Federer No. 1 — in all sports

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  1. DoubleDeuce

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    Another major site calling Roger best athlete of all sports.

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    Some people are still debating whether Roger Federer is the greatest tennis player of all time. But as Katie (or at least her lawyer) said to Tom, it’s over.

    Monday, Federer will set a record by being ranked No. 1 in the world for the 287th week of his career. Along with his many other unassailable records suggest, that confirms he’s not only the best player in tennis history, but the most successful male athlete in any major individual pro sport. Federer is simply the most dominant competitor of our time.

    Major totals:

    Yes, Jack Nicklaus won 18, but he did that over a 24-year stretch, winning three majors in his 40s (rare in golf, but impossible in tennis). Federer has appeared in 24 finals (a tennis record) and won 17 (another record) over a stretch of only 37 tournaments. That means for nine years he made it to just under two-thirds of the finals and won almost half of them. For almost six of those years, you had to beat Federer to win a major. He either won or lost to the eventual champion in 23 straight Grand Slam tournaments.

    Three majors, three times:

    Tiger Woods had a great year in 2000, when he won three majors and finished fifth in the other one. In 2005, he won two majors and finished second and fourth in the other two.

    Those are two phenomenal seasons. Federer has had five of a comparable nature. He won three majors in a season three different times, and in two of those years he was the runner-up in the fourth tournament. In 2005, he won two Slams and was a semifinalist in the other two. And in 2009 he won two majors and was runner up in the other two.

    An unprecedented reign:

    From 2004 to 2007, Federer had a streak of glory unequalled by any pro athlete. He won 11 of 16 Grand Slam events. Compare that to other tennis greats. In his best four-year stretch, Pete Sampras won seven majors. Same for Rafael Nadal. Last year, Novak Djokovic had one of the best seasons in tennis history and he started 2012 by winning the Australian Open. To match Federer, however, he’d have to win seven of the next nine Slams. Good luck with that, Nole.

    Steffi Graf, who won 22 majors, picked up 10 trophies in her best four-year stretch, one fewer than Federer.

    Even more impressive is that Federer continued to play almost as well even after those spectacular years, appearing in eight of the next nine major finals and winning four of them.

    In Tiger Woods’ best four years, he won seven majors. He finished second once and in the top 10 three other times. But in the other five events, he finished anywhere from 12th to 29th. Three of those finishes were the equivalent of being knocked out in the third round of a tennis tournament. That hasn’t happened to Federer since 2004.

    Unmatchable streaks:

    Federer has now appeared in 33 straight quarterfinals at majors. That’s more than eight years of making it to the final eight and more than twice as many as the next-best streak, Ivan Lendl at 14. But Federer also rattled off 23 straight appearances in the semifinals, almost six years of top-four appearances (the next-best streak is 10). And he made 10 straight trips to major finals, missed one and then went on to make the next eight, giving him a stretch of 18 finals in 19 tournaments. No one else in the Open era has made more than five finals in a row. So Federer has the best streak (twice as long as anyone else) and the second-best (60 per cent longer).

    Number one:

    Monday, Federer will achieve the one record many thought he would miss. Nadal has been No. 1 for 102 weeks in his career, so he’s still three-and-a-half years back. Djokovic has 53 weeks at No. 1, so he needs four-and-a-half more years to match Federer.

    At one point, Federer was No. 1 for 237 consecutive weeks, a period of more than four-and-a-half years. That record is a year-and-a-half longer than the previous mark.

    Overall greatness:

    Even Federer’s supposed slumps are only rough spots in comparison to his greatness. Many people point out he has won only one major since January 2010. But he has still made the semifinals at seven of the past eight Grand Slam tournaments. Many players of any age would be thrilled with that, let alone those in their 30s. Djokovic is the only player who has made more semi-finals over the same stretch.

    And it’s not like Federer has been playing against a weak field. He’s up against one of the other all-time greats in Nadal, plus Djokovic, who could join the list in a year or two. If Nadal had chosen soccer over tennis, Federer might have another five major trophies in his closet.

    Federer might stretch some of these records even further. But even if he retired today, he’d be not only the greatest tennis player ever, but the best individual athlete of our time.

    http://www.canada.com/Sports/Tennis/Federer+sports/6935491/story.html

    Posted for fellow Roger fans.

    Bitter fans of other players may disregard.
     
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  2. Fugazi

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    Fed is truly great, but perhaps you should look up Jansher and Jahangir Khan...
     
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    How about non-bitter fans of other players??
     
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    non bitter fans are welcome.

    But they may get bitter after talking to me. ;)

    Jk
     
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    I don't agree with this. Tiger Woods and Michael Phelps are greater. Remember Tiger won 4 majors in a row and has been #1 for 600+ weeks.
     
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    Yeah, but golf is not even a sport. :shock:
     
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    Those have one thing in common,played the racket sport.
     
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    Unlike the ESPN article which left things wide open by saying "BEST EVER", at least this one constrains itself in a couple of ways, with "best individual athlete of our time".

    Sounds more reasonable to me, and an argument I'd be more willing to entertain.
     
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    The fact that Federer at 30 is even in the discussion is pretty amazing.
     
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    Oh, for God's sake :evil:
     
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    Thats quite surprising considering another player has made Fed his pigeon his entire career.

    Other greats weren't exposed by their main rivals to the extent Roger has been.

    Gretzky dominated his rivals, Jordan dominated his rivals.. Ali bested his rivals more times then not, Pele bested his rivals.. Fed? No..

    Atheltic wise?? Don't make me laugh.. Fed isn't even the most athletic ever in his own sport much less ALL SPORTS
     
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  14. smoledman

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    Exactly, Nadal is proof that Federer does not belong on that 1st tier.
     
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    What about the Wheelchair tennis chick?
     
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  16. NadalAgassi

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    The best in all sports is Michael Phelps by far. He is doing things things that wont be done in swimming or even the Olympics probably for another 1000 years. His dominance is far more whole and unprecedented than Federer's or anyone else I can think of.
     
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  17. peRFection

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    We all know that Roger is the greatest athlete on planet earthy. nothing new in this article.
     
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  18. pistolPete2012

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    Usain Bolt could have been brought into this topic a couple of years ago.
     
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    Phelps is up there, certainly. His old rival, Thorpe, had the same aura once.
     
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  20. NadalAgassi

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    Thorpe is great of course, but Thorpe never dominated across all different strokes like Phelps. Phelps was unbeatable in the IMs for many years at all distances, until Lochte's recent challenge. He has been unbeatable in the butterfly events at all distances for years. He was the dominant 200 freestyler for a good 4-6 years and has been top 3 for the last 9 years. He was the Worlds 2nd best 200 backstroker for awhile.

    Thorpe only ever won in freestyle and only at the 200 and 400 distances. He failed in his pursuit to ever win a major individual 100 metre freestyle title. He did win the non Olympic 800 freestyle one time at Worlds. As for conquering any other strokes he dabbled in the 100 back and 200 fly and quit both when he couldnt even win at the Commonwealth Games level in either, and won silver in the 200 IM at Worlds one year but still quit it too when he lost to Phelps by a whopping 3 seconds.

    If someone asked me to objectively rank Thorpe vs Federer I would go with Federer in a heartbeat. Phelps though the reverse would be true.
     
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    Hard to compare given the player pool is so much larger in tennis. Both were undoubtedly great though and Jansher ended up being particularly revolutionary.
     
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    True. That's include darts, bowling, billiards, archery, etc...
     
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    If you mean pure athletic ability then I'd have Nadal over Federer. Also Sampras and Becker.
     
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    Jahangir won over 500 matches in a row in the 80s...
     
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    Speaking of billiards, a player name Walter Lindrum so perfected the game that it declined in popularity. He was as close to unbeatable as it gets.
     
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    Never heard of him. But when I use to watch billliards, Efren Reyes was mentioned often as the greatest player.
     
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    What about Lionel Messi?
     
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    True but Heather Mackay was the greatest squash player of all time. She DID NOT LOSE A MATCH in more than 20 years. Won the British Open(the World Championship at the time), 16 years in a row. When there was finally a World Open title to win she won the first 2 of them then retired.
     
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    Messi is not even the best soccer player ever (Maradona, Pele or DiStefano would be that). Great article though. I would say its a 4 way tie, between Michael Jordan, Phelps, Ali and Federer
     
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    Golf has a two-year ranking system right, so it is that much easier to stay #1 if you are at the top. Tennis requires more constant pressure of having to defend all your points immediately. Plus it is more physically demanding and hard to sustain over a career. Fed and tigers dominance of the rankings is about equivalent id say when considering all things.
     
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    If you look closer you'll see that squash was not only really played to any competitive level by basically 5 countries in the 80s (England, Australia, New Zealand, Pakistan, Egypt) but the numbers of pro players in that period numbered only in the dozens.

    Comparing Khan's legend in squash as if it's anything like the achievement of tennis players a little spurious in terms of competitiveness of the field and globalness of the sport. Khan played as little as 3 matches to win many of his big tournaments - and most were over in less than an hour.

    You may as well say that guy who was 15 times world darts champ or whatever is the best sportsman.
     
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    this is obviously what happens when there seems to be no more room for the goat discussion withing a certain sport. as soon as pretty much anyone agrees on that one people need something new that is still worth arguing about. so they start to compare and rank players accross sports which makes even less sense to do (pretty much zero sense).

    federer is the greatest tennis player ever and through that he is obviously up there with the greatest athletes of all time (people like jordan, pele, etc)

    and thats as far as it goes
     
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    That #17 must have really burned you up on the inside. If there's a # 18 you might need some counseling! LOL.
     
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    # 17 burned many Nadal fans, they are out like cockroaches all over the boards. There is douchbag who calls himself a wolf and running in circles looking for attention and giving out stupid thesis about how Nadal is in "good position" to take out Federer. LOL, never saw so much activity in the bully crowd.
     
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    As great as Gretzky and Jordan were, please stop comparing team sports to individual sports. It's a bit silly.

    Woods does not rank higher than Federer. Plus, Nicklaus is the greatest golfer, not Woods.

    Phelps is up there but one problem with swimming is that there are very few international competitions. Olympics and Pan Pacific only every 4 years and Worlds every year. It's not like the Golden League in track and field where they actually have a "season".
     
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    I don't really like comparing tennis and golf directly. To win a major title in one, you beat seven people, while in the other you beat up to 155(?) among other things.
     
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    And how does Federer compare to Wilt Chamberlain and Magic Johnson ?:oops::oops:
     
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    True, but your direct competition is the course not the 140+ other players. Plus, you can be 30th after the 1st round and still win a major.
     
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    Messi still has many years to go and things to win to be up there. But it's obviously harder to really outshine other players in the biggest sport in the world and stand out so much as he does in a team sport. Some claim Messi still has to win the WC with Argentina but many greats like Cruijff never won a WC.

    You also have to be lucky with the country and with the talent of the generation you played in. Some players like George best were never allowed to shine for their national team coming from a small nation.
     
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    Honestly speaking,I don't know who they are.I need to google them...:neutral:
     
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    I think Messi is more marketable because he plays Football(world's most poplular sports),whereas Federer is pure raw talent,which cannot be matched..
     
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    Wilt Chamberlain had sex with more women for sure. Even Tiger Woods pales in comparison in that regard. :)
     
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    I absolutely don't think Messi has any less raw talent than Federer. He really has the ball glued to his feet and has amazing vision. His statistics are amazing. He's the top scorer year in year out of the CL and has the most assists of any player as well.

    Considering Messi is a very shy person and not as good looking as C Ronaldo or as good in front of a microphone as Federer it's amazing he is so popular.
     
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    But he did. Amazing that, with a name that may have us think that you've been watching tennis since the 90's at least, you still don't know how the sport works. :shock:
     
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    I didn't know that, pretty impressive. And yet women squash is not very competitive, even nowadays.
     
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    Squash has a smaller pool of players, true, but what you don't seem to realize is that squash is much more difficult physically than tennis (although less technical).
     
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    Jahangir Khan's 555 consecutive wins in squash from 1981 to 1986

    Esther Vergeer is on a 457-match winning streak in wheelchair tennis since January 30, 2003, which included a streak of 250 consecutive sets won.

    75 races — Emil Zatopek

    65 consecutive competitions - Carl Lewis

    And countless others all more dominant in their respective sports than any male tennis player could hope to be. It's the nature of the game and it's sensationalist journalism that's telling us otherwise, not common sense.

    I like Federer, he is very classy and certainly the greatest tennis player of all time. That's good enough for me. Why do we have to invent new categories for him to shine in? It's ridiculous.

    PS: I still think Osamu Watanabe's 187 consecutive wins in freestyle wrestling are the most impressive show of dominance in sports. The only modern Olympian to go unbeaten throughout his entire career.
     
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    Could growth hormones have something to do with his popularity?
     
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    " ...(Federer is) the most successful male athlete in any major individual pro sport"
     
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    How do we define successful then? Golf-style order of merit? Majors won? He'd be behind on all counts regardless. I read the title as 'Federer No. 1 — in all sports'. In my view he is not. He might be the most popular (certainly my favourite sportsman to follow after my football club of choice) but that doesn't make him the greatest.
     
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