Federer now declining. Not in his prime anymore

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  1. ibemadskillzz

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    He is old and declining rapidly losing. This is the downfall. soon djock and nadal and murrary will take over.
     
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  2. skip1969

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    nice try. i agree that he's playing like crap and he isn't wiping the floor with the tour like before, and maybe never will . . .

    but call me when his ranking dips . . . below NUMBER 1.
     
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  3. Tennis_Monk

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    Actually Federer said he will consider retirement. First he wanted to check and see if TW forum is going to help him. He wanted to know some tips on how to hit a FH/BH etc and some Mental strategies. He is going to post so many threads in the next few days.

    If that doesnt work,as TW members suggested, He will retire. After all what does he know about Tennis that TW forum members (especially some of the new ones) dont know about.
     
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  4. fastdunn

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    Probably not yet.

    But one thing is clear by now: it wasn't Canas or steroid. He is
    beatable by a non spanish player at non-slam tournaments.
     
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  5. hsua

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    I really doubt Federer is on a downfall, my guess is that he is just putting too thought into these clay court matches. I think Roger is starving for that French Open title he's just working TOO hard and thinking about it too much, but that's only my opinion....
     
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  6. Andrew

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    I don't think he's "declining" or "not in his prime anymore" (he did just win the Australian Open without losing a set a few months ago...) but he's definitely not at his best the past month or two.
     
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  7. oscar_2424

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    i wouldn't say that, he is just going trough a hard phase, he'll be back winning shortly, in the meantime, Nadal has to take advantage of this situation.
     
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  8. tricky

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    Federer's around the same age when Sampras stopping dominating. But, then again, he's also played less this year than in any other. Since AO, he's only had one tourney where he didn't get eliminated early.
     
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  9. Simon Cowell

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    I told you all about 6 months ago that Federer's career was in decline and everyone laughed. I'm right again, of course. He will NOT break Sampras's record.
     
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  10. Eric89

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    L.O.L that is funny
     
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    Well, 4 months ago, he was kicking butt. And he will go back to it, as soon as clay season is over. People said similar crap about Nadal just recently and he's back to his old form. Sampras' record is going down!
     
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    But that's the thing. He was also playing sloppy on HC surfaces too. His FH's just kinda gone back to its 2002 "is it going to work today?" reincarnation.
     
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  13. Heavy Metal Tennis Star

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    yes, federer lost, he may be declining, but he is still a world class player, if he is old, so what, if old george foreman can shock the world with one match, why cant fed.
     
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  14. Ripper

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    Fed will shut everyone up.
     
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    He is just not playing conservatively. His ego just won't let him do that. If he can play defensively he can atleast get back on track. BTW, it is not shocking anymore, I am starting to get used to his losses. After all Pete had so many bad runs and I never doubted him!
     
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  16. edmondsm

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    6 months ago he was schooling dudes left and right in the run up to his 10th slam. And then 6 months later you claim you were right?

    Never stop Simon, never. You are the funniest person I have ever met.
     
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  17. edmondsm

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    Even if his prime is over....it was a pretty good prime.
     
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  18. Heavy Metal Tennis Star

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    thats true ed, but prime or not, federer will still continue to win slams
     
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    People are so confident talking in retrospect.
     
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  20. Gilgamesh

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    You guys act like Sampras never struggled during his days as #1. You know during Sampras' third year as #1 he lost 16 times right?

    Federer's last several years have been such a complete dominance that I think we can't accept anything less from him. So now that he is not dominating the pessimists automatically we think his career is coming to a close :S.

    Federer did win the AO you know....
     
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    I think all is fine, as long as he wins a few slams a year. he cant expect to win every bad match he plays in. Im sure he probably won a load of matches in the last few years where he didnt play too great.
     
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    1 Sampras record he won't catch- 6 time year end #1.
     
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    The OP is the same guy who said we should respect the man responsible for the shootings at Virginia Tech. I can't believe he isn't banned.
     
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  24. gugarafa

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    fed aint going down,he just isnt getting better on clay and the only way to confirm his decline is if someone challenging his position(nadal) gets better or even defeats him on his most dominant surface(grass-wimby to be precise)
     
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    We are still laughing at you
     
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  26. roysid

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    Fed has lost 275 points in Rome. So on Monday his points will decline to 7015. Not much of a loss. He'll play Hamburg and gain the points.

    But so will be Nadal who will gain points from his current 4875.

    Fed has to do well in grass and hard court circuits.
     
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    I think Fed should change from the K90 to the Redondo and win again ...

    *oops! I'm running for cover now*
     
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  28. tennis_hand

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    I have the hope in him still. He just needs to find a way out of his slump. that's all.

    you Nadal fans were singing the same after last year's Wimbledon final until this year's Indian Wells. lol.
     
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    Roger Frederer is a loser. He has lost the Fred-factor. Fred is just no good anymore.
     
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  30. chrisdaniel

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    whos Frederer?
     
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  31. janipyt05

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    It's just a dip every player goes through it... why are you hitting the panic button, roddick did so, rafa did so it happens i'm more than sure that Fed will pick his game up. He is not a professional for nothing. Just because he has not won anything since Dubai doesn't mean that is the end the tennis year is still got plenty of life in it.
     
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  33. thetruthshallsetyoufree

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    it just stuns me that you guys could turn on roger so quickly. so he's lost a few matches. he's in a funk. so what. if he terrible the entire rest of the year, he would have still won the aussie open and he would more than likely still be #1. i'd say that is a good year.
     
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    Don't worry he still has a few fans left!
    A good year for Roger Federer is not the same as a good year for other players, even Nadal. If Fed finishes 2007 with just one slam title (unlikely), then he will consider it a bad year. If any other player on the tour finishes the year with a slam title, most would consider it the best year of their career.
     
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  35. CEvertFan

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    It's ridiculous to thnk that just because a player lost two or three matches in a row that they are all of a sudden declining and past their prime. I don't think some of you guys on here appreciate how difficult it is to dominate the men's tour like Federer has done the past couple of years. It is unheard of for one player to be that dominant on the men's side! This is not the women's tour where that is commonplace, this is where the 200th ranked man can beat a top 10 player any week of the year and for Fed to have so thoroughly dominated like he has is a testament to just how great he really is. Besides, he just won the Aussie Open without losing a set! :roll: :roll:

    EVERY player has a slump and this seems to be what is happening to Federer right now. If he is obsessing over the one Slam he hasn't won, well then he wouldn't be the first player to ever do that. He is only 26 and still in his prime, so just cut the guy a bit of slack and move on because I would bet on him winning his 5th Wimbledon title in a row this year and equaling Borg's record and I would also bet on him winning the US Open as well.
     
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  36. sureshs

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    He should use a bigger racquet.
     
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  37. sureshs

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    He also needs a full-time coach.
     
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  38. Baghdatis72

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    And maybe raise the tension of his strings to avoid so many unforced errors :lol:
     
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  39. latinking

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    Not his racket, it was how he was moving. All of his losses, expet to Rafa, his footwork was really off, at least for him. His game depends alot on footwork to pull off his usuall shots. Saying that all of us who play tennis should know that when your footwork is off 9 times of out 10 its your fitness.
     
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  40. OrangeOne

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    Thank you for reminding me of this KD, I had sorta forgotten. I wanted to make sure I never bothered with his postings in the future....
     
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  41. latinking

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    Whats funny is that he can have half as good years as he had the last couple and still smash Petes record. only needs 4 to tie and 5 to break. He can be off and still break it in a couple years. I think he will still take Wimbeldon and US open this year.
     
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  42. Taram_Nifas

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    Too soon to tell, but we could be seeing a slide with Federer where he is no longer winning 80+ or 90+ matches a year and losing only a handful. You can't really expect Tennis Players to keep up that kind of an insane pace.
     
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  43. Baghdatis72

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    It's reasonable for Federer to have some unexpected losses this year because he's not perfect and everyone declines at some point. His #1 reign is not over yet though and the beginning of the end will be when someone beats him at Wimbledon or at the US Open.
     
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  44. ibemadskillzz

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    is he plays like he did against volandri against nadal, he would get bageled every set.
     
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  45. Taram_Nifas

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    Hmm, that's interesting trivia. Was Fed ever bageled on the ATP tour?
     
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    I thought the interview he had after he was beaten by Volandri was unfair and over the top. The interviewer really put the pressure on as to why he lost - as Federer said he simply did not know. He has played some splendid tennis and needs a break from constantly being expected to win. In any other sport such as football the expectations of an individual player are not nearly as high.
     
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  47. Taram_Nifas

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    Insane pressure from his crazy fans who live vicariously through him. Just read Federer's Homepage and guestbook or the lost to Volandri. I don't speak French, Spanish or German but pathetique is pretty easy to translate...
     
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    Feddy aint at his best...but its way too soon to say he s definitly declining, 26 years old aint that old, just remember Agassi he was at his best in 1999 and he was 29-30 !
     
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    After his loss to Volandri Federer stated that a piece of the lead tape he applied presumedly around 12 o'clock on his racquet flew off during a frame-shot in one of the first games, and he wasn't able to find it anywhere on the court. The seriousness of the matter occured to him when he realized that his swingweight had dropped from around 370 to around 350. In the extraordinary second (because of the unexpected loss) press conference according to italian media he said:

    "It was the worst thing for me to happen that I lost some of the lead tape. The drop in approx. 20 points in swingweight brought me out of the max spin-zone on my Ncode...ehh ehem...I mean Kfactor and into an uncontrolable power zone. It was ridiculous, no matter what I did, the balls where flying everywhere. I need a serious talk with my racquet technician who applyed the new paint on my raquet. The texture of the paint doesn't allow the glue from the lead tape to grip in the right way, so that it could slip out from under the bumper guard...I am of course very dissapointed and will look for new ways of applying the lead tape. Probably, I will go back to my old way of applying weight which i to put it in a special shape under my overgrip around 8 1/2 inches from the butt. Or maybe I will have to get a new paint for my frame in 2008...by the way, I probably will anyway."

    After his statement Federer quickly left the building together with Mirka and Tony. According to 47 year old Italian eye witness Francesca Tagliatella he "seemed to be in pain and had tears in his eyes".
     
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  50. diegaa

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    mmmm. too soon to state that if u ask me. lets wait a bit.
     
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