Federer & Nadal - as frustrated with Ettiene de Villiers as the fans

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by laurie, Apr 16, 2007.

  1. laurie

    laurie Guest

    #1
  2. Swissv2

    Swissv2 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2005
    Messages:
    2,491
    Location:
    Tennis Courts!
    Good for them. I am glad both of them spoke up.
     
    #2
  3. Fedexeon

    Fedexeon Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    1,950
    Seriously i really don't know what ATP can do... Before the decision for revamp, fans and players were complaining about the schedules, saying how tiring it is to compete in tournaments.. and now ATP tries to change something, the players and fans are shouting to stop the reform...
    US is the biggest market for tennis, even though people may say that tennis is nothing in US, it still generates sufficient revenue... I see no reasons cutting down those events in US.
     
    #3
  4. Swissv2

    Swissv2 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2005
    Messages:
    2,491
    Location:
    Tennis Courts!
    But did you take a chance to listen to Fed and Nad's position about the issue? TBH, for the most part they are not the ones to complain, but when world #1, #2, #3 speak up then there must be SOME validity to their position.
     
    #4
  5. Fedexeon

    Fedexeon Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    1,950
    Hey, we are talking about business here. Theres sure some pros and cons here and there. I mean, Monte Carlo doesn't generate enough revenues, they may be even losing money organizing that tournament, so its just normal for them to be downgraded. If someone is investing money on something, i don't think that he/she will put the money on something that is losing money....
     
    #5
  6. vive le beau jeu !

    vive le beau jeu ! G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2006
    Messages:
    11,575
    Location:
    Ometepe, Pink Granite, Queyras, Kerguelen (...)
    mr. mickey is really pulling everybody's leg !
    no, we are precisely not talking about business but tennis.
    that is the problem... ;)
     
    #6
  7. dh003i

    dh003i Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2006
    Messages:
    5,137
    Tennis is a business. It is reasonable for sponsors and investors to want to make money.

    The problem is when you ignore tradition, and **** off top players, that creates problems for making money.

    If the players were neutral, it probably would be a profit-increasing decision. Since the players are against it, I doubt it'll be a profit-increasing decision.
     
    #7
  8. splink779

    splink779 Guest

    No, tennis is game. If it becomes purely a business, no one is going to want to participate, and that includes fans and players (as Ljubicic said). I'm glad the players are speaking up.
     
    #8
  9. sureshs

    sureshs Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2005
    Messages:
    35,793
    This ET guy HAS to go.
     
    #9
  10. framebreaker

    framebreaker Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2006
    Messages:
    487
    amen,
    i can't imagine selling my mother for money
     
    #10
  11. Chauvalito

    Chauvalito Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,582
    Federer did exactly what I said he would do in a situation like this. Please refer to the thread about Fed being anti-semitic if you care to see specifically what I said


    I spoke in another thread having to do with a poster equating Federer playing dubai with being anti-semitic.

    The poster suggested that Federer should boycott UAE tournaments until Jewish players play there.

    I stated that Federer would not boycot, but would instead, encourage a dialogue.

    he did just that today with his comments on teh fate of monte Carlo.
     
    #11
  12. Chauvalito

    Chauvalito Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,582
    I suspect that if ET goes through with hi splan, he may face a boycott from the top players...

    ET has no idea what he is doing. The initial reaction on the boards matched the players sentiments. Even most tennis fans have a general idea of what is progress, and what is idiotic.

    Again, I really liked what Sony did with Miami, they made the tournament an experience, and not just an event.

    Where else can you play tennis under black lights, dance to a live band, and have a few drinks with frisnds...all at the same time!!

    Of course, groups of people will not like it but the demographic that Sony was aiming for showed up and enjoyed it.

    Maybe ET should give Sony a call, and speak with the marketing department....
     
    #12
  13. CyBorg

    CyBorg Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2007
    Messages:
    5,544
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    You're an idiot. And you're uninformed.

    Post when you're informed. Don't post when you don't know what you're talking about.

    Monte Carlo is not losing money. Monte Carlo draws great crowds. This is why the talk of downgrading is so befuddling.
     
    #13
  14. tintin

    tintin Professional

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2007
    Messages:
    1,438
    Location:
    none of your damn business
    Monte Carlo I'm sure is making more money than Houston mate;have you seen the crownds in Houston?
    95% empty :lol: :lol:
    Monte Carlo is always packed with either tourists from Italy,Spain,Switzerland and other places or local people and they spend money;lots and lots of it:D
     
    #14
  15. Baghdatis72

    Baghdatis72 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2006
    Messages:
    2,239
    Location:
    CY - UK
    What's the next idea of ET? Perhaps downgrade Wimbledon and cancel grass as a tennis surface? :confused:
     
    #15
  16. stoneagle

    stoneagle Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2006
    Messages:
    146
    yes ATP is becoming too much for the top pro players, ATP make tennis as business not a game. i can't blame the top tennis players if they retire early someday. these players are humans Not robots, all the ATP is thinking
    is more profit,more profit especially for the US tournaments. i think the
    ATP will discourage more tennis players not to become a pro in the future if they don't cut down on the schedules and if ATP don't give chances for the other countries to have their own masters series or open tournaments.
     
    #16
  17. splink779

    splink779 Guest

    You may already know this, but they are making Masters Series worth 1000 points and Grand Slams worth 2000! In this case, why even bother winning the small events? I feel that is going to be a fatal blow to the tour, as it will decrease big name players in smaller tourneys.
     
    #17
  18. Aykhan Mammadov

    Aykhan Mammadov Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2004
    Messages:
    1,673
    Location:
    Baku, Azerbaijan
    There is no need to decrease the number of tournaments. It is better to change the system of the calculation of ranking in such a way when a player can play in less tournaments than he must do today.

    Then, if anyway there is necessity to decrease the number of tournaments better to do it in USA. First because Europe is a place of birth of tennis, traditions. In the second, for players to move to USA or say to Australia is always problematic, aircrafts, time, schedule of the day is changing and etc...
     
    #18
  19. rfprse

    rfprse Professional

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Messages:
    870
    Reading from this article, it's no wonder that the tournaments are suing atp.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article1658006.ece
    The funny thing is the "I hate doubles" guy who's the chairman of IW tournament is also named as defendant along with de vil liers & atp.
    This makes him look like the main "tennis brain" behind all the crap de villiers puts out there....
     
    #19
  20. Baghdatis72

    Baghdatis72 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2006
    Messages:
    2,239
    Location:
    CY - UK
    Well that will give the killer blow to the ATP for good. The events that are not Masters or Grand Slams will be something like challengers today and the challengers won't be enough to boost rankings for players at lower ranks. The strong will prevail and the weaker won't have a chance to go up.

    Anyone has the complete booklet with the changes in PDF form?
     
    #20
  21. Moose Malloy

    Moose Malloy Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2005
    Messages:
    7,924
    Ouch, & Miles was such a big fan of Roger(he's interviewed in that Facing Federer doc)

    You guys really need to get off the 'events should be axed in the US' tangent. Indian Wells/Miami have 2 of the 3 largest stadiums in the world & offer more prize money than the other masters series. Monte Carlo has a much smaller stadium, less sponsors, less courts, less attendance, how can it be nearly as profitable as any ms in North America?
     
    #21
  22. rfprse

    rfprse Professional

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Messages:
    870
    Despite all the pizazz that you've mentioned, we know that IW's been insolvent until not long ago. (So, not sure IW's been more profitable.)
    Or was it just a ploy to get the easy money from the u.s. tennis powers?
    There was a talk about selling the tournament to china at that time.
    Maybe, it would have been better (for tennis, overall) if IW was sold at the time.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2007
    #22
  23. vive le beau jeu !

    vive le beau jeu ! G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2006
    Messages:
    11,575
    Location:
    Ometepe, Pink Granite, Queyras, Kerguelen (...)
    monte-carlo is cool.

    "profitable"... in which terms ?
    to have an important tournament in such a nice place is also good for tennis' image.

    i mean, the stadium is not as big as miami, but did you see where it's located ? the place is beautiful, on the côte d'azur between the sea and the mountains, monte-carlo is an interesting place, there is an historical (tennistically speaking !) aspect as the tournament is old... and many players obviously love it !
    ok ok.... including the players who live there for not paying taxes ! ;)
    tennis also needs good old tournaments like this. :)
    (come on roger, keep defending monte-carlo !)

    i'm not talking about removing miami... but seriously, between monte-carlo and cincinnati, if one has to go......
     
    #23
  24. caulcano

    caulcano Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    1,637
    Yeah, he will eventually.

    The guy must hate tennis.
     
    #24
  25. Fedexeon

    Fedexeon Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    1,950
    They are making Monte Carlo a Masters Series 500 event, which is a step lower than Masters Series 1000 but bigger than normal events. I don't know why people are so worried about it.
     
    #25
  26. tintin

    tintin Professional

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2007
    Messages:
    1,438
    Location:
    none of your damn business
    Cincy and New Haven can go but leave MC alone
     
    #26
  27. Buuurnz

    Buuurnz Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2006
    Messages:
    310
    Location:
    Hamburg / Germany

    and leave Hamburg alone as well...I love that tourney!
     
    #27
  28. Moose Malloy

    Moose Malloy Legend

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2005
    Messages:
    7,924
    I like Monte Carlo as well, for its unique background. But do you really think it will suffer that much from being downgraded though? Many top 10 players have skipped it over the years, I'm betting more than any other masters series(except maybe Hamburg), so even with this "masters series" status, many top players gave it a pass. And yet it still survived, had good turnouts(since clay specialists would never skip it) Agassi, Sampras, Courier, & Chang hardly ever played it due to the fact that its way too early in the claycourt season.

    The first North American MS is only played 3 weeks before the US Open, while Monte Carlo is played 7 weeks before the French. Does that make sense? Why do players need to play more on clay than hardcourt prior to a slam?
    So many of the best claycourters over the years seem burned out by the time the French comes around, so I think due to Monte Carlo's spot on the calendar it should go.

    As far as Cincinnati/Canada goes, since they are so close to the US Open, they will always get good fields, no need for them to be masters series either. There are far too many masters series, even with the new changes, there will still be 8, & top players will still skip some regardless.
     
    #28
  29. kingdaddy41788

    kingdaddy41788 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,753
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    How about making some MS tournaments on grass, for a change?
     
    #29
  30. tintin

    tintin Professional

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2007
    Messages:
    1,438
    Location:
    none of your damn business
    you're right Buu I like Hamburg too:D
     
    #30
  31. NamRanger

    NamRanger G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2005
    Messages:
    13,916
    I completely agree with you.
     
    #31
  32. rfprse

    rfprse Professional

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Messages:
    870
    US summer hard court season starts much earlier. Only difference is that there's no m.s. worthy tournament in the earlier part of the season.

    I don't see any reason why the long time gap between a m.s. tournament & a major is a problem. If it's too close to a major, then it could be a problem.

    In terms of 'burn out', it's hard to believe that replacing m.c. and hamburg with a two week tournament in madrid would help (even if the burn out were to be a real concern of atp behind the change).
    Furthermore, the playing condition in madrid such as high altitude would only makes players hard to adjust for the French open. We don't want good players who would advance further in madrid will lose early in Roland Garros as a result, do we?

    The m.c & hamburg for madrid change seems to be a change just for the tournament director of madrid who's disgruntled about his spot in the calendar and whose idea of promoting tennis is hiring 3rd rate model wannabes as ball persons...
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2007
    #32

Share This Page