Federer paint job on his shoes

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  1. NScat23

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    As we know Fed has been using the air zoom vapor speeds last yr and the yr b4 even when the vapor 3s were out. Now hes wearing the vapor 4s but the outsoles are of the vapor speeds.

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  2. dannyjjang

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    i dont care
     
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  3. goblake14

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    Probably different shoe, same sole. Just my guess. The structure of the shoe proper appears different.
     
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  4. PBODY99

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    Nike makes custom shoes for all of their top players. When you have good footwork, does the "paint job" of the shoe matter ?
     
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    Hopefully this will be the last time I write this (probably not)....If you don't care about the subject (dannyjjang et al), then why do you even bother posting? It makes no sense to read the thread and waste everyone's time by writing "I don't care". Who are you people anyway, that you need to put in your two cents and add absolutely nothing to the conversation by saying, "I don't care". If you don't care, then don't post. See....that's what not posting means...that you don't care. We will infer from you NOT posting, that you have no interest in the subject matter. You certainly don't have to tell us that you don't care by posting. If you don't have anything constructive or pithy or interesting to say, keep it to yourself. JEEEEZ!
     
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  6. vkartikv

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    even his underwear is paintjobbed. Come on man, is what he wears so important? do we have to feed to sports brands advertising scams?
     
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    they are just custom made, adidas does that too. some have wide feet, some small, etc...
     
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  10. federer_nadal

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    The white bit where your ankle and side of your foot is is white leather with a darker white graffiti pattern on it, and there is a kangaroo and 2 stars stitched near the back of the shoe. 2 starts represent his 2 AO wins in the kangaroo/Australia. They were talking about it on the commentary.
     
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    So what you're saying is....he is using Vapor 4's with a Vapor 3 sole. I'm with Dannyjang :D
     
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  12. classic tennis

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    Most top brands make model shop shoes in house (Fila, Nike, Reebok & Adidas as well as Yonex), what you buy is not what the players use.
     
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  13. cghipp

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    That's interesting; I never thought about PJ shoes before. I'm sure even his shirt is a special fabric blend that no one else can get.
     
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    All of you obviously do care or you wouldn't bother reading and posting. The section of this forum is "pros rackets and gear" wouldn't this thread be absolutely that? Stop trying to make your post count high and if you truely don't care, don't even read the freakin thread. By the way does anybody know what racket Roger really uses? ha ha ha
     
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    Same goes with clothes I heard.
     
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    yep, on nike, they make the check logo bigger on the pro's clothes so people will see it better, why not just do that with the nike gear we buy? i dont know.
     
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  17. hyperwarrior

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    Well that's Pete Sampras paintjob into Federer!!
     
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    haha yeah, cept pete is better this time? lol, ehhh?
     
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  19. officerdibble

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    How strange. Surely this thread is empowering customers against advertising scams. I think it really matters. Nike want us to go out and buy some new, more expensive shoes because they are an implied advancement. If we find out that they aren't really being used we can be reassured that we can get great shoes for half the price!

    I like that quite a lot of players were evidently using the Adidas Barricade II shoe. When I saw that everyone hadn't switched over to the III I was reassured that I wasn't missing out by not spending an extra $30!

    Almost all purchase decisions are emotionally driven and post-rationalised. So I think it's good that there some anti-manipulation anger growing to off-set the industries highly immoral manipulation of this market.
     
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  20. AlpineCadet

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    That's probably not the intended case at all. Federer is using the vapor 4 with a custom made outsole, probably for better traction/speed in combination with the benefits of the original shoe. When you're the top ranked player, why not have the best of Nike shoes all molded into one? It's not a paintjob or a design to trick the public into buying something else.
     
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  21. BreakPoint

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    But who knows what's actually inside the shoe? What type of cushioning system? Support system? If the cushioning has been taken out (like some pros like)? It could basically be a totally custom made shoe that just has uppers that look like the latest model. Suffice to say that it's not an off-the-shelf shoe. So for people that buy the shoe because they want to wear the exact same shoe as Federer, they are out of luck, and are fooled into thinking that they are buying the exact same shoe that Federer wears. So, to me, it is a "paintjob". Just like paintjob racquets fool people into buying a racquet they think a pro uses, but it's actually not.
     
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  22. AlpineCadet

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    Roger Federer just has a CUSTOM MADE Vapor 4. Nike is not intentionally trying to "fool" people into buying their shoes.

    btw, whatever the case, it's not a "paintjob" lol.
     
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  23. BreakPoint

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    But then why not just sell the exact same shoe that they make for Federer to the public?

    Or come out publicly and tell everyone that "THIS IS NOT THE SAME SHOE AS WORN BY ROGER FEDERER"? They don't do that, do they? They could easily put a disclaimer in all of their marketing materials and advertising to make sure people understand that the retail Vapor 4 is not the exact shoe that Federer wears, right? The fact that they don't do that means they want the public to believe that the retail Vapor 4 is the exact same shoe that Federer wears as that's how they market it. Isn't that "fooling" the public into buying "Federer's shoe"?

    They could have also made Federer's custom shoe look totally different from the retail shoe but they made it "look" just like the retail shoe. Why? I think the answer is obvious.

    So, to me, this is no different than making a custom racquet for a pro and then painting it to look like a current retail racquet - a la paintjob.
     
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  24. Steve Huff

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    I'm sure it's a paintjob. He wears a size 9, and those are definitely a size 11.
     
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  25. AlpineCadet

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    LOL. Now that's exactly the answer to the puzzle. Did you hear that breakpoint? :p
     
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  26. AlpineCadet

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    They built upon the Vapor 4 shoe and gave him a custom outsole. You are too much with your crazy theories of collusion.
     
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  27. BreakPoint

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    What "collusion"? :confused: Nike makes a custom shoe for Federer and then markets a different shoe as the one that Federer is wearing. Simple as that. I would do the same if I were Nike.

    If they gave him a custom outsole, how do you know what else in the shoe is custom? A VERY reliable source told me that many pros have custom made shoes even if on the outside they look identical to the retail version of the shoe. The amount and type of cushioning and support inside the shoe could be very different than what's in the retail version. Can you tell from looking at that pic how much and what type of cushioning and support are inside his Vapor 4's? Or even what kind of technology is in there? Maybe it contains no "Air" at all? Now, if a shoe has different cushioning, support, technology, and outsole than the retail Vapor 4, then is it still a "Vapor 4"? I say no.
     
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  28. Steve Huff

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    I've had disagreements with Deuce before, but he's respectful of my views, and he backs his opinions intelligently. So when you say, "who cares what Deuce has to say?", well, I for one, respect his opinions and view them generally as knowledgable and well thoughout.
     
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  29. BreakPoint

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    Sorry, but Federer started wearing his custom made shoes that LOOK like the Vapor 4 BEFORE the Vapor 4 was released to the public. You can do a search if you don't believe me.

    Besides, he's ALWAYS worn custom made shoes. It didn't just start with the Vapor 4.
     
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  30. AlpineCadet

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    I really couldn't have said that better myself.


    BTW breakpoint, the Vapor 4 came out before the Australian Open picture of Federer's outsole. So where's your proof?
     
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  31. OrangeOne

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    Yup, when he was kicking around as a 17 yr old, Nike were making him custom shoes. In fact, when he was on his high school tennis team, again, he had those custom shoes on. And you should have seen the custom booties he had as a 2 year old!
     
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  32. BreakPoint

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    Do I have to do all your searching for you?

    Here he is at Kooyong before the AO playing in his Vapor 4 look-a-likes:

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    And why does it really matter WHEN it came out as far as if Federer is wearing a custom shoe or not anyway? When people see him wearing it on TV, people will flock to the stores or to TW and buy the shoes thinking that since Federer is the best mover and has the best footwork in tennis, that if they bought the same shoes that they could also move like Federer, or at the very least, improve their footwork. This may or may not be the case since the shoe they are buying is not the same shoe as the one Federer wears.
     
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  33. BreakPoint

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    Didn't you know Federer was born wearing custom tennis shoes? That's why he's such a natural mover on the tennis court. ;)

    Of course I mean when he became a top pro on the ATP Tour, which is not a recent phenomenon. You don't have to be #1 in the world to get custom made shoes. I'm sure Nike has been making custom shoes for Federer for a long, long time, and probably well before the original Vapor 1's. It's really not that hard to do. Nike just takes pieces from different shoes and puts them together and makes sure they fit his feet perfectly. Even recreational players get custom orthotics put into their shoes.
     
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  34. Deuce

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    So let me try to get this straight (as if that's ever possible with you)...
    You say that no-one is buying/using the K-90 tennis racquet because of Federer's influence, but people will be flocking to the stores to buy the shoes that Federer appears to be wearing.

    So people want to wear the 'same' shoes as Federer, but not play with the 'same' racquet as Federer. That is what you're saying.

    But, then again, you yourself did also say that what you write in one thread has nothing to do with what you write in another thread. And this fact is painfully (and humorously) obvious to a growing number of people here.
     
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  35. BreakPoint

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    Do people demo shoes? When was the last time you read a review of a shoe demo from a poster here?

    I said specifically "most of the people on this board are playing with the K90 because they liked it after they tried it and NOT just because Federer uses it.". If they didn't like it, they wouldn't be using it, regardless of what Federer is using. Did you not read most of the K90 reviews?

    With shoes, you have to buy it to try it. People will buy it because of Federer, but now you're stuck with the shoe if you don't like it. That's not the case with racquets. You can demo it first and then decide if it works for your game. If it does, you buy it because you like it and not because of Federer. If it doesn't, you don't buy it regardless of Federer. I don't know of too many people that bought the K90 because of Federer even though they absolutely HATED the racquet when they demoed it, do you?
     
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  36. OrangeOne

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    Well, it's good to know that by 'ALWAYS' (in capitals and all), you meant 'since he became a top pro on the ATP tour'. That's an interesting qualification on the word 'ALWAYS', don't you think?

    I've been wearing custom orthotics for 5 years now. But thanks for pointing it out ;)

    I know some kids who may walk into a shoe store and buy the shoes player-X wears, but very few others. Usually current shoe models are obscenely overpriced, and contain very few differences to the heavily discounted and still available shoes from 1 or 2 seasons ago...

    Most people I know rock on into a tennis (sports, shoe) store and try on a few different pairs within a certain price range. Sure, it's no measure at all of how they'll break in, or how they'll wear, or how they'll feel specifically on a court, but at least trying on a few pairs is better than "buying the Fed shoe".

    It's a start. Some people do as much as they can. I know I couldn't tell you the specific shoe that any pro wears, but I can tell you I was the 'crazy' guy doing 5-step-sprints while 'demoing' in the shoe store a few months ago when I bought my last pair of tennis shoes.
     
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  37. BreakPoint

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    I think that's a qualification that most knowledgeable and logical people would make rather than assuming that I meant he's been wearing custom made tennis shoes to play tennis in when he was 2-years old as you asserted. ;)
     
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    I sarcastically made that remark to prove a point, I didn't assert it. You know that, I know your English skills are more than capable of understanding that.

    And anyways....my test is complete. When you want to criticise others for poor usage or understanding, you go to town. When you (ab)use language poorly, you subsequently twist and turn your way out of it. You said one thing (ALWAYS), you meant a very different thing (top ATP Pro), and now you defend you previous exaggeration.

    The more interesting analysis would be why the exaggeration? Why did you feel the need to make such a large assertion in regards to Federer and shoes? If it's for other than to inflate your own ego / 'self-importance', well knock me down with a feather.

    Oh - thanks for skipping my whole point on why people buy shoes, that many most people buy shoes that they try on and like, as opposed to overpriced latest model shoes that Fed wears. I'll just assume you skipped the point because you realised it's validity and thus decided further discussion would be of nugatory benefit? Yes, I think I shall.
     
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    I am definetely sure that Federer's shoes are customised... apart from the out sole, there are also difference. If you have a look at his shoes in the pictures I attached, you can clearly see the 'silver part' of the shoes are different from the retail version. I have looked up some other player's shoes, such as James Blake, and I found out that its only Federer's shoes that are different, hence, I think that players wear the 'off the shelf' shoes apart from Federer(whose shoes are being customised) and Sharapova who is wearing the Vapor II.
    Thats what I think, and I hope you could understand what I am talking about.

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  40. Kid Carlos

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    Where did you score a pic of those, as well do you have a sole shot? Nice pic BTW.
     
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    @ BreakPoint

    I was beginning to wonder whether or not I was the only person who could see BreakPoint for who he is and what he was doing. Thankfully, I'm glad I am not the only person to have had these same exact problems in dealing with his odd sense of reality. In sharing opinions, he seems to think his are facts, and tries to shove them down your throat through exaggerations and manipulation. And if this thread wasn't proof enough, then I could simply do a quick search and find a dozen more like this one in all the other threads.

    I hope moderators are aware of his traits, because he can only cause more fighting and frustration among forum members who don't carry the same opinions he does.
     
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  42. BreakPoint

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    Thanks for the pics. This supports what I said above that Federer is wearing a totally custom made shoe so it's not just a different outsole. However, Nike still tells the public that Federer wears the Vapor 4 when in fact he's not wearing a Vapor 4 at all.
     
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    Anyone know where these pics came from? I would consider bidding if up for auction somewhere.
     
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    umm those last few pics i do not recall federer weaing those at the australian open. those designs on the inner shoe were not there...they kinda look like jordans dubs
     
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    Those are absolutely the shoes he wore at Ausi. You couldn't see the inner design because it is in light grey and they never zoomed in on the inside. Thses do look like they were extras and he did not actually wear these because I see no wear markings. Would be sweet to own that is for sure.

    Also that same design or something very similar was on the gold wimby vapors only instead of printed it was in a white raised design, also very hard to see. Who knows what that design is. Looks like a map or something.
     
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    it looks like a map of the tennis center in australia(you cna clearly see tennis courts) or it could be part of a map of melbourne, a trend done on b-ball shoes. Kobe had a Map of LA "lasered" on his shoes and other stars had it as well. In this getty pic it seems there are slight differences between this signed model and the ones he wore [​IMG]
     
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  48. AlpineCadet

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    BTW, did anyone ever win Federer's Wimbledon shoes from TW? You know, the "paintjob" of the gold Vapor 4's? :)
     
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    it IS a paintjob. they holes for the laces are even drilled differently. BELIEVE
     
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    This is the same thing that happens in every sport not just tennis.... if you are in Nike's Elite Circle you will have custom shoes. There is no way that Nike will expect you (or allow you) to play in some off the shelf shoe that is made in a generic fashion to fit any average joe off the street. They do this for Rafael Nadal, Lebron James, Derek Jeter, Maria Sharapova, and others. As well as this is what they have done for Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi, Michael Jordan, Deion Sanders, and many, many others. If someone has a signature shoe out there by Nike odds are that the shoe they have on their foot is not the one that you and I can buy from the store, it's just not how it works. Why would you take an endorsement deal for millions and wear a run of the mill shoe coming out of the sweat shops???

    As far as this whole "collusion" and "scandal" everyone is making out of this, I disagree with this logic. Nike makes a retail "version" of the shoe Roger wears, and they market it as such (just like Lebron James or any other) and it is indeed different than the one their player is wearing. This is not a "scam" it is a general version to fit and be the best shoe for millions of people, not just the star athlete like the version they make tailored to the athlete's exact specifications. I think this is fair, the retail version is very "close" to the version worn by Roger (and Lebron) just not exact, so it's not misleading because they are more similar than not. But Nike should be allowed to spruce up the version they have the player wear because that is just good business for them, they are taking care of their asset. You don't want Roger getting blisters from a shoe that Nike made to fit everyone not just him do you?

    On the other hand I do get upset when they make "player exclusives" that are just awesome and we the public who they are target market can't even buy the ones they are wearing which is ridiculous and makes no sense. I don't care if Roger's shoes are different in fit but cosmetically his and the general release should look the same, don't make his awesome (like wimbledon) and make the general release boring and not even close. It's a double edged sword for sure..... I am just glad I got the black US Open vapors or I really would've been pissed.

    But I am almost positive that the Vapor's he's been wearing since the Aussie Open have been with Vapor 4 bottoms not the 3's.
     
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