Federer's biggest choke against Nadal

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Which is it?

  1. FO 2011, Fed failing to win 1st set after leading 5-2.

    28.2%
  2. Hamburg 2008, Fed failing to win 1st set after leading 5-1.

    8.7%
  3. Wimbledon 2008, Fed a break up in the 2nd, loses the set.

    7.8%
  4. AO 2009, Fed a break up in 1st, has a billion BPs in 3rd, loses both sets.

    32.0%
  5. Rome 2006, Fed was up two MPs, sends his FHs far away.

    14.6%
  6. Monte Carlo 2008, Fed was up breaks in both sets, lost both.

    1.0%
  7. Dubai 2006, Fed failing to win a match he was in control of.

    1.0%
  8. FO 2007, Fed couldn't convert BPs and he had plenty.

    6.8%
  1. Magnus

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    What's is his biggest choke?
     
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  2. bolo

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    man it's sad to see fed fanboys fall apart like this.

    Can't wait to see what's next! :)
     
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  3. roundiesee

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    I'm tempted to say ALL :( I think the one that hurt most was probably that '08 Wimby final. If he had won the second set things might have been very different. Poor Fed, he was in position so many times to put Nadal away but just couldn't. I think in part we have to remember that Nadal plays extremely well when his back is against the wall, so what may seem like a "choke" is actually Rafa playing at his absolute best to turn things round :(
     
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  4. powerangle

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    In terms of almost crossing the finishing line, and then ending up losing...it has to be Rome 2006 because of those match points. If he had won that match, a lot of their clay matches, and matches period, that followed probably would have been different. That loss took a lot of fight and air out of Federer.

    However, the AO 2009 has always resonated the most with me for some reason. The stars were aligned for Federer to win, and you almost felt like it was Fed's match to lose. Federer played very well for most of the match, but when it came to the big points, he faltered. Nadal played basically the match of his life on hard courts, his backhand was super-beastlike, and yet it was still at 2 sets all (and that's after Federer failing to seal the deal in the first set and converting on the bps in the 3rd set). Roger came totally unglued in the 5th set in a very epic fashion.
     
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  5. Since when is being up a break and losing the set a "choke"? Does anyone understand what a choke really is? I didn't realize the second you broke someone you had the set in the bag. :rolleyes:
     
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  6. norbac

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    Losing the 2008 French Open final after being on serve 2-2 in the second.
     
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  7. Chopin

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    Why don't you go post somewhere else?
     
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  8. bolo

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    lol, I can't believe that didn't make the list. :)
     
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  9. Sharpshooter

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    Oh lap it up the second set in 08 Wim. LOL what about the third set where Rafa had Fed at 0-40 and failed to break? Or the 4th set TB where Rafa had a match point?
     
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  10. IvanisevicServe

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    Nadal did choke in the 4th set of 08 Wimbledon. He was up 5-2 in the tiebreak, then double faulted and blew the next point on a bad error as well.
     
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  11. Magnus

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    What's your problem? Can't someone start a tennis poll regarding tennis in a tennis forum talking about tennis? Don't like it? Go away.
     
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    ^^

    correct, but the matchpoint was not a choke
     
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  13. TheNatural

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    His biggest choke up was probably at 2009 AO. Some others :

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  14. Comet Buster

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    AO 2009 was the worst display of mental strength I've ever seen from Federer. Especially in the 5th where he threw in the towel after being broken for the first time in that set. It's a shame he served so horrible in that match because he played very well from the baseline. Choked on countless BP's throughout the match. That's what Federer does against Nadal.
     
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  15. bolo

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    you can, and I am allowed to comment on it too. I found it sad and funny at the same time! :)
     
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  16. roysid

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    AO' 09. But a bigger choke in a HUGE match is 09 US Open final.
     
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  17. MichaelNadal

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    I've been trying to figure this one out myself. I think if you are a fan of a player, anytime they go up a break, and don't win the set, your reasoning is that they choked. Apparently it has nothing to do with the other player, once they go up a break, the other player is supposed to just stand there and fold. Not like the opponent is getting any balls back or anything. It's all the choker.
     
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  18. Sharpshooter

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    Yeah but 5-2 up in the TB and then a DF?

    Plus that matchpoint could've been his had he hit his FH DTL to fed FH instead of being predictable and going across to the BH. He played it safe IMO.
     
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  19. Magnus

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    No, it doesn't happen all the time, but with Fed's case, it does. If you've seen any of the matches you see Fed being aggressive, getting big leads, and BAM, makes 4 unforced errors in a service game and things go downhill since.
     
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  20. Sid_Vicious

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    So many Federer fanboys have been acting ridiculously insecure lately. Some are starting threads with prayers to god that Nadal does not win Wimbledon. The constant whining is now getting annoying. Nadal is a bad match up for federer, Federer chokes all the matches away, Federer is past his prime etc. are all statments that have some degree of truth to them but are being abused horrendously by some fed fans here. The biggest cause of the lopsided record is not the surfaces and chokes, but rather a guy named Ralph.
     
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  21. Magnus

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    ...OK :-|:-|
     
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  22. zagor

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    I just can't pick one,they're all beautiful in their own way,let's not discriminate.
     
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  23. FedEx23

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    Against Nadal, I have to say his biggest choke has to be either the 2007 and 2011 FO. 2007 was may Fed's best shot to beat Nadal at the FO and he blew that along with many break point chances. This year, although I still feel Nadal has the firepower to come back and win this match if this happens, Federer had plenty of chances to win the first set and could have very well won the second set. But...Coulda, shoulda, woulda, right?

    Besides Nadal, I think his biggest chokes have been in the 2009 US Open final against Delpo when he served for the 2nd set at 5-3 to go up two sets to none. Last year against Djokovic he also held (I think) two match/break points and failed to convert those and went on to lose the match. Against Nadal, especially in his grand slam loses, he hasn't come nearly as close to winning as he was in the US Open the past couple of years. Beating Delpo could have completed the Roger-slam!
     
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  24. ksbh

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    ROFL X 10,000 ... the Federer fanboys just can't stop bashing Federer!

    As Sid Vicious said, completely insecure bunch of fanboys!
     
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  25. FedEx23

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    At least I'm not delusional and make excuses for Federer. I try to be as objective a fan as possible although Federer is by far my favorite player. Am I bashing him if I admit that Federer choked away a few grand slams? No, I'm being realistic.
     
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  26. Mustard

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    Nadal, of course, gets no credit for coming back from these deficits to win sets and matches. It's all Federer's "choking", apparently :roll:
     
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    Roger is quite old,every additional match he wins this year is a small miracle.
     
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  28. FedEx23

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    Maybe he's old, but he's still more consistent than almost anyone else on tour. Dare I say he's more consistent than Nadal?
     
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  29. FedEx23

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    Well I think it was definitely a factor of Nadal stepping up his game which caused the "choke" or lack of shotmaking. Nadal deserves all the credit with winning these matches, but there is a clear trend of Federer just sort of tailing off at the end of many of these matches, i.e. 2009 AO where Fed lost 6-2 in the 5th.
     
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  30. zagor

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    Agree,hence the title of the thread.
     
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  31. zagor

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    You'd be wrong,Nadal reached 7 finals in a row since AO,the only time Fed was that consistent was back in 2006.

    Fed is an ancient tennis specimen.
     
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  32. Magnus

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    When Fed makes 4 unforced errors in a row, it doesn't have much to do with Nadal.
     
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  33. FedEx23

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    Federer has been SO much more consistent over his career than Nadal. 28 straight QF appearances in majors. Not to say Nadal isn't consistent, but he has great stretches of brilliances and then flames out for a short period around the late summer or fall. Federer is much more even keel even though his success-rate has fallen off from his 04-07 high.

    By consistent I don't mean he wins everything but his results are fairly even throughout the season. But this is not on the topic of this thread anymore so I'll stop there.
     
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  34. BULLZ1LLA

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    (Rafa was up 2 sets to love and up a break in 3rd set. If it didn't rain, odds are it would have been straight sets Rafa)
     
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  35. fps

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    The only one that sticks in the mind as a seizure, an aberration, a man beaten before he walked on court with his head not right, was the RG final 2008. I can't believe it's not on here. It is spurious to claim some of these are chokes rather than matches ebbing away as Rafa raises his game at crunch time, always.
     
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  36. BULLZ1LLA

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    (Rafa has never lost in the 1st Round of a slam. While Federer lost in the 1st Round of Wimbledon THREE times. That balances things out)
     
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  37. MichaelNadal

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    Really, so who's returning the balls until the point the UE comes?
     
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  38. Omega_7000

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    So you admit Nadal keeps returning the ball until he gets an unforced error?
     
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  39. BULLZ1LLA

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    (Rafa makes players take greater risks and hit closer to the lines, so when we see Soderling and Federer makes unforced errors its because of Rafa being such a threat. They aren't UNFORCED errors they are ENFORCED errors. Logic (and their coach) tells them they have to end the points relatively early if they are to win the match)
     
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  40. fps

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    Absolutely. The mental side of tennis is so important that I would say only about 20% of the shots claimed to be Unforced Errors are usually anything of the sort in a match.
     
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  41. norbac

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    Gilles Muller?
     
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  42. MichaelNadal

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    I admit it's not all about Federer "choking" yes. If Federer hits a UE that isn't choking, it's called being outplayed.
     
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  43. DjokovicForTheWin

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    That pretty much proves Rafa is playing at his peak now and Djokovic is still murdering him on the court.
     
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  44. ACE of Hearts

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    I thought this year's french open was a big choke.Never capitalized on the first set and had a chance to break in the 4th set.He never plays the big points well and little UEs start to pop up in his game.
     
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    just shows how close all those matches were - and how both nadal and federer managed time after time to come back after losing sets, games.

    and how crucial the federer's breakpoints vs nadal are.

    (maybe it's tennis's huuuge advantage of a lefty?)
     
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  47. Bhagi Katbamna

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    I wouldn't call it a choke. JMDP stepped it up and just hit through Federer. Give the winner some credit.
     
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  48. Pwned

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    None are chokes. But he should have won Rome 06 and maybe AO 09. But Nadal often has a lot of break points against him. It's not like having a break means you are a lock for the set.
     
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  49. icazares

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    Gotta go with RG'11 based on his first serve percentage before and after the set point that he had in the first. Somehow, he started missing most serves after great serve performances in the first games and in his previous match with Djokovic. To me, a clear indication of a tight body not working as it should in times of distress.
     
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  50. Tammo

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    all of them are pretty bad chokes
     
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