Federer-Murray Shanghai 2012 semi-finals

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Federer vs Murray

  1. Federer in 2

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    23.2%
  2. Federer in 3

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    30.5%
  3. Murray in 2

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  4. Murray in 3

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  1. kalyan4fedever

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    Goderer in 2. Also feddy played fantastic today his returns are too good.
     
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  2. merlinpinpin

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    A win by SMC Rogi over Berdych would definitely make the end of the season *very* interesting (Djokovic winning over Murray, not so much), but hey, we'll see... ;)
     
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  3. Backhanded Compliment

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    I feel like this one is a toss up, depends on who shows up. Whoever wins will be #1 in February... though I think Nole is very motivated and may win Shanghai and likely year end #1.
     
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  4. TheF1Bob

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    Got a dreadful feeling about this one.
     
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  5. underground

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    This really is a toss-up.

    Yesterday I definitely would have picked Murray since Fed wasn't that impressive. But today Murray had to defeat Stepanek (?!) in 3 sets, and was down a break in the 3rd.

    As a Fed fan I won't have my hopes up high, just like the Cinci final. If he loses it's alright since 300 weeks is locked already, but might get some surprises.
     
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  6. TheF1Bob

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    LOL just no. Cilic was garbage, capiche?
     
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  7. *Sparkle*

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    This is impossible to predict. Both can reasonably be described as playing badly, for them. I can't believe their fans might object to that, as it's actually a credit to their abilities that they can be described as playing poorly, but still make it to the semi-finals of a Masters 1000. It's the other players that have been left in their wakes that should be feeling the pain of this observation.

    There is a possibility that "tired, wounded" Fed will have a bit more motivation to raise his game in the hope of levelling the H2H with Murray. He wasn't great today, but the match wasn't particularly tough.

    It's hard to tell how much Andy's cold has been hampering him. He's plainly not at death's door and some of his tennis has been good, but he was plainly not playing at anything like 100% either. An on form Fed could have taken advantage of his sloppy play from the last couple of days. If Andy has a good night's sleep tonight, aided by a later start tomorrow, he could be much improved.

    The comparison with the Olympics (and Wimbledon) are equally irrelevant. This isn't grass, this isn't five sets and Roger is still older than Andy.

    The conspiracy theorists will presume that both players have been bluffing, deliberately throwing in some bad games, and sets, and will spring onto the court tomorrow like spring lambs, ready to take their opponent by surprise now they have a match against someone worth playing properly for. In reality, they'll both be motivated to lift their games, and we're just guessing which one can make the least stupid mistakes.
     
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  8. kaku

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    In BO3 masters I favor Murray
     
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  9. Smasher08

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    Such a coin toss. Depends on which Fed AND which Muzz show up.
     
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  10. Nostradamus

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    OK, update. Murray has an Asian flu. that is why he is playing so bad right now. so don't be surprised if Roger beats him tomorrow. Murray himself said this during the match today.
     
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  11. Rozroz

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    Asian flu -The category 2 Asian flu pandemic outbreak of influenza A virus originated in China in early 1956, and lasted until 1958. Some authors believe it originated from a mutation in wild ducks combining with a pre-existing human strain.[6] Other authors are less certain.[7] The virus was first identified in Guizhou.[8] It spread to Singapore in February 1957,[9] reached Hong Kong by April, and the US by June. The death toll in the US was about 69,800.[6] Estimates of worldwide deaths caused by this pandemic varies widely depending on source, ranging from one to four million, with WHO settling on "about two million".

    Asian flu was of the H2N2 subtype (a notation that refers to the configuration of the hemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins in the virus) of type A influenza, and an influenza vaccine was developed in 1957 to contain its outbreak.

    The Asian flu strain later evolved via antigenic shift into H3N2, which caused a milder pandemic from 1968 to 1969.[10]

    Both the H2N2 and H3N2 pandemic strains contained avian influenza virus RNA segments. "While the pandemic human influenza viruses of 1957 (H2N2) and 1968 (H3N2) clearly arose through reassortment between human and avian viruses, the influenza virus causing the 'Spanish flu' in 1918 appears to be entirely derived from an avian source (Belshe 2005)."[11]
     
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  12. cc0509

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    Unfortunately, I think that trend is going to shift now in Murray's favor.
     
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  13. Warmaster

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    What's up with Federer's serve? Going by the stats, he's winning less serve points than usual. Is it the serve itself, or sloppy follow-ups?

    Could someone who has watched him play in Shanghai give some info on this?
     
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  14. smoledman

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    Murray in 2, something like 6-4 7-5. Federer is just not up to top form yet.
     
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    For what it's worth, Murray is 3-1 v Roger in semifinals.
     
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  16. smoledman

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    If Roger can win this I will consider it a huge bonus!
     
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  17. kaku

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    Murray has also lost only once to Roger in Masters
     
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  18. ark_28

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    Good play Batz I think Rogers only win V Murray in a semi was Cincy in 2009 right? How do you see it going tomorrow?
     
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  19. batz

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    Hey Ark, you are spot on.

    Bookies have Roger as slight favourite - I probably agree with them - Murray hasn't been great this week.
     
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  20. veroniquem

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    Murray is not on a hot streak at all!! He couldn't even get past Raonic in Tokyo. I think Fed will be extra motivated because of #1 ranking.
     
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  21. kishnabe

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    Impossible to forger that win because of Sureshs.

    I see this match going to Murray favor like 2010 Shanghai. Though both are playing subpar. Murray however picked it up at the end of the Steps match...still look like he was suffering.

    Federer was lucky playing Cilic that is still lost in the woods.

    Murray in 2.....though Heart says Federer in 3.
     
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  22. Hood_Man

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    As of my vote, Federer is only leading this poll by one vote.

    Excuse me while I go make a cup of tea, return, take a sip, widen my eyes and raise my eyebrows, and then curse as I have to spend a fortune repairing my laptop for liquid damage as I spray it in shock.

    :twisted:
     
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  23. underground

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    Well said. It's really impossible to predict.

    Yeah I was glad Fed played Cilic rather than Verdasco, because Verdasco might put up a fight but as soon as I saw Cilic through I knew it would be a lock for Fed to the semis. He was in a bad mood after the match against Stan, you can see both players were unhappy and Federer didn't do his usual walk around the court on Thursday. QF match probably let him regroup himself and get his game back. Fed still wasn't looking great though. 6-3 6-4 but still broken twice.

    Wow the poll votes went up fast, when I voted it was 70% for Murray.
     
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  24. Smasher08

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    :-? Maybe Fred's got asian flu, a wonky back, and halitosis.....
     
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  25. Prisoner of Birth

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    Murray in 3 but Federer in 3 is almost as likely.
     
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  26. Netspirit

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    Murray should take it. Federer has not impressed me so far.
     
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    Neither has Murray. This one could go either way.
     
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  28. Towser83

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    Oh now Andy has Asian Flu excuse built in. so from now on, everytime he loses, it is his Aisan flu, not that other guy was better.
     
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  29. Rozroz

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    right on the money.
     
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  30. veroniquem

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    Sounds just like Fed's mono, doesn't it? :twisted:
     
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  31. veroniquem

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    Yes, Murray has owned Fed in masters so far: he's won 5 out of their 6 encounters there including the last time they played in Shanghai. The only one Fed has won is Cincy 2009. BTW, Murray HAS TO win his semi tomorrow to keep his winning head to head vs Fed. He's currently up by 9 to 8. But it's gonna be a tough ask if he's actually suffering from the flu.
     
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  32. NadalDramaQueen

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    Or Rafa's knees, foot, overly tightened tape, blisters, roof, quad injury, divorced parents, blue clay, etc.? :lol:
     
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  33. Lightning

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    Isn`t murray sick, he has been coughing the whole week
     
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  34. Towser83

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    Indeed. Perhaps everyone has their achilles heel (or Rafa's knees)

    btw when was the last case of Fed's mono? :lol:
     
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    Fed's mono comes and goes, especially during clay season. :)
     
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  36. smoledman

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  37. Towser83

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    Then Nadal catches it from him around the indoor season ;)
     
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  39. smoledman

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    Yes the real Federer is a stone-cold killer. We all know and admit this, except for ****s.
     
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  40. Rozroz

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    when was this moment?
     
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  41. smoledman

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    ^^^^
    Wimby final, 3rd set I think.
     
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    The Federer age excuse has been built in since circa Wimbledon 2008 (age 26, the same age as Nadal now). You can rest assured that these mid to late eighties born clowns would have fallen into the inescapable sepulcher of defeat along with the likes of Hewitt, Roddick, Nalbandian and Safin had they encountered prime Fed. The only exception is Nadal on clay.
     
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  46. Numenor

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    But what about the nebulous and often chilling horrors that beset nadal on a daily basis? Knees/parents' divorce/chair/was just a baby/stove/rusty/bottle misalignment/broken foot ?

    I'm amazed Nadal manages to get out of bed, let alone pick up a tennis racket. Just goes to show what a warrior he is, undefeated except when he loses.
     
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  47. Rozroz

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    but these days all he can do is barely wash his cars and play poker :twisted:
     
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    Yeah, and it only takes about 30 seconds for those posts to be effectively repudiated and ridiculed (deservedly). Conversely, the Federer-is-old-prime-Fed-would-own-x counterfactual remains firmly entrenched in TW mythos.
     
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  49. kishnabe

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    2012 French Open Semifinals....it was worse than Monofed.
     
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  50. dangalak

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    What a useless heap of drivel.

    So are you implying that Federer ISN'T past his prime and in fact is playing at his absolute physical peak right now? No? Then hush.

    Not to mention, Federer in 2008 lost to Roddick, Fish, Simon twice, Karlovic and didn't even make it out of the RR stage at TMC.

    Clearly it was all due to Nadal and Djokovic coming into their own.

    What you said about Djokovic and the others was quite right: if Djokovic playing his best can only barely win against a 30 year old Federer with terrible fitness, I don't have much hope for him against prime Federer. :lol:
     

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