was just a bully beating up the INEPT, less talented guys of 2004-2007. When he finally had to deal with someone at his level like Nadal he folded like a cheap suit
     
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    What about Davydenko ?

    If he owns everyone he should have 302 weeks at number 1.. Wait, he is the ultimate bridesmaid... always number 2.
     
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    I hear he is already back and hard at work in Mallorca.

    he is turning up the heat in his practice sessions on his indoor hard court there.
     
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    go read a book on elementary statistics.

    ever heard of a concept of an adequate sample size?



    also your weeks at #1 hold zero traction.


    roger got to the tour first and has 5 years on nadal.


    lets see your god get 38-40 masters shields and then we can talk.


    17-18 slams and 38-40 masters shields will make it a slam dunk case. but you know the whole world knows already who is the better player.


    all I see is a player who is terrified of nadal and he even said so.

    hell even his fans are terrified of nadal.
     
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    ATP ratings are trailing indicators.
     
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    "...is no longer the hot thing."

    What is it about the world and media cycle that gets grown adults acting like 16 year-old high school students by perpetuating some mythical popularity event. This type of knee-jerk, compulsive-like disorder is becoming more prevelant in society. People need to start sleeping more, leaving caffeine and methamphetamines alone and stay away from the tabloids.

    AngieB
     
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    Not even that, he has only reached 3 in the world, and that was in late 2006, which probably had the weakest field since 2002 besides Federer and Nadal on clay.
     
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    Should Fed do well later this year and next, he'll be back into consideration. That's how the commentators work.
     
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    I thought thing of the past= Date Retired Plus Five Years.
     
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    This is officially the worst tennis forum on the internet. Thanks. I miss posters like Samboy
     
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    NO. Not yet. He will get there. But not yet. Same will happen with Nadal too.
     
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    Preposterous thread. He'll be a thing of the past when he retires.
     
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    Fed will win Wimbledon in 2014 :)
     
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    Last time I checked, even after a lackluster season, Federer is still part of the top 8. He hasn't retired nor is he planning on doing so soon. Yes everyone with a short attention span are calling Nadal the GOAT because of the great season/summer he's had. Sadly enough, there's more JMac type bandwagoner in the tennis world than real fans. I don't think anyone is trying to diminish what Laver accomplished. I just think that the game has evolved so much since his days that comparing his era with the modern one isn't possible.
     
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  27. Sabratha

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    It's a possibility.
     
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    He FORCED Nadal and Djokovic to be that good. IF Fed wasnt around, they would be the same level as Hewitt and Safin. Fed made them get better.
     
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    Actually, there is some truth in your statement. The younger guys have a mark to shot at when you are on top. Federer set the mark high and the younger guys caught him when he turned 32, had played over 1,100 matches, and injured his back.

    But, the young guys play boring run and grind baseline tennis and none of them can serve.
     
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    That's BS and unfair to Hewitt and Safin -- both whom were non-entities after 2006. Nadal is the only anamoly but both had to take advantage of a post-prime Federer to start garnering wins over him with more frequency. That and the gradual slowing/homogenization allowed players of their ilk to come out on top.
     
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    I think this thread was made to get some reaction or provocation out of all the Federer fans in this forum. I am 99.9% sure of this.
     
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    I think Federer was in the Jurassic Park movie
     
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    Yeah I think he played Jeff Goldblum :twisted:
     
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    Safin, who, by the way, is undefeated against Murray and Djokovic. Anyone who thinks Safin was a weak player has to be joking.
     
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    jeff has much better looking eyes
     
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    Really? Did you say the same thing last year as well?
     
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    roger is going to come back quite strong in 2014.
     
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    I think so too, this offseason should be good for him if he has the right mindset. Semis or better in AO IMO, unless he draws Nadal in the quarters.
     
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    He's not the force he was in tennis,,yet being in the top 10 is great.
     
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    To be frank, Roger is only doing as well as he is this season due to his high ranking from the previous year. His level of play has been HORRIBLE since Australia, but due to a top 4 ranking for most of the season he got reasonably far in most tournaments due to cake draws. As a result, he's #7 in the race but in terms of level of play this season he's outside the top 10 IMO.

    Nevertheless, I'm pretty hopeful for next season. I think Roger now has the right attitude moving forward. He's going to put in some hard yards in the offseason and come out firing in Aussie.
     
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    It's looking quite bleak at moment for Federer. I don't think anyone would have foreseen that 2013 would be this much of a disaster after 2012, BUT I'm not yet counting him out yet, lol.

    These guys have proven me wrong so many times. I didn't think Federer wouldn't win a slam for a year and a half after he won AO2010, he looked great.
    A lot of people didn't think he'd win Wimbledon 2012, and I didn't think he'd do it by beating Murray and Djokovic back tot back.
    What surprised me the most was the resurrection of Nadal. If I'm honest I have to say I thought the guy was done after that seven month break from tour. Very impressed with what he's achieved this year, he's grown on me.

    2014 shaping up to become a very interesting year. We have Nadal looking to break Federer's slam record, but he's never had consecutive years of domination in his career. Will he finally defend a title outside of clay? Will he sweep the season again or will someone/something stand in his way?

    Then there's Federer whom I think can up his level tot 2012 levels if he gets it together mentally. His physical decline hasn't been as big as some suggest in my opinion. If he refinds his form he could win an additional slam(perhaps more), keeping the slam battle between him and Nadal competitive. The way it's going now it seems very probable that Nadal will surpass him.

    Finally there's Djokovic. They showed his Monte Carlo final against Nadal and I was surprised at how sharp he looked and the way he played. Don't know what happened but he's looked relatively lackluster the greater part of the year, not being able to turn it on when he wants to. Looking forward to seeing if he's able to find that little bit of extra in 2014.

    If Federer gets it together he could deal some major damage in 2014, but he's going to have to get back into shape. If he doesn't/can't I think it's game over for him.
     
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    Hmm,..., as long as he stays within top 10, he is still relevant (for slam potential of course, which
    is the only one matters at this point of his career and with his status as a player).

    Outside top 10 it will be very tough to win a slam again with current 32 seeding
    at slams...
     
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    I think given the rate of accelerated decline from 2012, we may just have to re-evaluate the current dynamics.

    I cant see him taking anymore slams. that is the thing of the past for him now.


    that said, I can still see him coming back a little stronger in 2014. he has to target a few small events and actually try to win a few of them.

    clay will do him good. it will help his ground game.

    ferru is doing just fine winning small events.
     
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    His physical decline has been quite pronounced, unless you're someone who started following Federer post-2008. He has lost at least a step-and-a-half since 2007. What has countered this (to a certain extent) is the fact that the courts have gotten even progressively slower. Hence it's more his physical "endurance" (stamina) which has not declined as preciptiously rather than his movement, that has kept him somewhat competitive. However, this year even the former appears to be flagging.
     
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    He has been a thing of the past since 2008. Unless Nadal and Djokovic are badly injured or majorly slumping he isnt winning anything. Has been that case for almost 6 years now. Would probably have been the case since 2004 if they were born around the same time as him, but fortunately for Roger they werent.
     
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    Yes, and until Nadal gets 18 slams or 17 slams and a WTF he still is not even close to reaching Fed's level.
     
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    I'm not sure if it was that pronounced. I would say largely mental burn out and
    competitions gotten strong. However his game has pretty low margin of error
    in modern top spin based game. So slight physical decline might be much more
    visible...

    I still think he has potential (slam) as long as he stays inside top 10 and
    motivated enough because current tour condition is very older player friendly:

    1. Surfaces are slow.
    2. The average age of top 25 is older than ever
    3. We just have the oldest slam champion (doubles, Leander Pae) in open history, 35 year old Haas is vieing for top 10 etc.
     
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    exactly, but since federer is now part of the past, analysts and new fans are saying nadal is already on federer's level.
     
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    sort of the same thing that's happening to laver is happening to federer.
     
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    You all are missing the point. Federer is no longer the hot thing, which is why nadal is prematurely being declared the goat.
     
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