Federer to receive Davis Cup commitment award

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  1. falstaff78

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    "This Award is being presented by the ITF to players who have shown long-standing dedication to representing their country in this prestigious competition. Each Award recipient has competed in a minimum of 20 home or away ties or 50 ties at any level of the competition (including Zone Group Events) over their career."

    http://www.daviscup.com/en/history/commitment-award.aspx

    Only posting this because I see repeated references to Federer being a Davis Cup sell out.
     
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    OK, before the fair minded fans of two other specific players barge into this thread spewing nonsense, here are some facts:

    Fed's DC record : 43-15

    Nadal's DC record : 22-5

    Sampras' DC record : 19-9

    Carry on.
     
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  3. 6-1 6-3 6-0

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    Another mickey-mouse award for federer. :mad: And out of Rafael Nadal, roger federer and Pete Sampras, only two of those players have carried their team to the title. federer just isn't a team player. :p
     
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    Fed's DC record>>>> Nadal's and Pete's DC records.

    BTW. Having a better team doesn't make you a better team player, it just means you have more luck.
     
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    It also means that your team sucks if you have such a great record yet your team loses in R1 almost every time.

    Heck, if not for the Almagro choke, Spain would be the current DC holders. And Nadal didn't play a single DC match this year haha.
     
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    Lleyton's DC record: 50 / 16
     
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    hewitt's dc record is much more impressive in my mind
     
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    Yes, and that is why Hewitt has already won the award.
     
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  9. djokovic2008

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    WHAT is this some sick twisted JOKE this selfish SOB has shown time and time again he cares for only himself.
     
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    This needs to be repeated for the fair-minded!!
     
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    and could you please enlighten us - what is your hero's DC record?
     
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    Nadal's looks better to me, much higher winning %.
     
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    It's not a joke. Click on the link and read up on the award and the criteria for winning that award. Federer has fulfilled all necessary criteria to win this award. They won't deny Federer the award because people on talk tennis forums condemn his decision to skip DC ties over the past few years
     
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    Then if they don't deny him the award on the basis on many occasion he has said STUFF YOU DAVIS CUP then the award is worthless.
     
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  15. dr325i

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    The guy cares less about the DC Swiss team or his own town for that matter. All he cares about is more $$$ and his own fame...

    Nadal has given his heart for the Spanish team and he was not really needed all the time. Djokovic has played for his team very injured (remember Delpo match, Davidenko match...)

    Fed awards should focus on his game and that contribution to overall tennis, NOT on his "human" side...
     
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    You do realize how the Almagro choke you mention completely contradicts your assertion that Davis cup team success has any bearing on individual Davis Cup success?

    I love it when irrational posters disprove their own assertions in their own posts.
     
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  17. mariecon

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    the award is for participation, not win record.
     
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  18. vive le beau jeu !

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    Marcos' DC record: 60-13
    (42-3 in singles)

    ... with a current streak of 31 consecutive single wins (i think he's second behind borg's 33).
    of course he doesn't play in the world group but it's still a nice record to have ! :)

    did marcos get such an award ?...
     
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  19. mariecon

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    yeah like Nadal or Djoker have never skipped a DC tie?
     
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    Nalbandian is getting this award too. Finally he and Federer are in the same league!
     
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  21. mariecon

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    Narrow-minded people like you need to be reminded that Davis Cup is a team event and when your team only consists of 2 top 100 players it's kinda difficult to win. But Federer shows up more often than not and pretty much carries the team. And I'm pretty sure Nadal has sat back and let his teammates do all the work and then showed up just for the final. But one player cannot win the Davis Cup. Do you understand now?
     
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    Wawrinka dislikes this.
     
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  23. mariecon

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    you think Stan should get this award before Federer? :shock:
     
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    No you missed my point entirely. Wawrinka has slammed Federer for not competing enough in DC (which is in fact a crock of BS). Hence why I made a joke (or maybe not so much of one) that he would dislike this. Like a YouTube video.
     
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  25. 6-1 6-3 6-0

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    How? Nadal has won Davis Cup with his team multiple times, and has a higher winning percentage (Nadal has fewer wins, but he is younger, so that is expected). federer :mad: on the other hand, has a worse winning percentage AND has never won Davis Cup with his team after choking in the semi-final in 2003. Seems like Almagro is the new federer of Davis Cup. :p
     
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  26. mariecon

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    Oh I see. :oops:
     
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    Must admit this is one of the funnier things I've read in a while.

    I do see he's one of 299 players to get it - is that right? The DC website keeps crashing for me.

    Just hope the Swiss press doesn't get a hold of this while the tie in Geneva is going on without him . . .
     
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    Okay, I'm a Fed fan and I laughed at this. I'm sure Roger has wanted the DC for his country at one point (no matter how much the haters deny it) but I'm also sure he knows it probably won't happen and accordingly reduced his investment. There was never unconditional, unrealistic devotion on his part which was right because doing that would also mean messing up his singles career and that would be a far bigger blow to him and the Swiss considering he's the only great male tennis player ever produced by the country.

    I'd say, for pure DC commitment, he's not my pick (and I'd rather it remained that way for a while :) selfish though it might sound or rather it is. No apologies of course :) )
     
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  29. kalyan4fedever

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    Shut up ur not djokovic
     
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    DC FYI: McEnroe 59-10 overall, 41-8 singles, 18-2 in doubles. Jimmy Connors would usually skip Davis Cup for $$-exos and why he and Arthur Ashe (long-time DC supporter as both player and captain) had a chilly relationship.
     
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  31. mariecon

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    Here is the info from the Davis Cup website...

    Commitment Award
    This Award is being presented by the ITF to players who have shown long-standing dedication to representing their country in this prestigious competition. Each Award recipient has competed in a minimum of 20 home or away ties or 50 ties at any level of the competition (including Zone Group Events) over their career.

    The Award was conceived as part of the ITF’s 2013 Centenary celebrations and will be launched at the 100th Davis Cup Final in 2012. Initially 299 players met the criteria with awards presented throughout 2013. All recipients are recognised on an honours board at the ITF headquarters and in a dedicated section on the official Davis Cup website. The record holder for the most ties played in all levels of the competition is Domenico Vicini from San Marino, who played a total of 87 ties. With 66 ties played, Italy’s Nicola Pietrangeli heads the elite list of players who have competed in 20 home or away ties for their country.



    Now, I fail to see why Federer wouldn't be deserving out of 299 players. My guess is they picked a minimum of 1 player from each participating country. Please tell me which player from Switzerland you haters would pick over Federer and give me a valid argument to support that choice. The OP should have mentioned the other 298 winners of this "award" in their original post.:shock:

    http://www.daviscup.com/en/history/commitment-award.aspx
     
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  32. heninfan99

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    Maybe Stan Wawrinka should get one too. Hopefully, he has one already.
     
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    Agassi, McEnroe, Roddick, Stan Smith and the Bryan brothers are also receiving the award.
     
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    No he isn't on the list. But Stan (37 rubbers) has a better participation record than Nada (27 rubbers) and Djokovic (30 rubbers).

    If you look at # of ties played:

    Federer: 22
    Wawrinka: 17
    Djokovic: 17
    Nadal: 14
     
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  35. TheNatural

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    This is an encouragement award for Fed to motivate him to continue trying to win that Elusive Davis Cup!
     
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  36. djokovic2008

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    Huh? Explain yourself *******!
     
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  37. World Beater

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    LOL.

    dJOKE doesnt even live in serbia. He lives in $$$Monte Carlo$$$.

    Talk about chasing the cash.

    Does dJOKE even pay taxes???

    LOL.
     
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    Good for them, they deserve it -esp. Smith.

    Stan Smith led the US to a very controversial (and very deserved) Davis Cup victory in 1972.

    For starters, the US (as defending cup champion) placated a whinning Romanian Davis Cup team led by Ion Tiriac and willingly gave up its rightful home court venue and allowed for the tie to be played in Bucharest, Romania instead ("blacked out with no viewing media coverage" behind the Iron Curtain).

    This 1972 Davis Cup final involved quite possibly the most blatant attempt at cheating in the history of the Davis Cup.

    Tom Gorman (bad back) lost his two singles rubbers. Smith won his and then won the piviotal middle doubles rubber with Eric Van Dillon as his partner. At 2-2 it came down to the deciding 5th rubber vs. Tiriac.

    Long story short: besides the black out, tennis officials testified years later about the various methods of cheating (e.g. line calls, etc.) by the home team's Davis Cup officials that were to be employed against the US. The intimidation of the chair umpire and linespersons got so rediculous to the point of Tiriac during the later stages of his deciding match vs. Smith actually having linespersons--LINESPERSONS!--massaging his leg cramps-LMAO! The deciding rubber between Smith and Tiriac went 5 sets:

    the winner: Stan Smith, 6-LOVE.

    on-topic: Federers played over 50 DC matches? Give him the award already. Besides, who here really cares about some 'trinket' award "who's who" list?
     
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    Interesting story. Never knew this.
     
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    After yet another outstanding grand slam win guess where he will be next at an indoor clay court representing his country while fed is having a nap, yes you should feel embarrassed.
     
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    All I know after this year djoker better be getting the same award never has there been such a warrior for his country. Fed keeps proving he had a silver spoon stuck up you know where in his nice country club all his life.
     
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    58 DC matches? I did not realise he had played so many.
     
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    LOL what? LOL at your misinformation and understanding...
    Do you know where those Serbian taxes go??? At least:
    1) Fed Swiss taxes are in % MUCH lower than what Novak would pay in Serbia
    2) Fed payment to the Swiss government goes where it should go in a normal country...

    And yes, he does pay (LOW) percentage to wherever he resides...
     
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    as I said, Djoker has retired 3 times in DC ties since 2007. Only played 1/2 a rubber each time. what a warrior.
     
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    Well Fed is 31 and has played 58, Rafa 25 has played 27 and Sampras only played in 28 in 12+ years.

    Sampras record meh.......but Rafa and Fed have played about the same number of ties based on age/time played.

    Fed gets the award only cause he has played semi-regularly over his total career..........you got guys like Hewitt and others who blow all three out of the water. Without looking it up I bet the majority of Feds ties were at the start of his career with a huge drop off at his peak.
     
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    Well Hewitt is also getting the award. Like I said, 299 getting it. I guess they're making up for lost years since it's a new award.

    And sure, Federer played a lot at the beginning of his career but the only year he hasn't participated since 1999 was 2010. So I don't know why some people here are whining that he doesn't deserve it.
     
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    Which surface they played most of the time in DC?
     
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    The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, eh? At least I gave you guys the truth and nothing but the truth...
     
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    They really have an award for everything these days...
     
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    Haha nice one. Yeah it's just the ITF struggling for relevance. Don't mind them.

    On a serious note this trend is a function of the influx of new fans who were brought to tennis in the last 8 or 9 years by the Fedal rivalry.

    I had the same reaction when people first floated the notion of a surface-GOAT. I was like, seriously?!?
     
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