Federer the only one with the 90 sq in head size?

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  1. RalphNYC

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    I know people have discussed this topic a lot, but I never got why Fed uses the smaller head size and no one else seems to? What, in simple language, is the benefit of using a smaller head size, and why does no one else see the benefit?
     
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  2. BreakPoint

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    The benefit?

    16 Grand Slam titles is the benefit.

    No one else has 16 Grand Slams because no one else uses a 90. :shock: :)
     
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    More control. More shanking at times to LOL
     
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  4. RalphNYC

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    But if there's a benefit of more control, why don't any other pros take advantage of that. It appears that not a single pro at any ranking level anywhere in the entire world, within singles or doubles, uses that head size. Is everyone missing something? I just don't get it.
     
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  5. acintya

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    what about del potro? :) but he uses 95..... but anyways its really close :)
     
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    He is too old to change now, in the twilight of his career. But looking at it another way, now is the time for him to experiment and keep himself at the top for some more time. When he goes down, he goes down really bad - not a good sign.
     
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  7. RalphNYC

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    My question is simply this: Why does no one else use it?
     
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  8. vandre

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    what about hewitt?
     
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  9. forzamilan90

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    you know...for a second there i thought this was about federer's actual head size, not the racket
     
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  10. sureshs

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    1. Some sponsoring manufacturers do not make a 90
    2. Younger players are not comfortable with 90s from their junior days
    3. 2 handed BH players are not comfortable with 90s
    4. Players want to get themselves more margin for error and more power
    5. Players don't play like Federer style-wise
    6. They see Fed shanking and his H2H against Nadal, and wise up
     
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  11. jigar

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    ^^ Agree with above post
     
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    Well.. in fact, safin played the prestige classic which was around 89...
     
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    Before switching to his new BLX racquet, Del Potro did use the K 6.1 tour. Pros use 93 sq inch rackets, 95 sq inch rackets. These are all similar.

    Besides, don't be fooled by what people tell you pros use; pros use whatever they want to use and just give it the same paint job as your racket. They have them customized to their favor. Agassi's head didn't even have close to the same specs as what they made it out to be.

    Also, yes, people are growing up to use larger heads and lighter rackets because they're told its good for them, that is just another trend. Keep in mind, that while smaller heads are good for more control, professionals string their rackets with EXTREMELY low tension more often than not. European pros are averaging in the upper 30s and low 40s right now. The head size isn't all that important when you're being that drastic with tension and string type.
     
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  14. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Rajeev Ram uses the same 90 sq. in. Wilson as Federer.
     
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    Good one :)
     
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  16. volleynets

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    Delpo NEVER used the K6.1 tour. His frame was a 95.
     
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    ^^Spot on, Delpo uses the HPS Pro Staff 95; only the paint has changed.
     
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  18. volleynets

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    Hewitt used the 90 with Yonex but then switched to a 95 in 2007 I believe.
     
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  19. [d]ragon

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    Doesn't Ouanna also use the 90? As well as Dmitrov I think
     
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    And Rajeev Ram
     
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    ...........................
     
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  22. vsbabolat

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    Players that use a 90 off the top of my head
    Ram
    Ouanna
    Safin (on ATP and now on seniors)
    Schuettler
    Enqvist (on ATP and now on Seniors)
    Calleri
    Koellerer
    Borg (on Seniors Tour)
    Dimitrov
    Haase
    Sloane Stevenson
    Alexandra Stevenson

    I am sure there are a lot more of the thousands that are playing professional tennis.
     
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  23. Nanshiki

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    Hewitt used a 90 for years, almost certainly still does.
     
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    One reason is that Fed is part of the older generation of players currently on tour. The younger players have grown up using slightly larger racquets than Fed did. Back when Sampras was on tour, I'd guess the average was 85-90 and now its more like 95.

    With the older guys who have switched to larger racquets, its probably because they weren't successful and wanted something a little more forgiving. Since Fed was successful, there was no real incentive for him to switch. It was a risk that wasn't worth taking. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
     
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  25. vsbabolat

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    That is not true. In 1989 the only 85 in Wilson's lin-up was the Original Pro Staff Midsize. The Wilson Ultra line had moved to 95 and 110. The average head size of 95 i'd say has been around now for about 20 years now.
     
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  26. BreakPoint

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    Also Joachim Johansson.

    And Sampras (most say that the KPS88 is really a 90).
     
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  27. BreakPoint

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    However, back in 1989, a lot of people were still using smaller racquets like the Dunlop Max 200G (82 sq. in.), myself included.
     
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    Somebody hasn't been following the "Sampras to Babolat" thread. :)
     
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    :shock:OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD??!!

    Wow. I'm impressed.

    Anyway, all things being equal, smaller head size should have some small benefits in ease of generating high racquet head speed.
     
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  30. vsbabolat

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    Back in 1989 Dunlop only had Max200G and the Max Impact Mid as the only racquets in-line that were under 95. The rest which were the majority available were 95 and 110. I am talking what the companies were selling. And what they were selling for over 20 years has been mostly 95. In the Yamaha Secret line in 1989 not one midsize racquet. All midplus.
     
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  31. 1hbhBUX

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    Anyone using a prestige mid - really a 90.
     
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  32. vsbabolat

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    Yes.
    Rainer Schuettler
    Sloane Stevenson
    Daniel Koellerer
    Agustin Calleri
    Marat Safin
    Thomas Enqvist
    Robin Haase
     
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    HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!...lol
     
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    The k90 and the prestige molds have pretty much the same width as the Max200g. Just the length is of the 2 is longer than the Max200g.
     
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  35. volleynets

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    LOL a day ago I thought forzamilan's post was saying that he thought it was about Federer's racket head size not his racket brand.

    But now I realize that you mean't Federer's head lol.
     
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  36. dsa202

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    James Blake uses one now.
     
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  37. RalphNYC

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    Very cool, thanks.

     
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    Modern playing style requires more extreme grips as we see the racket path going across the ball than through the ball when compared to someone using PS85 hence the need for a larger head size .
     
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  39. NLBwell

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    Was that when he was wearing hair extensions?
     
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  40. namui

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    Stefan Edberg is using k90 now.
     
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    that was when he used the rqis 1 tour. when he changed sticks (kinda before they expected he would i think) he went back to the yonex rds001 pj sticks, which if you follow the chat here and there it's widely believed that these are 90s. now i guess the question is "what headsize is hewitt using under the rdis 100 pj?"
     
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  42. marosmith

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    All the players who use the PT57a, Rad MP mold, Prestige MP mold are using a racket that is about 94.35 sq " and that is the most used mold on tour and is almost a mid.
     
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    OK, back to the original question. All other things being equal, a smaller head size will give more control and less power. Having played with loads of rackets, I don't think the trade-off is equal. I think the added power of a larger head is significantly more beneficial than the added control in the smaller head. So, to me, the answer to your second question is that most pros feel their games benefit more from added power than added control. This is especially true with the 95-100 inch head size most pros use since going down to 90 inches won't give much of a bump in control but will really hurt in the most important aspect of today's game - power. Once you get above 115 inches or so, the added power is harder to use effectively because of the loss of control and, in my opinion, the equation changes. But almost no pros use a 115 inch or larger racket.
     
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  44. RalphNYC

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    Thanks that's very helpful. It's interesting to see so many pro men and women now using the "Nadal" racquet (i realize that the specs will vary from player to player). It seems like no one suffers from control issues at all with that thing.

     
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  45. martini1

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    I have the APDC, K90, and the K88. Seriously if the K90/K88 is leaded up and strung with lower tension there is tons of power. You'll just have to swing a little faster.

    The OS sub 10oz rackets are meant to be hit with a slow and short swing. At the end there is a limit on the pace unlike a heavy racket with a smaller head.
     
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    I once hit with a racket made by a company called Weed. 135 inches and about 9 ounces. I swear I could rip shots with Rafa-like velocity and spin. I only wish I could get more than 1 out of 50 in the court!
     
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  47. Ross K

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    Are the PT57a, Rad, Prestige MP mold really just 94.35?
     
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  48. marosmith

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    It's in the 94-95 range dependent on how it's measured compared to how other manufacturers measure sq in.
     
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  49. TheNatural

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    For tall guys, 95" would feel roughly equivalent to how the 90" feels for Federer.
     
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    Care to explain, i don't see how height and headsize are related?
     
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