Federer- Michealangelo of Tennis

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  1. abudhabi tennis

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    Nadal undoubtely is the undisputed current Number 1 in Tennis. Great mental and physical strenght and grossly underestimated tactician.
    However whenever Federer is playing i either rush home to watch him or record it on Al Jazeera Sports 2 ( best tennis channel).

    So i reason to myself - Why does my mind desire to watch Federer and not Nadal.
    I can sum it up simply as: Watching Federer play is like imagining Michaelangelo paint the cistene Chapel. He uses the racquet like a brush,paints a game with his Wilson K-90 and is a Tennis Genius.

    Nadal reminds me of a Soviet era sculpture, sculpting with grit, brute strength, and overpowering his oponents without any finesse.

    I guess in the end thats why most of us watch Federer an not Nadal!!
     
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    Not again. This is getting ridiculous.
     
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    It seems that because Fed is no longer #1 and is no longer winning the most matches his fans are trying to claim he is some sort of artist and he is STILL greater than Nadal.

    It's getting childish....Nadal is #1 get over it!

    I would guess there are just as many Nadal fans as Federer fans AND if he can call dumped backhands into the net and shanked forehands as art then I am happy for you!!

    Federer hasnt played great for a while!
     
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    no where did it say federer is STILL greater than nadal... please read. And if u know tennis federer was always considered an artist.
     
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    Well, Michelangelo did like to paint chubby women, so there's that.
     
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    I get your point, but be careful... saying anything less than "Nadal is a tennis God" will get you flamed nowadays
     
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    Hmmm...relax, take a deep breath, everything's OK :)

    The OP said Nadal is the #1 and rightfully so. He just said he enjoys watching Fed because he plays like an artist. I disagree with him about more people being Federer fans than Nadal fans. I think both have many fans, and Nadal is gaining popularity by the minute, so he might even be more popular.
     
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    TheNatural- you think Nadal's game has finesse? how would you define finesse?
     
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    Even the biggest Nadal troll knows in their heart that Federer has twice the talent

    Nadal is a good match up against Fed

    good for him

    Nalbandian is a great match up against Nadal

    prime James blake was aswell

    Tsonga

    anyone with power can blow Nadal off the courts

    Nadal is a counter puncher with a huge side of "pushing"

    you force the issue against him and he cracks

    against Tsonga he cracked and dumped a easy volley in the net as i recall

    hit out wide against Nadal and 99% of the time it comes back cross court, he's easy to read, we just need someone with self belief to show how easy it is to beat nadal

    clay only suits nadal because clay is slow enough to reward pushers
     
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  11. GameSampras

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    MichaelAngelo? More like The One flew over the Cukoos Nest, R.P Mcmurphy of tennis he is such a mental weakling
     
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    Fed is more of a chameleon. When he beat pete at wimbledon he served and vollied. When he plays nadal he trys to out topspin him, etc. It seems he trys to beat you at your own game. Probably why he doesnt have a coach, he just watches you play and trys todo it better.
     
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    So that explains why he can't beat murray he's a tactician type player his game changes every time you play him
     
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    Sistine!!!! I cannot believe.....
     
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    If Federer is Michelangelo, Nadal's Guarino Guarini.

    Roger's game is beautiful in a classical sense - proportional. Nadal's has some ugly bits, but also some uncanny beauty and constant movement. More asymmetries with that big swinging forehand and robust lower body strides.

    And mentally too. Roger wins one way, strives for excellence with a fairly straight forward "Cartersian" game plan. Nadal's game plan however constantly changes (in perpetual metamorphosis), in adjustment to the general goings on.

    I was going to say Gaudi, who would have been a countryman - but that would have been too much. :)
     
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    Yourself = "most of us"?
    Great, then I'll decide myself= "all of us".
    "All of us" rush home to see Nadal play because he is the Picasso AND the Mozart of tennis: innovative, inspired and daring. He has the mind, the power and the touch.
    "all of us" do not discriminate and like watching others too. "All of us" are not prejudiced!
     
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  17. Underhand

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    Michelangelo? Nowadays Edvard Munch rather, no?

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    Like all great artists, Rafa's art is unique and cannot be copied. Many try but sadly fail.
     
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    You werent so aggressive when the "Nadal is God " thread was started :roll:
    Nevertheless....
    Federer's game is without a doubt the most beautiful game I've ever seen and I can get enough of his tennis.But,the 'most of us' dosent apply.The OP went overboard and exaggerated too much.
    I agree with whatever description you apply-Da Vinci,Michealangelo,Picaso ,Clouet etc etc.But not everyone will..so the 'most of us' got too much.You can say-all Federer admirers,fans,tards,whatever.:lol:
     
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  20. TheNatural

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    Obviously.

    I define it the same as most dictionary's define it. Here's a few dictionary definitions:

    '
    # Refinement and delicacy of performance, execution, or artisanship.
    # Skillful, subtle handling of a situation; tactful, diplomatic maneuvering.'



     
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    It's amazing to see how many weak minded kids are on these boards.

    They quickly jump on the "winning" bandwagon so quick, its as if the bandwagon is the last helicopter out of Vietnam.

    Federer ain't winning anymore? He sucks.
    Nadal wins? He's the best.
     
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    Its just fan rage when your fav player starts losing on a regular bases they hop onto the player that has been winning
     
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    i disagree with you, since i don't see a lot of refinement or delicacy from nadal, nor subtlety. he can hit killer shots, a blind man could see it, but a lot of the time i think he hammers his opponents into submission.
     
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    I hate watching Federer. He used to be fun to watch but he can no longer support his massive ego with his game and isn't fun to watch him anymore. People keep saying that he can win Wimbledon or the USO but if he can't win a 3-setter at a Master's, what makes them expect that he can win a slam where he would have to play matches that go to 3 sets minimum? In fact I can only see him winning the Gary Weber Open (250 on grass) and the Basel 500 Tournament.
     
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    i'm not sure. i think people see him maybe winning them because he's reached the last 6 finals at Wimbledon and won 5 of them, losing 9-7 in the fifth of the other one, and is the defending champion at the US Open, where he is on a 5 year winning streak. but maybe i'm reading the posts wrong.
     
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    lol
    pwned.
     
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    Remember, it's not simply about Rafa winning and Fed losing in the general manner you suggest. Rafa also spanks Roger head-to-head and makes him cry. Fed fans try to discuss every possible thing under the sun so as to not have to face this simple and glaring reality.
     
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    fixed for ya
     
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    Have you seen Federer play lately? He can't even win a Masters. The only thing backing him up is history, but history can't win him a slam.
     
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    he hasn't won a masters since 2007 but how far back is *history* and how far back is relevant? because 3 months ago he was in the AO final losing in the 5th set with a sore back. and 6 months ago he won the US Open. he's playing badly. and yet in the slams he's still there or thereabouts.
     
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    Lol, since they can't attack Nadal's performances no longer, they attack his style. This is truly a sign the haters are getting desperate :lol:. Style doesn't mean a thing, if he keeps winning and gets to 10+ slams, he'll be up there with Federer, Sampras and company, and nobody will give a damn what his style was.

    PS: Oh, and I enjoy Nadal's style.
     
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    Agreed. Fed fans are beginning to reek with desperation.
     
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  33. fps

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    the OP acknowledged Nadal's no.1 spot and then opened a discussion about whether he had a more aesthetically pleasing game, expressing the opinion that he did. what's desperate about that?
     
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    I don't care if Federer loses to nadal, doesn't mean he is an inferior player.

    take them all back to oldschool grass and wooden rackets and your pretty boy nadal will get spanked by almost every player on the tour. His game is just a clay-polyester game, which DOES NOT IMPRESS ME!!!!!

    Let's make that clear.
     
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    Also i want to see your GOAT hero try to hit a one handed backhand like a man. Double armed backhands is for the WTA.

    Obviously it takes a lot more talent and coordination to play with one hand, talent which he does not have.
     
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    Yes, Nadal fans are allowed to make the thread "Nadal is God" but Federer fans can't even compare him to an artist. Awesome hypocrisy. Hell, I'm not even a fan of Federer.
     
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    And?

    Nadal's style is based for this generation's style of play: baselining. Stop trying to glorify Federer or mock Nadal by comparing them in a different era. That is why we don't have a definitive GOAT: you can't compare the eras.
     
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    There are many people (including me) who are bored to tears watching Federer play tennis.

    Nadal's playing style is much more exciting and interesting, IMO.
     
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    yes it does. :)

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    Wooden racquets and one-handed backhands: I don't think it's worth answering anymore. They're going on in a loop, they're as good as senile and oh yes- I forgot- tennis is not about winning anymore, it's about waving antiquated racquets gracefully :lol:
     
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    100% true
     
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    Nadal is a lot of fun to watch but reading some of the posts, I doubt they even know what fun is...
     
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    Wow now Federer lost the AO because of a sore back? We're going up a notch in the excuse department, aren't we?
     
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    That has to be signature material for someone.
     
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    why would i waste my time making excuses for a man i've never met? i was trying to make the point that he was very close to winning that match, even, it appears, with a niggle.
     
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    Federer is Britney Spears of tennis. Cheesy, pretentious, drama, tears, adolescent delusional fans, once big star and popular, but never real and true, sinking fast.
     
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    Here's what I don't understand - if Rafa is about nothing more than racquet technology, if it's the racquet, not Rafa, why doesn't Fed get smart and simply pick up one of those magical racquets and take his #1 ranking back? That should be easy enough... especially for the Michelangelo of tennis.
     
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    Ummm. What it takes is an understanding of the type of game an ATP wannabe player must develop and refine in order to be successful. Roger chose to use a one hand backhand and was quite successful with it. At least until Nadal, Djokovich and Murray showed up with their killer thbhs. To infer that these players do not have the talent and coordination to master a one hander is preposterous. It would be the same as a Rafan saying Federer does not have the talent and coordination to have learned to play left handed as a youth.
    Sour grapes are one thing. But your comment is beyond warranting a response. But I did so just to call out your idiocy.
     
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    I find it so funny that you have the 'Nadal is God' thread, notice the word GOD, and then when somebody calls Federer an artist.... voila! Here come the *******s trying to bash Fed. FFS get over with your childish immaturities already. If you don't like Fed, go away and stop trolling and imposing your opinions on other people. As much as I like Nadal, I can't stand people constantly pushing him up to the heavens as if worshipping him and trying to at the same time stamp Fed down to the floor. They're both great players, ok? Now stoppit with the bashing.
     
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    they are indeed both great players, players for the ages. great point about how being a fan of one seems to make some fans want to tear down the other. it's pathetic.
     
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