Federer needs a new racquet

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  1. Torres

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    These small headed racquets seem to be from a bygone age.

    No doubt he sticks with it, simply because that's what he's used to and grown up playing. If he moved to a a slightly larger headed, less demanding frame, he really should not be a risk of being overpowered or being forced onto the back foot as much against the likes of Nadal and Djokovic. Even a mishit might just trickle over the net rather than being an inch or two below the tape.

    88/90sq" just acts as a disadvantage to him.

    Federer is a wonderful talent, and if he was at the peak of his powers, then fine, but he is in (or approaching) the autumn of his career, he's never been hugely successful on slower courts, and is showing some fallibility. Why make life more difficult with a demanding small headed racquet? He's the only person at the upper levels that plays with such a stick. People will talk about all the slams he won but nobody doubts his greatness. But the peak of those slams were a few years ago when he was younger, at the peak of his powers, and the competition wasn't quite as fierce.

    Annacone's got him to try and shorten the points and play more of an attacking game, and whilst there's nothing wrong with that, he's going to have to be almost pitch perfect in every stroke that he hits at the top 2 or 3 players to carry that off. Just being a fraction off or having a day where's he's not quite 100% is going to produce the sort of higher error count that visible during the Djokovic match.

    I remember Annacone floated the idea of a racquet change with Sampras and the only reason Sampras didn't change was because it was what he was used to and was wary about transitioning his game when at a stage where his career was already 'time limited'.
     
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  2. Carolina Racquet

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    I respectfully disagree. Federer plays well with that frame. Sometimes, you get outplayed regardless of the stick you use.
     
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  3. DennisK

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    This topic has been discussed to death already. Multiple times.
     
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    Yeah, he should throw away that old broomstick of his.
     
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    Thread Fail.

    Federer DOES NOT need a new racquet. Why do these stupid threads always come up when he loses? People shank with 100" frames, and those people dont even take the ball on the rise. This is a product of Fed's game, and a 95 or 100 inch frame will NOT stop it from happening. In fact, he will simply just hit error after error because the new frame wouldnt have the necessary control and precision.

    /END THREAD
     
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  7. Bartelby

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    He may indeed need a bigger racquet for such dead courts. After all, it's the Spaniards that made the pure drive what it is.
     
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    I don't recall you posting this thought after Fed won the year end championship in London. Did you feel his racquet was fine two months ago?
     
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  9. FedererBestTennis

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    Fed does not need a new racquet! He loves his prostaff and he's won 16 grand slams with it, so I'm sure something is going right for him with that stick! Djoko just outplayed him, that's all!
     
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  10. Bartelby

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    If he were back in 2002, he would have upped his 85 to 95 if he could have predicted fully the future of tennis.
     
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    i wouldn't be surprised in the next few days if people start making threads like:
    DelPo needs a lighter racquet
    Federer needs faster running shoes
    Roddick needs a power balance band
    Wozniacki needs a babolat stencil

    stupid thread
     
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  12. t0nym4c

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    nadal needs a new knee lol
     
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    Fed needs a new backhand that doesn't shank as much.
     
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  14. decades

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    he needs a time machine to become 24 again.
     
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  15. Rusty669

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    Federer actually did hit a lot of mishits today off both wings!
    Especially the backhand-drive seemed to be very prone to the mishits,but on the other hand you could also see Djokovic firing the ball into the crowd after hitting the frame too.

    I really am not sure if a 95 head racket would change that much,on the backhands you could see that he shanked the ball only if he brushed up on the ball a fraction of a second too early.
    To me it is all down to timing,and Roger didn't seem totally on form today.
    Plus,if you have won 16 grand slams and a few other tournaments it would be really hard to change a winning setup.
    He played magnificently at the World Tour Finals and at the start of this year,I am afraid that his movement isn't up to scratch anymore as it used to be,although he still moves better than a lot of players on tour.
    Putting losses like this down to the small racket headsize seems like an easy excuse.although I did shout the same idea at the tv today after yet another Fed backhand mishit!:)
    But that was just in the heat of the moment....
     
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  16. BounceHitBounceHit

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    This kind of thing takes away from the fact Djokovic played very well, and won. The end, period. ;) BHBH
     
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    Its the Indian, not the Arrow!
     
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    If only he would pay attention and become a member of TTW and read threads like this!!!!!!!!! Cause WE know!

    when will the maaaaaadness stop?????

    stupid Federer, he would be up to 40 Grand Slams by now with a 100 sq. in. stick.
     
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    You pretty much answered it for yourself.

    He's the only guy who has a complete flawless all-court game.
    He's the only guy with 16 grand slam titles.
    He's the only guy that can hit the sweetspot of a 90" 99/100 times.
    He's the only guy in the top 10 who prefers power, stability, control and touch over a 100" frying pan

     
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  20. BradThomas2121

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    Why not stick with what has got him to this point? It fits him and there is no need to switch. He is the best ever so far. Fed is great still and has just been off at the last few majors and met players who r playing really well. IMO i kinda think he is only going to get a few more majors bcuz, i think he slowly falling and many others are on the rise at the moment
     
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    last night while i was watching the match, i didn't think about his choice of equipment but rather him and his coach didn't have a plan to execute when facing an in-form djokovic.
     
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  22. sureshs

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    Nice pun to be found there.

    But seriously, the reason he should not stick with it is because his body is not sticking to its younger years. As he grows older, becomes slower, eyesight diminished, testosterone levels lowered, he becomes physically and mentally less competitive.

    At least he should give it a try.
     
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  24. BreakPoint

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    Federer needs a bigger racquet? Wow, what a concept! I don't think I've ever heard anyone come up with that before. Why didn't I think of it? :wink: LOL
     
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    And any frying pan wont change it
     
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    Even Federer did not think of it.

    I hope Annacone knocks some sense into his head. The young ones are knocking on his door and he needs to get the latest equipment. Tiger Woods upgraded to a bigger driver, why can't Fed do it?
     
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    isnt the radius of a 100 and a 90 inch racket just fraction of an inch? so would that extra little bit on each side really help. coming from someone who has hit with a 107 and 90, if you shank with a 90, you are still gunna shank with the 107 and if it isnt a shank. it is a pretty bad mishit anyways.
     
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  28. JGads

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    I agree that this has been discussed ad nauseam, but I do think the argument does hold water. Sampras himself said after he was done that he might have won a few more majors had he not been stubborn and tried a lighter frame there at the end of his career. Fed is still good enough to get away with his newfound shankiness in the early rounds of tourneys, but when he starts going up against the big hitters in the Top 5 (Rafa, Djok, Soderling), he now gives up about 10 free points a match on those shanks, and with these Top 5 guys, that is often the difference. Every time they did that super-slow-mo shot last night, you see that the ball catches the frame on every one of those shanks. Something just a touch bigger/lighter could keep him in those points rather than gifting them away. I love the guy, but man do those shanks make me cringe.
     
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  29. kishnabe

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    Knees problems come with a 100 square inch racquet...better to stick with 90 inch!
     
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    That's an overstatement. I think he said that he would like to have tried a larger headsize (probably like a 90) to have a better chance on clay.
     
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  31. sureshs

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    Oh man, here we go again. I have discussed this many times.

    The increase in area is small, but the increase in volume as the racquet is swept thru the air allows for more margin for swing path errors.

    Secondly, the larger head also produces more power. The power is of a different nature than adding lead to a smaller head.

    Thirdly, it is not only about shanking. Shots away from the sweetzone also retain some power.
     
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    Isn't it funny how people remember the shanks but not the number of well hit balls and most certainly not the number of remarkably well hit balls?
     
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    That is human psychology
     
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  34. NLBwell

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    Actually, sounds like he needs a thinner racket - maybe a Donnay.
    :)
     
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    those shanks that he hit yesterday still would have been shanks if it was a 100sq. as a wilson 90 user, i havent found another bigger headsized racquet that offers the same control, feel and touch i get with this racket. i definately think in the power department, its not as powerful as the head 98s and babolat 100s. but for federer, feel and control is what he is going for.

    didnt safin use a prestige mid which is like 89.5 sq? i dont remember anyone saying he should switch rackets.
     
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  36. BreakPoint

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    Federer doesn't do everything that Tiger does, as we all know all too well by now. :shock:

    And tennis isn't about hitting the ball farther.
     
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  37. BreakPoint

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    Sampras might have lost a few more Majors too if he had switched to a bigger or lighter racquet. Hindsight is always 20/20. It's like saying - if I had only picked those winning lottery numbers last night..........:)
     
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    I am sorry to hear you began losing your manhood at 29!

    And you can't even ogle properly now :D :D !!! That's cruel !
     
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    Why is it necessary for a NEW thread on this? It's not like it's been discussed trillions of times. SEARCH function people! And for the record what pros have had success while making mid career racquet changes? I mean really, seriously...
     
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    I sort of agree with Torres on this one. Although it would be considered a radical change (esp. by the regs on this board), it would suit him better I believe. Only a few times did I see him successfully use Djokovic's pace for a winner. He's getting overpowered far too much lately. "The King" needs a "'lil more pop" these days. I would estimate that the only other players in the Top 10 not using a racquet with decidedly more power than Feds would be Murray and Soderling. One is much younger and the other much stronger. I know this sounds ridiculous to the conservative ear, but there is truth to it this time. C'mon now....
     
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    Is it because Tiger has better "equipment" than Federer?
     
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    It is not just about the incremental area, as I said before.
     
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    Fed often goes to a new racquet the game before new balls I've noticed (so he goes for a new racquet typically in games 6, 15, 24, etc).

    He seems to have a large supply. In fact, I've never seen him run out.

    I don't think it is so much the racquet however. It is because of the strings.
     
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    Obviously it is for the fresh strings. Did you really think it was for the racquet? C'mon, be honest.
     
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    know that federer been using the same racquet since he was a junior. that being said, if he was to change frames, it would be interesting to see how quickly he can adjust to it and whether he'll be able to ever play on the same level as he is with his 90.

    judging by all the balls he shanked into the crowd vs djokovic, something unusual was going on with roger during the match. it was just one of his rare off days i guess. we know that when roger loses the 1st set its a flip of the coin (50/50 or even less against roger) that will determine the outcome.
     
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  49. sureshs

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    No, he was using a 85 and then changed to a 90 because, according to him, it was causing more shanks (of course, posters who cannot hit even one shot like him will tell you that it cannot be true because a shank on one will be shank on the other, but that is a different story).
     
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  50. tennisexecutor

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    i stand corrected. when did federer switch to the 90? was it mid-end 2002 when fed started to break into the top 10 by any chance? it makes me wonder whether the decision to switch to the 90 was driven by wilson in some way. he could have went with the existing 95 but they ended up introducing a new line for fed.
     
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