Federer or Graf- which is the stronger GOAT candidate

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Stonger GOAT candidate- Federer for men or Graf for women

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  1. NadalAgassi

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    Which of these 2 players do you think has a stronger argument to be the GOAT of their respective genders.
     
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    Yeah yeah, you think they are the most farcical GOAT candidates ever to play the game. :lol:
     
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    LOL..Is this a trick question?

    Graf by a COUNTRY mile. It's not even close..
     
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    Graf, It's all in the head ... 2h;).
     
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    I guess by default I choose Graf. I dont think either is a worthy GOAT though. Atleast 3 others per gender superior to both IMHO.
     
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    This is beyond ridiculous, davey25. Steffi Graf, with 22 slams (7 Wimbledons and 6 FOs), The Golden Slam and numerous other records is the female GOAT. If not for injuries, she might have won even more. Only Navratilova and maybe Evert can arguably challenge her claim, but are by no means 'superior' (except Martina being the GOAT on grass). So it's outrageous to claim that at least 3 women are superior to Graf...

    As for Federer, it's a more difficult question. He's far from 'undisputed' GOATness, for reasons that have been discussed endlessly on this forum, but I can't think of any player that is clearly superior to him either. Rod Laver and some of the ancient greats like Gonzales might have a case as well though, just like Nadal maybe if he wins at least some more slams.
     
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    Haha! So much WIN!
    It's not fair :( :evil:
     
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    Graf by a huge margin :)

    Based on the poll results, we'll all know exactly who the forum *******s are ;)
     
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    Graf. Far and above all else, she won the Grand Slam, and managed to remain a powerful force in the game beyond that historic achievement.
     
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    Interestingly,we also get to know who the forum *******s are :)
     
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    This photo says it all: Federer clearly in awe of Kobe, who's ignoring him to shake hands with Sampras.

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    Without a doubt, Kobe would have ditched them both in a heartbeat just to shake hands with Steffi. ;)
     
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    Shame on you, gorecki, for posting pictures of ksbh from his facebook :D

    I notice his wrinkles have been photoshopped off.


    Graf or Nadal ???
     
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    Those are cherry-picked highlights.Essentially useless(highlights don't prove much anyway but still).But then,coming from you,that is rather predictable.
     
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    this thread is gud!!! so gud!!!
     
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    This is easy to decide, just have Fed and Graf play one another 10 times and let the H2H decide it :)
     
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    Beastly Nadal for the win!
     
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    Would the dudes who voted for Graf vote for her against Dull too ?
     
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    I know i Would... to me Graf is GOAT on the womens side, whereas neither Fed nor Rafa are on the mens side! and no... it's not about slam count!
     
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    If you mean "Dull" as in the pejorative nickname "******," then Nadal--like Federer loses as the stronger GOAT-level candidate to Graf's feat.
     
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    Well winning 16 majors by a man looks more difficult for me than the same number of majors won by a woman. Just look at this stat: tennis players (both men and women) who have won at least 10 majors since 1970:

    Men:
    1. Federer 16
    2. Sampras 14
    3. Borg 11
    4. Nadal 10

    Women:
    1. Graf 22
    2. Navratilova 18
    3. Evert 18
    4. Williams 13

    The competition in the men's circuit has always been winder than in the women's.

    Plus Federer didn't have the priviledge of Nadal being stabbed in the back once he started beating Federer more often in 2008 :D
     
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    I vote for Federer, not only the slam count, but other incredible records that he broke and now own.

    Graf and Martina is like 1 and 1a. While Graf holds for the most slam count, Martina's mind-boggling records cannot be ignore.
     
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    This.

    I'm not generally a fan of asterisks and hypotheticals, but Steffi (and Monica's) career resumes need them IMO.

    Steffi was a great, great player, no doubt. But for one of her fan base to physically attack (and mentally destroy) her main rival in that rival's prime just puts a cloud over everything achieved after that.

    It was for me the saddest incident and low point of this sport. It wasn't Steffi' s fault but it does affect her legacy.
     
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    1, 5 cm? two years?....
     
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    Here we go again, the Feddie fans obsession with GOAT! Some of them should be thrown at the receiving end of this device-



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    And those are? Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Serena, Serena and Serena? :lol:

    Thank for giving me a laugh at least! :lol:

    Now this is how you troll well, davey25. Better learn from him a bit! :lol:
     
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    Just to tell you, it was NadalAgassi who started this thread, therefore your conclusions are false!

    Sorry, I just couldn't resist it :lol:
     
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    ROFL, Lonux ... NadalAgassi should be thrown in there as well! :)

     
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    Mr Punjabi GOAT sees what he wants. he is entitled for that since he did all the media PR he had to back when he was raking slams...
     
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    Let's check the stats

    Majors
    Graf-22 majors in 56 attempts=39.3%
    Federer-16 majors in 48 attempts=33.3%

    Tournaments won
    Graf-107 tournaments out of 223 played=48.0%
    Federer-67 tournaments won out of 240 played=27.9%

    Lifetime winning percentage
    Graf-88.7%
    Federer-81.0%
     
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    My vote would be for Federer. He broke how many records and made how many achievements with Nadal there. Graf's main rival Seles on the other hand was not there for an extended period, and how many of the other women during that era could beat Graf on a regular basis? I think its more impressive to be a big fish in a pond with an equally big fish around (Federer/Nadal), than a big fish (Graf) in a pond with small fish around.
     
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    Nadal's the ugliest geek of all time? :confused:

    Now you're confusing me.
     
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    what about the h2h in slams vs the greatest rival

    Fred is 2-7(22%) how does that compare to Graf?
     
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    Its not like he said he WISHED, or HOPED that Nadal would be stabbed. Now, that would be low.
     
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    I'm not sure if it makes that much sense to compare men and women achievments. It's already problematic to compare players from different generations, but adding different genders simply makes it a whole different situation.

    edit: misunderstood the question.. still I think it's a somewhat weird question

    Most singles GS titles would be Court, not Graf
     
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    I wouldn't reply to me if I were you, you pretty much insult me whathever I say thus giving me a reason to report your naughty posts, you're gonna be banned sooner or later unless you learn how to behave, kiddo
     
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  39. Sharpshooter

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    No but he said it was a priveldge for Steffi when Monica got stabbed and implied that it would be a priviledge if Rafa got stabbed then threw a smilie in there because he thinks it funny. That is low.
     
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    Really? IIRC it was you who got banned last time pal. Report me as much as you want, I'm not the one acting like it would be funny to see another great player get stabbed you low life.
     
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    OP is clearly a Nadie fan :wink:
     
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    Well let's just say all the Federer and Nadal fanatics need to be in the line of that device! Just the fanatics, mind! :)

     
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    First of all I got banned for 1 day because of a stupid thread, not because I insult everyone around. Moreover, only a maniac would want someone to get stabbed in the back for whatever reason.
     
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  44. Sharpshooter

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    Why did you put a smilie on that post then? They are usually indicators of something you think is funny. Don't back pedal. If it happened to Nadal you'd love it. I don't like Fed but I would never want anyone to stab him. When I saw that guy run out in the 09 RG final I was worried he was a mad Rafa fan and was gonna attack Fed.
     
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    Obviously I'd like Federer to win more but not at the cost of someone's stabbing. Get a life already.

    I put a smiley because I think Graf was superlucky in her career to avoid Seles while the youngster was about to enter her best years 1993-1995. If it wasn't for the back stabbing nobody would talk about Graf being the women's GOAT as she was beaten repeatedly over and over again on every surface (with the exception of grass) by a teenager. That's why I never appreciate Graf's post-1993 achievements as they never should've happened. The fact that Graf is mentioned in the same boat as Federer is a joke. Not only for the stabbing and the fluke post-1993 wins but for many other reasons.
     
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    Were you the only one who got suspended for 1 day? Or was the other poster(s) that was involved with during that time you got suspended too?
     
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    Look, the stabbing shouldn't be talked about anymore. The fact that you're back pedalling shows that you understand what you said was wrong.

    I hope you learn from it.
     
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    But who is this "Kobe" guy?
    I don't think Steffi would know either.
     
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    Nope. I didn't get suspended because I retaliated the name calling after he started calling me names in the first place.
     
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    Wot? If there is a similar thread I'm going to post the same stuff if I feel like it. You thought that I'd have pleasure watching Nadal go down being stabbed my someone else and I disagreed.

    I don't have to LEARN that, I did my homework when I was 3 years old.
     
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