Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by Raistlin, Nov 3, 2011.
Well if it was like Nadal's RM watch, I wouldn't complain. Heck, I'd settle for a Timex.
its like old times
fed does this...up 4-3 or 4-4, breaks, serves the set.
Really feel it for Roddick, he must be burning inside when facing (and losing) to Federer over and over again.
As big of a Fed fan I am, it just doesn't feel right to root for Roger in this particular match-up.
Fed failed on two lobs. Somehow that shot never works consistently well for Fed, unlike others?
roddick needs to beat Federer one more time before the pair retires. Hewitt did it back in Halle awhile ago. Hewitt and roddick both have bad h2h against federer. Hewitt won by playing different. He came in more instead of just sitting on the baseline. I don't understand roddick, he needs to change it up
why does federer's camp look like there in pain?
I know right, what's their H2H currently? I know its EXTREME...
I don't know why, Roddick just can't play well against Federer.
roddick was going to throw his racquet
fed just chews up roddick's serve, puts it at his feet and then passes him.
fed also takes the ball early and is a great shot maker. these are all nightmares for roddick.
fed also has a very good serve and 1-2 punch.
federer has a chance to break and serve for the set
I'm eating Lindt dark chocolate as I text...it is 90% cocoa...the same percentage of wins Fed enjoys over Mr. Decker...20-2.
Poor Andy, some of those losses were BIG ONES.
No Brooklyn Decker today?
Roddick always brings out the vintage in Federer
well that's all she wrote folks, Fed improves his H2H against Roddick yet again.
federer takes it 6-3 6-2
Fed wins 6-3 6-2
Good match till 3-3, then it was almost all Federer
Nothing is better than closing with an ace!!
on a second serve
andy roddick needed alot more first serves to win the match
Predictable result. Good routine win for Fed.
Yeah but Hewitt has 4x the amount of wins against Fed as Roddick does.
well obviously 36% first serves are not gonna cut it for roddick. especially not against fed
something ive been noticing all week tho.. 1st serve % seems to be very low for almost everyone throughout the tournament. fed has barely been over 50% as well. nishikori, kukushkin, wawrinka, mayer, all served below 50% today. mayer and wawrinka even below 40% together with arod.
djokovic has pretty much been the only one constantly serving at a decent 60something %. i wonder if everyone else is just trying to go for service winners more than usual
No kidding, if only it could have been done in that USO SF.. Speaking of which, wonder if these stats will get it done in likely final against joker... Well, first serve percentage will have to be higher than 53%.
Federer does to Roddick what Nadal does to Federer. Predictable result really. Federer has to play at superhuman level against an average-playing Nadal just to have a chance.
Roddick likewise has to play superhuman against an average Federer and it's still a toss up.
Thought it would be a little closer, but predicted Fed in straight sets. Roddick tries to run around like a rabbitt and wait for players to make mistakes. He's getting to old to play that way. I taped the match so it will be fun to watch the match after reading everyones comments.
Nope, not comparable. I agree that when Rafa and Rodge play Rafa goes in as the favorite but it's not the same as Rod Rodge. Nadal has won twice as many as he lost to Rodge, but even their H2H between Rodge and Rod is quite different.
Plus on hard court Nadal is not a huge favorite, less on indoors.
Not a good comparison.
Djokovic has been far from serving well for his standards this year, he's not an exception. As for Federer, I stand by my observations, he's going Pete Sampras, he's juicing it up, thus producing more double faults, and missing more first serves as well. It's a step in the right direction, he knows what he needs to do to get an edge against good returners like Murray and Djokovic, he's making them work for it. Same with nadal, a good second serve will usually get a weak response as the player doesn't expect something with a bit more oomph in it. It was pretty good in this match, despite Roddick returning better than expected, Federer was just too solid today.
I don't know why the serving is so bad, it's probably because they know this surface can get them a lot of easy points, so they are trying to go for much more than usual. I mean, look at the Tsonga vs Delpo match for instance, Tsonga hit like what ? 25 aces? Because he always went for huge first serves, like actually going for it, being aggressive with it. High risk high reward. At least that's what I think it is, I don't see any other thing considering it's indoors and there's no external factors.
also fed really got it done with maximum efficiency as usual against roddick. everytime he had got his foot into one of roddicks revice games he took it. roddick served quite a few love games
Really? Superhuman just for an average Nadal? You are exaggerating, Nadal is the favorite in the match up, but a superhuman Federer would wipe the floor with an average Nadal on any surface except probably clay. On grass, Nadal had to play superhuman against a somewhat sub-par Federer with mono, and it still took five sets. It's much more even than it seems and absolutely incomparable to what Roger does to Andy. Federer did have some amazing moments in the 2008 final, but I feel people blow the match out of proportion by saying both players were at their best games on that surface. For Nadal, it was his best grass match ever, even more impressive than 2010 Wimbledon. For Federer however, I've seen much better grass tennis from him than that particular match. So yeah, Nadal is at an advantage but no need to exaggerate, Nadal vs Federer matches are far more competitive.
Great performace by Fed, but seriously what a calamitous performance from Roddick, he just did nothing to put Fed out of his comfort zone, just hit every ball to Fed and stayed 10 feet behind the baseline for the entire match, just stupid tactics, its just ridiculous, he's lost to him 20 times out of 22 matches so there's nothing to lose so you would think just go for it and if you don't pull anything off so be it at least you gave your all but to just stand 10 feet behind the baseline doing nothing is just ridiculous, he didn't think in the slightest he was going to win that match from the first ball, Roddick seriously got to sit down and go back to the drawing board, i mean he's got a great coach in Larry so i don't no what they talked about before this match, guess they'll have to sort something out, if he wants to get anywhere near winning against the best.
Arod should get advice on how to play closer or even on the baseline from the master himself Andre Agassi.
This match and like you say many many others show a lack of intelligence and overview on Roddicks account. Poor.
It's not that easy to play closer to the baseline, even in his earlier days, Roddick was playing behind the baseline, but he was doing it aggressively, he knew when to step in rip the ball. In order to consistently play from the baseline you have to take the ball on the rise and have superb timing. ROddicks technique and level canno fulfill these requirements overnight, he can't just choose to play from inside the baseline and go Agassi on Federer. It's probably something he'll need to work on the off-season, but it is still difficult at this point. He does it to give himself room to wind up, but it's because he's being passive with his shots that it seems like he's pushing more. What he needs to do is to step in slightly more, and use that extra time and rip his shots and focus on depth rather than just pace.
Is this the beginning of the end for Andy R???? I hope not
the beginning of the end began a while back
Roger Federer 21-2 Andy Roddick
2001 Basel QF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (3-6, 6-3, 7-6)
2002 Sydney SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (7-6, 6-4)
2002 Basel QF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (7-6, 6-1)
2003 Wimbledon SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (7-6, 6-3, 6-3)
2003 Montreal SF: Andy Roddick def. Roger Federer (6-4, 3-6, 7-6)
2003 Masters Cup SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (7-6, 6-2)
2004 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (4-6, 7-5, 7-6, 6-4)
2004 Toronto F: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (7-5, 6-3)
2004 Bangkok F: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-4, 6-0)
2005 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-2, 7-6, 6-4)
2005 Cincinnati F: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-3, 7-5)
2006 US Open F: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-2, 4-6, 7-5, 6-1)
2006 Masters Cup RR: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (4-6, 7-6, 6-4)
2007 Australian Open SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-4, 6-0, 6-2)
2007 US Open QF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (7-6, 7-6, 6-2)
2007 Masters Cup RR: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-4, 6-2)
2008 Miami QF: Andy Roddick def. Roger Federer (7-6, 4-6, 6-3)
2009 Australian Open SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-2, 7-5, 7-5)
2009 Miami QF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-3, 4-6, 6-4)
2009 Madrid QF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (7-5, 6-7, 6-1)
2009 Wimbledon F: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 3-6, 16-14)
2010 Basel SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-2, 6-4)
2011 Basel QF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-3, 6-2)
Hardcourt: 14-2 to Federer
Grass: 4-0 to Federer
Clay: 1-0 to Federer
Carpet: 2-0 to Federer
In Slams: 8-0 to Federer
Who said it was easy? I am not argueing with you, i am telling you the way that it is.
Ouch. Just ouch.
Right. So I guess the fact that Nadal has won 9 out of their last 11 meetings still gives Federer fans a shred of hope that Federer still has "chances". :lol::lol:
What's funny is that the only reason Federer even won those 2 matches is because Nadal was dead after playing a 4 hour war against Djokovic only 24 hours prior in Madrid, not to mention a 3 hour battle with Murray at the World Tour finals, also 24 hours prior.
The last time Federer actually beat Nadal at his best was in 2007. Outside of that, it was always a case of close but no cigar.
Nadal dominates Federer the same way Federer dominates Roddick. Even Roddick has pushed Federer hard the same way Federer has pushed Nadal. But the end result is always the same.
When did superhuman mode ever work for Federer against a fresh Nadal in the past 3 years? You've got excuses for every single Federer performance, using that silly mono garbage excuse. Mono didn't bother Federer. He went into the final having not even dropped a set and barely having his serve broken.
Many Federer/Roddick matches were also very competitive. Did you ever watch Federer/Roddick Wimbledon 2009? USO 2007? Miami 2009? Madrid 2009? Masters Cup 2006?
Yeah, the only reason that Federer won those matches was that Nadal was dead from tough matches 24 hours ago. It is ironic that you are calling out other people for using "stupid excuses".
So you think Nadal's 4 hour epic with Djokovic in Madrid 2009 didn't result in Nadal being burned out for the final the next day?
LOL LOL. What is Fed v Nadal H2H outside of clay?
Nadal-Fed isn't as one sided as Fed-Roddick. Roddick has played Federer tough a number of times but unfortunately it's still been one way traffic for ten years. There was a time when Nadal-Fed was very competitive. Fed has only beat Rafa twice in recent years. Roddick has only managed to beat Fed twice in his career to date. Wimby 09 in particular makes me sad.
Well, all you came up with was bunch of folly many have spat out before you, old boring H2H and " last time he beat him was 2007"
You obviously never learn your lessons and you probably are one of those who think Nadal has reached the final of three slams this year not being at his best, but he is passed his prime.
You base your whole argument on a H2H, 9 out of 11, but fail to see the 6-0 which is a complete ownage of Nadal with a losing H2H.
I am wondering why I waste time and energy with someone so simplistic as you. Nadal and Federer, while Federer was at his pick up to 2007, did have a rivalry, on grass and Hard courts. Rod and Fed never had on any surface.
Now you post stupid smiley faces as much as you want. You obviously dont see the difference.
Didn't Nadal beat Federer in grass, clay and hardcourt Slams? And also has beaten him 9 times out of 11 meetings over the past 3 years? How exactly is this a rivalry honestly?
Federer's still a legend but everybody agrees that his talent alone isn't enough to handle Nadal. Nobody beats a fresh Nadal playing 'beautiful' tennis. You need a lot more and Federer isn't tough enough to pull it off. As a matter of fact, Nadal basically knows Federer's game inside out. Look at their last meeting at Roland Garros. Nadal already knew which shot Federer was going to hit and when. Federer is easy pickings and completely predictable for Nadal. A joke of a rivalry. If they met at the USO the last 2 times, Federer would've lost as usual.
Federer fanatics on TW seem to be the only ones clueless to the truth that Nadal owns Federer and has always owned Federer as far as head to head play goes. Yes Federer still is the more accomplished overall, but time to accept certain facts rather than be in denial.
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