Federer-Murray Shanghai 2012 semi-finals

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Federer vs Murray

  1. Federer in 2

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  2. Federer in 3

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  3. Murray in 2

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  4. Murray in 3

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  1. DeShaun

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    Wimbledon final 2012, after Murray already had driven one very short ball at Federer's head well inside his baseline with Roger ducking just in time for the ball to fly straight like an arrow right on by Roger's right side temple; this picture above was snapped immediately after Murray had tried to drive yet another short ball at Federer's person; this second attempt however resulted in Murray losing his footing- which may explain why Roger in the pic above seems to be ignoring his fallen opponent as if Roger were thinking "Well, I guess you deserved that for having adopted Lendl's tactic of hitting almost all short balls by default directly at the net man."
     
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  2. TTMR

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    No. I was saying you can chock up any loss on Federer's part to age and then hypothesize "prime for prime, Federer would have owned him". So supposedly Federer was an old man at 26 (hence losing to Djokovic at AO 2008, to Nadal at Wimbledon 2008 ), but Nadal at the same age is in his prime, and Murray/Djokovic at close to the same age are in their primes as well. Will they suddenly be old men in May of 2013? I guess they will be, because there are no increments or grades or variations in performance over a period of time, only an arbitrary age cutoff line which has the convenience of undermining any subsequent win by a younger opponent.

    And good job generalizing from one match. Peak Federer lost in straight sets to 19 year old Murray, so what hope does old man Federer have against 25 year old prime Murray? Since Federer is worse than he was then, and Murray better than he was then, logically, Federer cannot beat Murray now. But of course he has. We can't daresay that differences in tennis performance are marginal, not vast, can we?

    I await the tediously predictable insulting riposte.
     
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  3. NadalDramaQueen

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    Fans of all players make excuses. Let us not pretend that it is just Fed fans refusing to accept losses. If you step onto the court, you are declaring yourself fit to play. If you are too old, sick, or injured to play, then stay home. These things happen to every player (at least getting old) so they will factor into everyone's record.

    If you dislike posters "hypothesizing" that a player who won every non-clay slam except for one in a period of four years would be able to take on anyone during that period, then don't hypothesize other scenarios. That is what Fed detractors do: lucky that so and so was too young, in addition to weak era nonsense and mentally weak (but more "talented") opponents. Learn history, accept it, and move on. If certain posters would just accept that Federer's wins, titles, and records are legitimate, then they probably wouldn't get as much hell as they do now. Human perception of eras isn't relevant and is likely riddled with personal biases, as is true of human perception in general.
     
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  4. Russeljones

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    lol just lol
     
  5. Hood_Man

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    Almost looks like the racquet is attacking him.
     
  6. No1e

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    Best post ever.
     
  7. Prisoner of Birth

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    Have you seen, like, two posts in your life?
     
  8. Dark Magician

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    :confused:
    care to explain?
     
  9. No1e

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    Do I need your approval? I don't think so. The post is at least a thousand times better and more insightful than any of your posts.
     
  10. *Sparkle*

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    Hardly. He's had some kind of virus while he is in Asia. That doesn't make it Asian flu.

    He was coughing, he's probably a bit achey and feeling out of sorts, but if he had proper flu (Asian or otherwise) he'd not have left his hotel room.

    He supposedly picked it up in Japan, so I'm speculating that he's over the worst, and just in that annoying phase afterwards where you still feel rubbish. Most of us would go to work, but we'd moan a bit, and avoid the gym. Another day and if he gets a good night's sleep then he could be feeling a lot better. Or it might be one of those ones that hangs around, especially when you are running around on a tennis court instead of resting.

    I maintain Andy wasn't playing anything like his own 100%, but he didn't need to against his opponents so far, so it's hard to tell what he'd manage if pushed. The same goes for Roger.

    They both know today's match is much bigger than anything they've played so far, and barring a sudden worsening of the aforementioned cold/old-age, I expect both to play better.

    I hope for their sakes and ours, that both are playing well.
     
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    Good post (and not just because Dangalak is a Murray troll)
     
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  12. batz

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    Looks like the roof is closed for the Noel v Berdych match. If it stays closed then Murray is DOOMED.

    No wind, no win
     
  13. underground

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    Did you see it's actually closed? Is it raining? I remember the Fed-Stan match had the roof open and it was night time.
     
  14. Hood_Man

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    If they lowered the air conditioning units onto the court then that should give sufficient wind for Murray to work his magic.

    But then... it's indoors, which means Federer can't lose.

    Nobody would lose :shock:
     
  15. underground

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    Since when Federer is affected by wind, it's always been Berdych and Djokovic.
     
  16. batz

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    C'mon now - enough with the paradoxical stuff - you'll break the space-time continuum.

    Anyway, it would only work if you put the A/C units at Roger's end. Everyone knows that wind doesn't blow near Murray and that's how come he won the USO.
     
  17. No1e

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    I changed my mind. Murray in 2.
     
  18. Russeljones

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    But of course TTMR. Time has stopped for Roger Federer. He is in his prime and has been for a decade. Unfortunately for him the young guns that are Nadal, Djokovic and Murray, have all matured now and caught up to him showing just how ordinary he really is. Of course TTMR.
     
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    Or.....the organisation recognises this problem, gives them both a default win and lets them play doubles against Djokovic in the final!
     
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    Better lose 7-5 7-5 than 6-0 7-6, I agree.
     
  21. Hood_Man

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    That's true.

    OR, you could bring Godzilla over from Tokyo, give him a giant straw, and he can blow air behind Murray to help that "pusher" forehand of his.

    Like a twisted version of table football. We could call it Alternative Table Tennis! :D

    I've found a partner for Novak. Give this guy two tennis racquets and they should get along superbly:

    [​IMG]
     
  22. NadalDramaQueen

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    Everyone rags on Fed for "only" having a four year period of dominance, when all of their own favorite players can sustain one year at a maximum.

    I get the feeling that there are a bunch of trolling privileges riding on this match. :lol:
     
  23. No1e

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    It's more like 6-3 6-2 with Murray winning.
     
  24. NadalDramaQueen

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    So you agree that Murray is going to take out Nole, or did you not understand his post? :lol:
     
  25. No1e

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    I said Murray in 2 for this semi. Not sure why Nole is mentioned here. (I know the 6-0 7-6 thing was him mocking me)
     
  26. NadalDramaQueen

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    Since you want Murray to win, he is suggesting that you would rather Nole lose by a decent score rather than by eating a bagel (from Fed). It is a reasonable desire of yours. :lol:
     
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    Aren't they always. Reminds me of school when I knew if my team had lost the previous weekend I'd be in for a lot of ridicule, and the other way around. Not so amusing at this age however. :)
     
  28. No1e

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    So, the 7-5 7-5 thing refers to the Olympic match between Nole and Murray. Ok, I get it now, but no, Djokovic is gonna win this title.
     
  29. tennis_pro

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    just as the US Open?

    Djokovic has lost his last 2 matches against Federer, his last 2 matches against Murray, his last 3 matches against Nadal.

    The only way he's winning this title is when Murray or Federer ends up winning 7-6 6-7 7-6 or something and has nothing left for the final.
     
  30. No1e

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    You rely too much on their past matches, don't you? I do not believe losing those matches necessarily means Nole will also lose this time. Just look at their forms now. Nole is simply superior to both of them.
     
  31. Rozroz

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    hey BNF (blind Nole Fan), i wonder what will you say IF Fed or Muzz win against Djoko.. will you still be here replying? that's the real deal. what did you say when he flopped at US open? (and don't say it was the wind cause you're basically saying that Novak is crap).
     
  32. tennis_pro

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    Djokovic was looking indestructable at the US Open and he went down to Murray (who managed to win a total of 1 set in his previous slam finals) in the final. He probably would go down to Federer as well if they played. He wouldn't luck out a win against Fed at the Open again.
     
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  33. NadalDramaQueen

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    You should get together with TheF1Bob so that he can teach you how to be a true Nole fan. You're not doing it right. :lol:
     
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    To be fair, everyone thought Djokovic was the more in form, and had an easier journey to the finals of the US Open too.

    Nevertheless, I do think that he's got to be favourite to win tomorrow based on this week's performances so far from Federer and Murray. He is playing brilliantly.
     
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    Say what? What did I say makes you think that? Are you sure Nole will flop again? I don't think so, but even if he does flop again in the final despite playing so well before that, saying him will win does not make me blind.

    Again, not trying to pick a fight here, but this forum is definitely not the friendliest place to be if you happen to be a non-Fed fan.
     
  36. *Sparkle*

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    That will teach me to wait before replying. Everyone's already said the same thing!

    I'll add that it might be to Nole's disadvantage that he's not been seriously challenged this week.

    If Fed or Murray come out today and win with a marked improvement and looking fresh, the final will be tough to call.
     
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    Gosh i'm going to miss this semi
     
  38. NadalDramaQueen

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    Don't take everyone too seriously. It is all in good fun (for most people).
     
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    There's one solution.
     
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    What time is the Federer vs Murray semi-final due to begin London time?
     
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    1 hour from now. 1 p.m. UK time I think.
     
  42. Rozroz

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    i asked you simple questions. why can't you simply answer?
    i'm not a blind Fed fan.
    i don't mind if Nole wins. it's FINE.
    relax. what's wrong with you?
    i'm just interested in how well you swallow losses (and don't worry it's 80% win for Nole).
     
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    What would you say if Fed loses to Murray today?
    My answer would be similar to yours. There you go.
     
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    if Fed loses i'll say: he's not at his best. he movement is slower, Murrzay is growing over him, he had lost the will to win.

    how is this similar to Nole?

    WHY CAN'T YOU JUST ANSWER THE F@#$%NG QUESTIONS?

    well, go on then, you just trolling and not here to produce dialog.
    i had it with you.
     
  45. No1e

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    Okay, if Nole loses, I would say he just had a bad day. However, the way you ask the questions, along with all the cursing and name calling, is undesirable. Why do you think people want to "produce dialog" with you when you behave like a total D-bag.

    You are far more of a troll than I am, literally.
     
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  46. Rozroz

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    did you notice i started getting pissed AFTER you didn't want to answer any question while i did my best to give you any info you wanted. you're on ignore, sorry.
     
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    Really? Like I care? LOL
     
  48. tennis_pro

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    Well I don't remember him going to every Djokovic thread and saying "Djokovic in easy 2 sets no matter who he's playing" or "Djokovic pwns the tennis world".

    I've seen some obnoxious Djokovic fans here but you top them all.
     
  49. Rozroz

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    ignore lists are the best invention since sliced bread ;)
     
  50. No1e

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    Honestly, look at those opponents that Djokovic has been playing. Why saying Djokovic in 2 easy sets = trolling?

    Find me any single post did I say "Djokovic pwns the tennis world". I dare you.

    Just say what you want, and I have every right to do the same.
     

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