Federer must make the switch or he will descend even more

Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by The Baseline, Jul 8, 2010.

  1. The Baseline

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    look i know youve heard enough of a federer racquet switch already but this time its serious. federer falling to number 3 is catastrophic at the least. federers game has really taken a hit because of a lack of power. what he needs to do to make up for it is to go to a wide beamed 95-98 frame. federer should do some testing with wilson and look at the BLX Pro Open. A 96 inch frame would work well for federer at this point in his career.
     
  2. AM95

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    OP your false. he's been at the top with the same racket since 2003.

    he needs to work on his movement, so that he's moving at least at the same level as he was in AO 2010, but more preferably the way he was moving in Cinci 09.

    If Fed is actually suferring from injury, its quite understandable as to why he's being beaten by big hitters because they are moving him around instead of the other way around.
     
  3. Breaker

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    Agreed, this clown might actually win a few slams if he went to a bigger frame. I don't know why no one has ever suggested this.
     
  4. The Baseline

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    just look at the misses, the whiffs as of recent. federer needs a bigger headsize to inspire confidence. federer is bowing down to his traditional 90 sq inch frame. you see heres the new motto for federer

    5 MORE SQUARE INCHES=5 MORE SLAMS
     
  5. SilverRhythm

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    So when Nadal starts losing, should he use a 105sq inch racquet?

    You guys just gotta accept that Fed will never be as dominant as he was before. It's just a natural progression.
     
  6. baseline_monster

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    Hahahaha, so if he frames a ball with a 90, he will middle it on a 95? He is losing due to lack of movement, lack of confidence and maybe being tired, he has been on top since 04. If people spent longer on court hitting and less time thinking about this trash they would improve.
     
  7. drakulie

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    I disagree. He should switch to a smaller head size (40 sq inches). This way, he will have to concentrate more.
     
  8. skiracer55

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    There was another post...

    ...in Tennis Tips/Instruction where the OP said that Federer's forehand had technical faults, and he needed to change it. There's also the thought, running through this thread and others, that he's not moving as well as he used to.

    All of the above could be true. However, even though he just got beaten in the quarters of two Slams (which was going to happen eventually), he still won the Australian, and I'd bet on him to win the USO this year.

    So maybe there's nothing wrong with Roger that a well-deserved vacation won't fix. However...having said all that good stuff, as a ski racer and tennis player, if my game goes off, one initial tactic I'll try is, change the tool rather than the way I use the tool and see what happens. So, IMHO, I don't think it's as drastic as saying that Fed "has to" go to a bigger head size racket, but it might be interesting if he tried one or two, in practice. I'm pretty sure Wilson could come up with some demos...
     
  9. Rabbit

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    Smaller and more importantly heavier so he can "pierce the court"
     
  10. BreakPoint

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    So why is that it 99% of the pros that use racquets bigger than 90 sq. in. have never won even a single Slam? :confused:

    And if 5 more square inches = 5 more Slams, why wouldn't 50 more square inches = 50 more Slams? :)
     
  11. lisp

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    Federer should soooo change to a Gamma Big Bubba 29 he'd win so many more slams with that.
     
  12. BullDogTennis

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    do you REALLY think 5 square inches is going to cut down that much on mishits, and whiffs? federers racquet is the least of his problems id say...
     
  13. Doubles

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    I don't see why people think he needs to change his racket. It's not his bad foot work, at least not entirely, it's the fact that he's aging. It happens to everyone, the great ones won't dominate forever, it's the same thing that happened with Sampras, Agassi, and every other great tennis player. Eventually, everyone starts to slow down, and it appears such is the case for Federer...
     
  14. Razda

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    I am thinking, Federer should try the 95 during practice and see how it goes. No hurt in trying something new.
     
  15. GetBetterer

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    He's played with a 90 in. racket (and smaller in his earlier career) and he has maintained #1 for 200+ weeks with it... changing won't help him by much.
     
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    This is another of the long line of threads that think somehow a fraction of an inch extra room in the string bed is going to make a huge difference in hitting a ball that has a diameter of about 2.5 inches. It doesn't make that much difference.

    This thread is based on a silly premise anyway. Federer was number one for so many years. He can only go down as he ages. That's just the way reality works. A frame change won't fix that.
     
  17. OrangeOne

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    Yes, I was going to post something similar.
    • Federer's current slam count: 16
    • Federer's current racquet headsize: 90
    • Federer's maximum headsize: 178.25 sq in (as specified by the ITF)
    • This thread contends that for every extra inch of headsize, Federer will win another slam.
    Federer's slam potential is 104.25 titles!!!

    Nadal fans will be disappointed to know he maxes out at only 86.25!! ;)
     
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    Catastrophic? Really? A soon to be 29 year old fantastic tennis player has dropped - wait for it.... two points in his ranking. Come on, a little perspective please.

    Listen, I'm a huge fan of Roger's game. I think, repeat think, some of this has to do with the points system - I could be wrong. He won the French and Wimbledon last year - can't gain points on those results. Loses in the 1/4s at both so he takes a big hit. Those along with a few other results. Like Nadal last year(all of his FO and beyond results are positive points), now he has an opportunity to "bank" points after the AO of 11. Win a couple of events - a tune up to the French, IW or Miami, a Wimby tune up and all of the sudden he's got a chance at moving up.

    Why don't we let the summer hard courts play out and then talk about the catastrophe that is his game.
     
  19. GetBetterer

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    Lol OrangeOne...you make me lol.
     
  20. Rockitdog

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    Nah- Federer is done, he should just retire!


    j u s t k i d d i n g
     
  21. cy1126dragonamul

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    federer's getting old
    nothing lasts forever~~!!!
     
  22. Solomnstr

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    change of frame?
    When he's been using this one frame and been as dominant as he has?
    That's gotta be the last of his worries.
    I'd bet on fed reaching the USO final
     
  23. 15_ounce

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    I have a feeling that Federer will lose in the 1st round of US OPEN.
     
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    29 years old, two kids, back and foot injury, 2 weeks of lung infection, tons of charity work and still number 3 in the world. it's not the racket.
     
  25. Seth

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    Enough said.
     
  26. Bud

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    We should merge this with the Federer excuse thread :p
     
  27. Fedace

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    lack of power ??? more like Lack of control. Fed's forehand has been real Crap this year. 99% of the time it sails LONG....
     
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    Why can't anyone realize one little thing?
    When you start to suck at something, it's because of yourself, not the equipment. You can't blame a change in play on the racket if you used to play well with it.
     
  29. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Perhaps to the Prince "God" frame Drak? :) What was that thing anyway? 20si? :) BHBH
     
  30. Bud

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    IIRC, it's 10-12 sq. in.

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    Laid on 110 sq. in. Wilson

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  31. baseline_monster

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    Classic Fedace there! So he makes 1 in 100 forehands!?
     
  32. hoodjem

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    Didn't we see this same thread last year, right before the 2009 French Open.
     
  33. Kunohara

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    Yea and he won the AO. Imagine if he made just 1% more... the world would be his for the taking !
     
  34. baseline_monster

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    I know man, how people can take a thread like this seriously is beyond me! The guy had won the AO, made the quarters of FO and SW19 and he is done........ OK! Like the guy said earlier, he has got 2 kids now, ruled the game and was untouchable for 5 strait years and is getting older, and maybe a bit bored! Whenever you reach great highs, people want to see you fall, its inevitable. Looking forward to the Fedexpress rolling up to the US and spanking these boys and showing people he is still here!
     
  35. Povl Carstensen

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    Federer falling to number three is catastrophic, he he...
     
  36. AJK1

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    So true, most people on these boards can't play, so they talk this crap instead.
     
  37. raiden031

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    All he needs to do is practice with a 65" wooden racquet and then play matches with his 90" racquet and it will be cake for him.
     
  38. The Baseline

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    federer falling to number three is a big hit for the tennis world. you dont think its catastrophic because you probally arent around the game much. worldwide federer is arguably more popular than tiger woods and is sitting in the passenger seat only to michael jordan. federers collapse is monumental and is historical because of just how high he set the bar and for a player like djokovic to pass roger in the rankings serves as one of the biggest storylines in tennis history. federer is and by far is the most skilled player to ever play on the tour, yet his skill hasnt diminished that much. its little things like an extra bit of pop from the racquet and some added speed to his forehand and backhand. federer needs to try an 11-11.5 98 square inch frame and watch him win slam after slam. its just the little things......
     
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    ^^^^ I hope you're not this dramatic in real life......
     
  40. HBK4life

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    I bet if Qui Gon Jinn had a lightsaber with a wider beam and a little less head heavy he would have beat Darth Maul.
     
  41. mtommer

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    Wow, I had no idea 5-8 sq inches is the cure for a bad back. Someone tell the Chiropracters quick quick!
     
  42. BreakPoint

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    Exactly! It's not his racquet.

    I'd bet people who start these threads are people who can't handle a 90 sq. in. racquet themselves so they think the best player who ever lived must also not be able to handle it. Think about how dumb that sounds.
     
  43. baseline_monster

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    Like the people who say Pure drives etc are chick sticks, knock knock, enters Andy Roddick, Rafa Nadal and Jo Wilfried-Tsonga!
     
  44. r2473

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    Are we talking about tennis frames or penis enlargement?
     
  45. baseline_monster

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    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha
    Breathe
    hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahaha
    love it
     
  46. Don't Let It Bounce

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    Now I'm wondering what he meant by "slams".
     
  47. Jaewonnie

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    Federer should use a Prestige mid
     
  48. KHSOLO

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    Maybe the GOAT doesnt know whats best for him
     
  49. slice bh compliment

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    No thanks. That will feel like trash to him, coming from the Pro Staff and tour 90 families of frames.

    95 to 98 head, 18 to 21mm beam, 13 ounces. headlight balance, firm layup, but not too firm.

    You're right, though, it'll have to be a Wilson. But it's funny to imagine him with some other great frames from other manufacturers: the Babolat PSL. Dunlop 200 Tour. Volkl c10 Pro. Prestige (a real one, not that ****e they're putting out nowadays).

    EDIT:
    He will not do this now. November through January to hang with the Wilson product mgrs... playtest and adjust. Oz Oipen final, I'm hoiping.
     
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    R u people for real?????
     

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