Federer with non-RF line polo against Istomin!!!

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  1. RF20Lennon

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    I meant wristband sorry and your second pic isn't showing.
     
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    Oh, ok ;)

    Can't see the second pic ??? I can !!!
    It's from Getty Images. Could it be the reason why it doesn't appear in all browsers ???
    I just replaced it by another one anyway.
     
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    Oh ok! yeah now it works! haha.
     
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    Thank you. This is exactly what I thought as well!
     
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    ^ the odd thing was Fed wore the gold at Basel presentation specifically. Nike must had told him before the match to have it in the bag for the presentation.

    Somebody made the point earlier about Nike might have feared Fed not making the WTF, so he had to wear it at least once to make marketing legit. Though I agreed Fed must had not liked the Red Beijing outfit for whatever reason.
     
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    might be a bit in the mind, if you have a bad loss in a certain shirt, perhaps you will not use that shirt.

    nadal rg pink shirt. when was the last time he wore a pink polo?
     
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    I would agree to say that Nike told him not to wear the WTF polo IF he would have changed it for the second match, BUT he changed after the first set. The polo was already in his bag, on purpose. I guess it was meant to be worn at some point, and Nike couldn't have told him to change after the first set ! (how could have they done that ???)
     
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    I also think so.
    I guess it's Nike telling Fed what to wear and what not.
    I'm sure THEY told him to wear the WTF in the first match for a marketing purpose, like you said.
    After all, we're talking about it and wondering about the polo switching. Commercialy speaking, it works ;)
     
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    I agree with the WTF shirt. In case he didn't qualify, Nike needed it to be seen.

    But I don't understand the Red/Grey from Shanghai. He never did it before... not on the last 2 years that I looked more closely.
    He have had some bad losses lately and used the same shirt as well. May have something to do with the Doubles he played??
     
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    pink polo i don't know... but he wore a pink bright shirt during the pré-USO 2010, and that one from last year's RG is more a hot pink than a red.
     
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    So, You guys Agree w/my post earlier that this t-shirt is a *PAINT-JOB* - lol , I made that comment as a joke , now that Nike has actually paint-jobbed his T-shirt I find this hilarious.

    I think fed has over the years had a liking to dark/black colorways for night/indoor matches - he hated the WTF colorway ( he should ) , there must be something in his contract with Nike that says he can wear ANY T-shirt from the current line ( there must be something in the writing worked out by Fed's lawyers to give him enough freedom about his clothing/shoes ).

    All in All the whole situation is funny.
     
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  13. Babolast

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    Watching Fed play right now and noticed the shirt fits better now and there is a RF logo on the sleeve.
     
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    I think it's very simple , Fed took one look at the colorway & in his mind he was like "HELL-NO" , I'm not wearing that - so he wore whatever from the line his contract allowed - then Nike was like Ok, Roger - you seriously don't like that colorway ? We will make make that colorway for your RF line t-shirts ( IN OTHER WORDS - PAINT-JOB It ) , clearly the shirt he is wearing now is NOT the retail shirt he wore in Basel , my guess is since Roger refused to wear that blue-colorway , Nike had to make him this PJ to save the value of RF line.

    Ohh, one more thing , this proves IT WAS the colorway that Fed didn't like - NOT the fit ( the retail t was more loose ) as some other posters suggested the reason he changed , now that He is wearing a RF-line like Fitted T with a different color - it was definitely the color Fed didn't like.
     
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    I like the one he's got on now, is that up for sale?
     
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    +1.

    Maybe Fed has a 'if I lose to Monfils, I can burn all remaining copies of that shirt' clause in his contract.

    We've all been looking at this from the Fed side - just maybe Nike wanted to run an experiment and see if Fed wearing one of the lower cost shirts if it could bump sales. And maybe early opinion of his Shanghai outfit was so negative they decided to write it off and move on.
     
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    You guys really think Nike just send the shirts to Fed before his approval??

    I pretty sure he sees the shirts before it's approved.

    IMHO he stopped using the shanghai one cause he lost or something like that, not cause he didn't like the colors.
     
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    Nonsense. He sees and discuss the colourways a year ahead. They wouldn't wait until time to wear it to decide he doesn't like yellow. Besides, he's worn yellow before.

    Similarly, you'd have to be pretty naive to think their relationship entails Nike demanding he wear something or each party referring to the contract whenever Roger isn't comfortable with the way an item has turned out. They solve problems when they arise and have reserve plans in place - namely the other shirts in the line, or an alternative colour available.

    When Roger wore non RF polos when playing doubles on a couple of occasions no-one read as much into it as they have here.

    No, it doesn't. It could have been the material annoyed him - not soft enough, too slimy when wet or the seams irritated him. There's plenty of reasons - including production/supply ones - why he may have changed shirt. The fit thing seems an awfully odd one. If they can make him shoes in a matter of days they can surely re-cut a couple of shirts with a few days notice.
     
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    This ^ seems far more likely than Federer suddenly deciding he hates yellow all of a sudden.

    There could also be production/supply aspects to it too. Nike is not beyond having major production issues from time to time.
     
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    hey Bobby Jr , Though your assumption may hit home about colorway, but it's not a production issue - because Fed did wear the Blue-Gold T-shirt during prize giving ceremony at Basel ( he had it all the time in his bag - just didn't wear it ) , so I think we can write-off production issues on this one - but good point my friend. :)
     
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    It's a best guess scenario - Yes, it could have been the material , but IMO he colorway is more likely than FIT ( because Nike made him the exact fit the RF polo's have with that colorway ) - I am assuming just as you offcourse.
     
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    are some people arguing that he changed because of colour? if so, he 100% saw and wore the blue gold polo prior to these tournaments because he photographed in it on ATP website as part of advertisements. I believe these photoshoots are done very early on in the year
     
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    Yes they are done in March at IW. By the way tfm, have you seen or heard anything about Fall 14 ?
     
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  24. Bobby Jr

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    That could be but it's easy to wear an annoying shirt for 30 minutes during a prize ceremony for promotion value even if you don't want to wear it to play in.

    We'll likely never know in any case. They succeeding in their marketing plan - we're all talking about it. :p
     
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    seems that fed and nadal both have ditched their wtf outfit.
     
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    That is too weird. Nike must have had issue with the stock production of the final shirts.
     
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    Does that mean the whole outfit? Or just shirts? I was wondering because when Federer was wearing his WTF polo for the ad for the tournament this year he was wearing his 2013 French Open color way on his V9.
     
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    I agree - that's the most likely explanation.
     
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    Man the Non-RF polo sold quickly on TW. All they have are SM, XL, and XXL's :cry:
     
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    They surely know how to do business. Whatever the reason Fed didn't wear WTF shirt, they couldn't have lost out. They probably have sold more shirts that way. Look at the Vapor 9 limited edition shoes. It sold out in, what, 1 days? There must be some business decisions why Fed didn't wear the shirt because, personally, I love it.
     
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    I like the shirt too. But of course, looks are subjective.
     
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  32. West Coast Ace

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    Not sure that's a fair comparison - whenever word gets on the Internet that there will be any Nike sneakers made in a limited quantity, the non-tennis people (think 'people who have garages full of Beanie Babies') come out of the woodwork to snag a pair to flip for a quick profit.

    And I'm not sure how you can dispute that having Fed on TV wearing the items fuels sales. These guys are walking billboards - their endorsement deals would be a fraction of what they make if they didn't wear the clothes during televised matches.

    I still think Fed wore the non-RF (then became RF after they heat transferred some logos on his) shirt because Nike had problems producing the gold shirts. Remember that on Nov 1 TW showed a Nov 20 arrival day for them - clearly Nike wasn't ready. My local shop said they've been having issues with Nike clothes showing up on the expected dates.
     
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    Absolutely true these top players are walking billboards. Federer is even more so than anyone else. I think because he is so stylish, people want RF line products so much and I'm no exception. However, I find it hard to believe RF didn't wear those shirts because Nike couldn't supply them in time for Fed. Federer actually was wearing them in the first match of Basel, so he must have had the shirts in possession. Strange there were no questions asked in any interviews about this. Maybe a good question for Fed's next Twitter chatting with fans?
     
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    Are you new to following tennis or Nike tennis gear? Nike had the same problem in 2010; part of Nadal's summer/fall lines were delayed; they switched to someone in another country (I believe the earlier shirts were from Vietnam; they switched to Israel and there were very delayed). Happens all the time in Manufacturing; companies look for better (cheaper) Supply Chain options - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Boeing's 787 was delayed for many years because Boeing subcontracted too much work out; the firms couldn't meet the quality or schedule requirements.

    You can't be serious - or you're very young. There's no way Fed would risk his relationship with Nike airing any dirty laundry in a press conference.
     
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    Federer was wearing them in the first match and then again during the ceremony after the final in Basel. Also, by the time of WTF, the shirt was publicly on sale. There's no way Nike didn't have them in stock.


    How could that question strain Fed's relationship with Nike? That's absurd what you are saying.
     
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    So all that proves is they had 1 or 2 made. Not enough for Fed. Do you think he does laundry every night?

    You are young, aren't you? Any issues Nike is having with suppliers or Fed not liking the shirt styling are private matters. If Fed spoke in public he could lose the endorsement deal. All these deals have clauses - no company is going to pay a guy millions and have him rip them or expose internal problems to the public.
     
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    By the time of WTF, all the retail shops had that shirt in stock. Do you ever check whether the shops have items in stock?


    I don't know why you are acting like a grown up who knows everything while you don't really show that kind of wisdom or maturity. Are you crazy to even suggest Nike would drop Fed for explaining simple reasons why he didn't wear that shirt? You obviously can't discern who is the real draw in the sales of Nike RF line. Do you really think Fed would say anything like "the shirt was so crap I couldn't wear them"? If he gives answers which seems superficial, we can just believe there must other reasons, but if there was a real reason other than defects in the shirt, our curiosity would've been dissolved. Also, you are really missing the point here. I was wondering why nobody even asked about the shirt. Nike wouldn't dump Federer for being asked questions about their product. That's the most dumb and hilarious comment I've read today.
     
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  38. Bobby Jr

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    His shirts are not retail stock. They're made exactly for him. Perhaps they got his ones wrong and that was the initial source of the issue. it has happened before - Nadal's custom Aussie Open shirt the other year was too tight and the following match he started wearing larger off the shelf shirts. The details of how the collar on his vs the retail shirt was cut/seamed was noticed by someone with sharp eyes here.

    Also - because some shirts are available in retail doesn't mean they don't still have issues with the supply chain somewhere. Nike run an almost entirely futures style production - they only make what has already been ordered - and some places, whole countries or continents could get a product before issues are picked up and the production/delivery to elsewhere stopped. Other factors could also be in play such as the shirts they made for him were the ones which didn't fit or were uncomfortable. This seems likely given he did actually start out by wearing them and then switched to the other one during a match. Also he wore it again during the trophy presentation where the fit/feel of it probably is an irrelevance.
     
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    Thanks for info. We can suspect there must be issues with WTF shirt's design or the material used for it. Still, I would be a bit surprised if Nike couldn't fix that in time for WTF after Basel. They had 2 weeks to do the job, but instead, they just tailored the 'Zebra' shirt and put an RF logo. I am just curious what the real reason was for Fed not wearing that shirt.
     
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    Another thing which I found strange was that he wore the WTF shirt during training in London, but kept on wearing the Zebra one during matches.

    [​IMG]
     
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    It's because quality of "zebra shirt" is 10 times better. Poliester (88%) + spandex (12%)

    The Rf fall shirts are 100% poliester
     
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    When dominating the ATP Fed's shirts used to wear so baggy and loose. There just might be a correlation to the ranking drop. )
     
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