Federer pulls out of Paris, Novak 2012 No1

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  1. Achilles82

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    Djokovic would have taken it anyway and he totally deserves it. Thank you Fed for bowing down. The best player of the year in slams always deserves the #1 in my opinion. 2012 may not have been as good as 2011 for Novak (how could it have been?) but still a great year with a slam and 3 master titles + great consistency throughout, well done!
     
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  3. Carsomyr

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    Good decision not to overplay. Congrats to Djokovic. Well earned with his good run at the end of the year.
     
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  4. Achilles82

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    You know what's weird. If Novak wins Paris and WTF (it's possible...), he will have more points, and more prize money then in 2011. So technically, this could be Novaks best year ever :)
     
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    Expected. It was almost set in stone after Shanghai.
     
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  6. Carsomyr

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    So Agassi was actually the #1 player of 2001. I'll send him a postcard informing him!
     
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  7. veroniquem

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    Well, prize money is not what determines best season. There is nothing that he could do this year at this point that would beat 3 slams and 5 masters. Still, it's nice that he was able to confirm that 2011 was not a "fluke" season.
     
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  8. Clarky21

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    Why do you always show up after a Fed loss? Serious question.
     
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  9. veroniquem

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    I wish! I was a huge Agassi fan. In my heart, he was always #1.
     
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  10. ALL IN

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    Why do you post 10 times a day(on average) and never offer anything relevant? Serious question.
     
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    Federer can't take it any more
     
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    Must be because of the stringent drug-testing at Paris this year.
     
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    Anyone know if fed can move back to no.1 with any results at wtf?
     
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    Don't think so as Fed is defending champion at the WTF so he can't actually gain any points there.
     
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    It's even simpler than that. Roger is currently around 2000 points behind Noel in the race - but the only remaining event (for Roger) has 1500 points on offer - so even if Nole doesn't win another match this year, he'll finish YE number 1. Many congrats to him.
     
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  16. Povl Carstensen

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    Yes, he is 64-9 for the year (the best in 5 years), nr 1. in the world and just lost in a final, he is gone.
     
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    Sad but not surprising. It would have taken a Herculean effort from Federer and he would still have been depending on Djokovic to turn in some third rate work. It's a fair end to the year and in a way it's good - it allows Fed to relax and focus solely on the WTF. It should be a cracker of a competition. The de facto fifth slam. The list of names of past winners is a roll of tennis royalty. If he can win it one more time it will blow the socks off his knockers surely.
     
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    I think it was over back at the US Open when Roger lost in the QF... sadly.
    I hope he'll get away with the WTF though.
    And that he'll still put up a fight for #1 next year.
     
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    Wow, that's strange :-?.
     
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    Djokovic's form in 2011 was brilliant up to winning the US Open. After that, the rest of 2011 was poor, getting a 6-4 win-loss record for the rest of the year, while Federer won many titles in that period. Djokovic's 2011 win-loss record after winning the US Open was 64-2, but by the end of the year, it was 70-6.
     
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  21. Gonzo_style

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    Possible but 3>1, btw if Novak wins Paris and WTFs, no way he would lose #1 untill USO 2013!
     
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  22. Hood_Man

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    Oh well, it's not like Federer really did anything wrong, he actually had an amazing year.

    It's only by the standard Djokovic raised in January-September last year that this season could be seen as a disappointment for the guy, he's been so incredibly consistent. Well done Novak :)
     
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    Records for prize money are a bit pointless if inflation isn't taken into account, and there's really no way to accurately compare prize money between now and the past.
     
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    Federer's record this year is pretty impressive, but I have to hand it to Djoker! He definitely deserves it
     
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  25. roundiesee

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    Yes, agree with all the posters here; Congrats to Nole, and also to Juan Martin who played a superb match yesterday! Tough luck for Roger, but he will always have that great Wimbledon moment this year! Can't win 'em all! :)
     
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    Yeah, but even if you take into account the bad ending of 2011, it still seems very weird to me that he could win more points this year than in 2011 when he won 3 grand slams in 2011 and only one this year. Did he win that many smaller tournaments this year? Because it's not like he only won GSs in 2011, he had that crazy winning streak where he took all of the indian wells-miami-MC-Rome masters. Those are a lot of points that he didn't take this year.
     
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    He really won 3 slams and 5 masters last year? I watched all those finals last year and even attended one, but it's still hard to believe somehow..lol
     
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    TT will make another thread called "Race to Shanghai" but dedicated to Djokovic instead of Federer..
     
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    Good move by Federer. The guy never wants to play for something that is not on his racket. Djokovic can actually drop his intensity at the WTF since his #1 spot is secured, which can help Federer achieve the unachievable - SEVEN ATP final titles (second only to his seven Wimbledons).

    I wonder if we are about to witness Federer's last ever week at #1 - the very end of a humongous, record-breaking 300+something run that nobody will ever see again.
     
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  30. Mustard

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    Here's a list of Djokovic results in 2011 and 2012:

    2011
    Won the Australian Open
    Won Dubai
    Won Indian Wells
    Won Miami
    Won Belgrade
    Won Madrid
    Won Rome

    SF at the French Open
    Won Wimbledon
    Won Montreal

    RU in Cincinnati
    Won the US Open
    SF in Basel
    QF in Paris Indoor
    RR exit at the World Tour Finals (won 1, lost 2)

    2012
    Won the Australian Open
    SF in Dubai
    SF in Indian Wells
    Won Miami
    RU in Monte Carlo
    QF in Madrid
    RU in Rome
    RU at the French Open
    SF at Wimbledon
    SF at the London Olympics (lost third place play off)
    Won Toronto
    RU in Cincinnati
    RU at the US Open
    Won in Beijing
    Won in Shanghai
     
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    That's pretty damn consistent. Novak's earliest loss so far this year was a QF lost in Madrid. Pretty good year.
     
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  32. RF20Lennon

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    Nole has to make it to the Paris final in order to get the #1 ranking
     
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  33. Tony48

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    That IS very impressive. Has anyone else ever finished the year without losing before the QF in a tournament?

    I was checking out Fed's 2005 and he made at least the QFs in every event played (although he skipped 4 Masters: Rome, Canada, Madrid & Paris).

    If Novak makes the semis at Paris (and technically the WTF, even though there is no QF round), he will have done the same. But Djokovic will have played 17 tournaments while Fed only played 15.
     
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  34. Gonzo_style

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    No, Djokovic will be #1 on 5th november even if he lose in R2 Paris.
     
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  35. Gonzo_style

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    No, Fed lost to Gasquet in Rome and i think that was before QF...
     
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    That was 2005 Monte Carlo, in the quarter finals. Federer got revenge on Gasquet in the 2005 Hamburg final.
     
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  37. Nostradamus

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    Novak can't be #1. He won the least prestigious aussie open. and he got lucky too. Wimbledon and US open the most important ones were won by someone else.
     
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  38. Gonzo_style

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    Right, I just checked, my mistake...
     
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  39. Gonzo_style

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    AO-2000 ATP points
    W- 2000 ATP points
    USO-2000 ATP points

    And Djokovic have a best results this year in GS and Masters tournaments...
     
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    The other day I was pondering about who each of the top four lost to this year.

    I believe the lowest ranked player each player loss to this year were:

    Federer loss to Andy Roddick
    Djokovic loss to John Isner
    Nadal loss to Rosol
    Murray loss to Garcia-Lopez, Mahut, and Chardy. Not sure which one was ranked lower when Andy loss to them.

    To me I think Roger, Nole, and Rafa all loss those matches cause their opponents were playing out of their mind (well not sure about Isner but Andy and Rosol definitely were).
     
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    Great year from both Djokovic and Federer. I think it is right it will end like this
     
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    Novak was more consistent than Federer this year in the grand scheme of things. Novak reached three out of the four grand slam finals and he won the Australian Open and reached the semifinals of Wimbledon.

    Federer is a great champion but it is great that a YOUNGER MAN is number one.

    Also, I love Novak's personality he's a great spoken person for the game he's friendly, intelligent, cute, and has an outgoing sunny disposition.

    Federer comes across as arrogant, aloof, and also too media trained.
     
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    Right, so unprestigious that both Murray and Fed cried on stage when they lost it.:)
     
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    Nice one :)

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  45. oy vey

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    Does Novak get any money for this achievement?
     
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    Except this year he's gotta fight off Murray.
     
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    Djokovic deserves no 1 anyway. Though if Federer were to win the WTF then I might switch and say Federer deserved no 1 in the end. However, I think that is unlikely.

    Federer did the right thing. He needs to focus on extending his playing career by carefully planning his schedule. Whilst his fans should be happy to see him continue.
     
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  48. jhhachamp

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    He did have a pretty awful draw in Paris and just came off a tough loss to Del Potro, so I don't blame him. He has to pick and choose his battles at this point.
     
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    Rafa almost did it in 2010. If it hadn't been for a R16 upset to Melzer, he would have.
    Doha - F
    AO - Q
    IW - S
    Miami - S
    Monte Carlo - W
    Rome - W
    Madrid - W
    FO - W
    Queens - Q
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  50. not_federer

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    Federer, 2005. 4 losses - sf AO, sf FO, final wtf, and qf monte Carlo (gasquet)
     
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