Federer vs Tsonga - 2013 AO quarter-finals

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Federer vs Tsonga - 2013 AO

  1. Federer in 3

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  2. Federer in 4

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  3. Federer in 5

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  4. Tsonga in 3

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  5. Tsonga in 4

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  6. Tsonga in 5

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  1. Fedex

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    Federer and Tsonga made the game look ridiculously easy tonight.
    Are the courts that slow and lacking in bounce and zing (maybe bounce up for sitters but not low) or are the players really that good?

    If those are normal courts then I just cannot get my head round how skillful the guys at this level are.
     
  2. eliars

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    It seems like this happens to Fed a lot in close matches. His overall bp conversion rate is not that bad. But in matches vs the top guys, it seems to be a different story. Got to give credit where credit is due though - Tsonga served and played brilliantly when facing break points. It is undoubtedly an aspect Federer needs to work on. Not sure if you can work on being 'clutch' though.
     
  3. Steve0904

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    I thought about that too actually. I thought it would end like you did just because I'm superstitious. The AO is the one slam left where he's never lost in the QF's since he became the Federer we know today. Bit strange considering the Aussie surface especially today doesn't suit his game as much as Wimbledon or the USO.
     
  4. namelessone

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    Apparently Fed's BP conversion rate in this tourney so far is about 29%(19/66).

    :facepalm:

    Djoko's is 43%(26/60)
    Murray is around 56%(41/73)
    Ferrer has 44%(34/77) BP conversion.

    It's true that Fed had a tougher draw but he certainly isn't making things easier on himself or his fans.
     
  5. Hood_Man

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    I'm still hopeful for Fed. He played a stinker against Monfils in the 2011 FO Quarter Final, and then went on to give Rafa the French Open in the semi final.

    I mean, go on to beat Djokovic in the semi final ;)
     
  6. Goosehead

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    i dont think 3hrs 30mins in the cooler evening is a big deal..its not as if federer has had any long matches in the earlier rounds.
     
  7. rdis10093

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    yeah, but it is tough to break agains guys like tsonga,tomic, and milos. they can all produce aces to get out of jail
     
  8. Steve0904

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    Well you weren't wrong there. All credit to Jo though.
     
  9. DeShaun

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    I wonder if/how Murray will be able to take away Roger's time quite as well as Jo did tonight. Actually, I don't wonder at all...I assume Andy will try to make the match physical, which he will probably be able to do, I would guess, for about a set and a half before Roger backs him into some kind of corner and then, Andy under pressure sort of reverts--as is human nature--to what he has been doing essentially since his junior days, which is not what I would consider taking the match to your opponent like Jo was tonight. I will be surprised if Murray wins, to tell you the truth.
     
  10. Goosehead

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    courier seems to lack a bit of awareness with what other folk are saying, and he goes on and on too much.
     
  11. Goosehead

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    i think federer is where he needs to be..just enough tough tennis..

    murray could be well undercooked with the easy cupcake draw he had..

    mats wilander said no one knows what level murray is really at as he has not been pushed...so the semi is up for grabs i think.
     
  12. Cup8489

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    Darren Cahill called Fed out about the BP conversion rates after the match; I'm sure he will be discussing the issue going forward.
     
  13. Love Game

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    exactly! the other night courier kept djoker out there talking for 10 minutes! and all the while the arena was emptying out. i dout that djoker appreciated that ..... courier acts like he's the "60 minutes" of tennis matches, maybe he's angling for a new gig?
     
  14. BeHappy

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    Tsonga is going to break through this year. He came so close at the French last year against Djoker, then at Wimbledon against Murray, and now against Federer.

    His time will come soon. Hopefully at Wimbledon where the closed roof makes his serve unreturnable.

    I loved this match. Contests like these are why I love this game.
     
  15. Fiji

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    This says it all.
     
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  17. Goosehead

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    tough serves to face..

    raonic, tomic, tsonga, esp tsonga and raonic 2 of the biggest servers going, like you said..tough. :)

    anyone would struggle with that lot.:shock:
     
  18. BeHappy

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    Very good point.
     
  19. kalyan4fedever

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    Fed may not be superstitious but he may be thinking last time ao i met rod laver , then played against rafa he lost, now he met tsonga after meeting laver he has tough five sets
     
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    Lol. Fair enough then. We had so much success with McEnroe as the prime time commentator / on court interviewer that we wanted another one when he left. I guess Jim was all we could get.
     
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    This. If Fed had have converted more break points v Tsonga, Fed would've won much more comfortably.
     
  22. Duncan Bell

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    Thanks for the insight.

    Also, if Tsonga had aced every serve and made 0 Unforced, I think he might have won this match. :)

    (p.s. welcome!)
     
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    Haha. True. Thanks:)
     
  24. bluetrain4

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    Didn't stay up to watch this. Was it as entertaining as the scoreline. I'd imagine it was fun since Tsonga and Fed are both shotmakers.

    Poor Tsonga. A great player, but just a step below the top guys (just like Ferrer, but in a totally different way).
     
  25. coloskier

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    As many lines as Tsonga hit, if that wasn't God mode I don't know what is.
     
  26. cucio

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    Very entertaining match, reminiscent of the Federer vs Safin of olden days.

    Fed played serious and solid, far from his most brilliant tennis, but extremely focused and sacrificing flashiness for effectiveness, playing well within himself. Interesting development.

    He will probably have to step it up to get around Djoker's top class defense, though.
     
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    Well he first has to beat Murray who also isn't a slouch in the defense department on HC before worrying about Novak.
     
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    it was really a very good match, especially federer had given a tennis lesson to tsonga....
     
  29. cucio

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    Oh, sure, of course.

    I didn't make it clear in my post but I was pondering if maybe this match after a couple of significant defeats against Jo could herald a change in the overall scheme of things, how Fed's new approach could be a slightly more conservative one and what would that mean towards winning slams and getting to #1, that's why I was thinking of Nole as his main contender.

    Just speculating way too much over the only AO'13 match I've been able to half-watch, I guess. Too much work these days.
     
  30. MindoverMatter

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    I wish I could have watched this one! Just looking at the score it seems like a stressful, up and down back and forth type of match where you never know who's going to win. And last night I watched the Murray-Chardy match before going to bed...

    But, with this match going so long will Fed really be in the best shape to handle Murray who has had a string of shorter matches?
     
  31. Steve0904

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    Well I was way wrong on my prediction. Impressive fight from Tsonga. He seems to have upped his mental game with Rasheed as his coach because the "old" Tsonga would've folded after one of the first or third sets. As for Federer, well he'll have to play a lot better than that to beat Murray, but I never count him out.
     
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  34. The_Order

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    You seem to be forgetting how many times Tsonga missed the lines or dumped shots particularly the bh into the net. Tsonga played well, but not at his highest level to be considered god mode.

    In the 4th set you could make a case, Tsonga had his back to the wall and started going for broke, his average ground stroke speed went from 109k in the first 3 sets to 129k in the 4th set.

    But he played conservatively at times in the other sets especially at crucial moments like just pushing a second serve return off his bh side in the 3rd set TB.
     
  35. kaleidoskope

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    Just had a laugh with the on-court interview:
    Roger (when asked about his next match): "Hmmm, I gotta recover a little bit, but...(looking funny) I'm gonna be fine...I'm young, you know. I'll recover quick...hahhahahah. (looking at Jim) better than seniors, of course..."

    Fantastic!
     
  36. Steve0904

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    Nice picture! The Rocket still looks great!
     
  37. Mike Sams

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    This was the same Tsonga that was giving Djokovic nightmares at RG 2012 and AO 2010.
     
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    What a match from the looks of it, but glad I didn't stay up though, have a long day today. :)

    Go Fed!
    Tsonga was close, hope he'll get his time one day.
     
  39. Mike Sams

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    This was a much better effort from Tsonga than the Tsonga/Federer AO 2010 disaster anyway! :lol:
     
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    You cant expect Federer to go through 2 thick walls. If he somehow manages to go past Murray, he will recieve a breadstick in the finals, no doubt bout that.
     
  41. TheMusicLover

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    You've been following the match via the scoreboard, I suppose?

    It's a common mistake people make, attributing a poor BP-conversion % to the reciever only. Well, there was someone else involved in this match, too, who served great and showed great gutsy attacking play about every time he got into trouble. I'd advise you to have a look at Tsonga's final serve game, in which he fended off four MPs - three of those saves were because of his awesome, all-or-nothing attacking shots, not because Federer f*cked *p.
    Give some credits to the one that deserves them.

    Federer has already achieved what I hoped for him to do at this tournament, considering the draw and all. Anything more would be a bonus, but I'm far from as negative as some over here are.

    Djokovic has already shown that he's not unbeatable. Murray, has he had ONE decent opponent yet? ;)
     
  42. joeri888

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    29% is not THAT bad, since Fed was winning 34% of receiving points overall.
    Always compare it to overall receiving points won. OF COURSE Fed will have a worse conv. than Murray and Djokovic, the same way as he's expected to have a higher bp saved %
     
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    I would have loved to see both Murray-Djoker and Fed-Djoker matches. Too bad Murray is in Fed's half so only the latter is a possibility now. Fed-Murray matches are not closely contested for some reason and they have never played a 5 setter , I think ?
     
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    When did Rasheed take over as Tsonga's coach ? Was he his coach when Tsonga came back from two sets down to take their Wimby '11 encounter in 5 ? :)
     
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    I was so wrong. A lot of grit by Tsonga. Love the attacking style and all court play. Hope to see more of this in future matches.
     
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    I just woke up. Solid sleeping schedule arrangement I have here.
     
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    Was this match really that great? The AO website is calling it one of the best AO matches ever.
     
  48. Netspirit

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    No, it was just "tough". Lots of grinding from both players. Painful break-backs. Fed: good topspin backhands - especially down the line, poor serving and erratic forehands, very little net play. Tsonga: trying to hit Fed off the court, solid backhands, net play, clutch serving.
     
  49. Bobby Jr

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    I agree. People make way too much of break point converted percentage when it's actually one of the more pointless stats there is.

    The break stat which is important (after "did I win or not?" :p ) is whether you broke or not when you had a chance. If you had 15 chances in a return game to break and you finally got there your break percentage is actually 100%. All those other points actually become immediately irrelevant if you are eventually successful.

    The breaks per break point percentage is about as misguided a stat as percentage of service games won per game points held. You could win 6-0 6-0 and only have a 10% conversion rate on that.
     
  50. Bobby Jr

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    Lots of grinding? Average rally length was only 4 point something.

    Backhands...
    Federer also made 16 backhand errors and only hit 6 winners (Tsonga uneblievably hit 28 backhand errors and only 4 winners)

    Forehands...
    Federer made 29 errors and hit 10 winners, Tsonga 33 errors and 17 winners.

    How did Federer win the final set?.... He won 17 of 37 return points compared to Tsonga's 5 of 25. Also won 14 of 17 net points - more than any other set - by miles.
     

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