Federer learns Nadal's forehand

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  1. crazylevity

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXDCgRCJeoQ&NR=1

    In the last point of the first minute of the video, where Federer is leading 40-15, he clearly hits two forehands of the Nadal variety...finishes up and over his own head, generating huge topspin. Is it true...can that forehand get even more versatile??

    I've occassionally attempted a Nadal forehand, personally...throws my opponents rhythm off with the occasional extreme topspin.
     
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  2. hyogen

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    hmm nice :eek: how recent is this?
     
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    Nice find!
     
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  4. crazylevity

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    Just; 4th round, Miami 08, against Acasuso.
     
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    thats yesterday or the day before
    very interesting
    it looks so weird with federer copying nadal
     
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  6. crazylevity

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    ^^^ It's not every shot though, unlike Nadal. He still flattens out his forehand like he usually does, and hits his normal rallying forehands. It just seems like he has ADDED this extra forehand if the ball that comes at him seems to ask for it...hitting that extreme topspin can be useful for generating angles or pushing back an advancing opponent.
     
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    that is a nice find, looks strange yet good, even though i think he lost the point.
     
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    Excellent video. I can't tell if Fed looked really sharp or if Acasuso was just making him look good by comparison. He was definitely wiping the floor.
     
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    Maybe Federer has figured it out. You need to have Nadal's forehand to win the French Open. ;)
     
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    Wrong, the key is butt-picking.
     
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    I knew you couldn't avoid this thread!
     
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  12. caulcano

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    Nah.

    If anything, Federer should 'copying' Nadal's BH ...... his weakness (if you can call it a weakness).
     
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    I noticed that, thats kind of strange why Federer would try hitting his forehand like Nadal.
     
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    Maybe he hit the ball late.

    Don't any of you guys end up the same way when maybe the ball skids a bit and catches you?
     
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    well duh!!!!!!!
     
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    It's not just that he's imitating Nadal's forehand, it seems he been trying to hit with mroe topspin throughout the match and tournament.
    I think he's trying to change up his game abit. Have more variety. Since he hasn't been doing too well this year, he might as well give it a try. He usually hits a bit more flat when he goes across hhis body instead of takeing it over his shoulder.
    I think he should just work more on his footwork though. He doesn't seem to be moving as quick as he use to.
     
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    He does this quite often, but usually only when on the run and going down the line where he often finishes over his right shoulder.

    It is strange to see him do it twice in a row from a somewhat neutral position though. I think he was just mucking around as he really didn't generate that much spin, hit them short and allowed Acasuso to tee off on the last one.

    He's definitely not going to do this very often and the ONLY way he's winning the FO is by serve and volleying out of his mind, ala Stich's final run:)
     
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    Yeah, and that means attacking and finishing the points at net. That's what he's been doing all tournament, he's actually moving away from playing long baseline rallies. In fact, whenever he did have to play from the baseline, Acasuso usually came out on top, at least in the first set.
     
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    I don't think you can rip the ball as much as if you had a 100 sq.in. racket. Interesting that Federer is doing it... but I don't know if it will really work on clay.
     
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    He was hitting those types of shots during last year's clay season. Why would everyone pick up on it now?
     
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    This is nothing new. Fed's been doing this for a while when he wants to whip the ball crosscourt with more top spin.
     
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    Perhaps this is nothing new, but it's interesting to see that Fed is versatile enough to learn someone else's forehand. It's kind of scary...
     
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    Oh, and 3:07 is a classic Nadal forehand.
     
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    i think i've heard, fed's and nadal's forehands are not so different after all, in terms of stroke mechanism. i could be wrong though...
     
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    Sampras was using that when he was running out of time on his forehand.
     
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    Sampras never generated that much topspin... you might want to look at the RPM of forehand spin in the latest issue of TENNIS.
     
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    I must've not noticed. Are you sure he's been hitting like those two FHs he hit?
     
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    Guys, it's called a "reverse forehand". every pro does it from time to time.
     
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  29. Babb

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    ^^^
    And thus we have been enlightened! :D
     
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    ^^^^ I rarely if ever see Fed do it from that particular position on the court. Usually, I see him hit that shot when he is on the run wide to his FH side.
     
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    So, are you saying Nadal hits "reverse forehands?" What I saw from Federer -- as the original poster mentioned -- is pretty clear, they look like Nadal forehands.
     
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    Robert Ladnsdorp has been teaching that shot for well over 20+ years.

    Check out davenport, capriatti, sampras on the run, serena etc. they all hit it from time to time. There is not one pro on the tour that doesn't.

    Nadal just hits it almost exclusively.
     
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    except for the fact that feds grip is different

    anyone one can do that finish however so he isn't
    "learning" nadal's forehand
     
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    It is very commonly used for the Running forehand. Quite uncommon as just a regular 'rally' ball like Nadal does it. That is why Fed looks like Nadal so much.
     
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  35. stormholloway

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    Exactly. This thread is so silly. Federer's idol was Sampras. You can watch Federer play Agassi on youtube when he was still basically a child and many of his forehands end up over his head.

    This has nothing to do with Nadal and is certainly not a new development.
     
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  36. TennisProdigy

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    Yes nowadays the only shot nadal hits on the forehand side are reverse forehands. Back when he was 17 he did hit a "normal forehand" with the same grip he used now but since he's so strong the forehand was extremely powerful but would generate a lot of UE.

    For the record Sharapova hits a of reverse forehands too.
     
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  37. Cup8489

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    if you ht it just right, you definitely can. i can do this same shot so much better with my dense string pattern nxgs than i can with my pure drive. interestingly enough, its also more fluid with the nxgs
     
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  38. 127mph

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    hes done those shots on the run for years now. nothing new.
     
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    how high did that groundstroke kick up for him to even try that forehand?
     
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    Keep learning Federer! :):):)
     
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  41. AlpineCadet

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    I agree 100%. But if Pete Sampras was using a Prince Original Graphite 90, I wonder if Federer would have been using the same thing?
     
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    wat other reason but french open is there for this people?

    hes been doing all in miami
     
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    Huge biceps help too
     
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  44. stormholloway

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    Federer was a big Edberg fan back in the day too, but you never know.
     
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    Well, Federer hits the ball harder and has a heavier racquet, so I doubt it.
     
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  46. World Beater

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    the finish on the fh is not unusual but the grip and open stance position are unusual and makes these fhs resemble nadal fhs.

    sampras running fhs were hit with a totally different grip and much less wrist snap. its a totally different shot even if the racket finishes in the same position.
     
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  47. stormholloway

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    Federer's grip is closer to Sampras than to Nadal.
     
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  48. Aabye

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    Someone probably said this...but its not that he's hitting the reverse forehand that's strange. It's that he is doing it in a rally where he using hits his flat forehand. Thus, to the OP point, it does look like Nadal's. Though I wonder if he was just messing around (seeing as Jose A wasn't entertaining him enough). I can't see him trying to join the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" club at this stage.
     
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    feds backhand is sitting up a lot and hes never doing anything effective of the backhand return. It looks like the backhand is getting worse.


     
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