Federer's era HC quality vs. Sampras' era HC quality

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HC competition

  1. Federer's HC competition was better

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  2. Sampras' HC competition was better

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  3. Both are roughly the same quality

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  1. P_Agony

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    Ok, we've had the Federer vs. Sampras on hard courts poll, and Federer won by a huge atvantage.

    But who Had the better HC competition?

    Pete had Agassi, Courier, Becker, Rafter and Chang among others.

    Fed had Agassi, Nalbandian, Safin, Blake, Roddick, Davydenko, Hewitt among others.

    Personally I think Sampras' era had better grass players and clay players, but Fed's era had much better HC players.

    Discuss.
     
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    Not again......
     
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  3. CountryHillbilly

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    What's Fed's era? Which years?
     
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  4. P_Agony

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    2003 until now so far.
     
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  5. Id say Feds era is 2003/2004-present
    Sampras was 1991/1992-2000
     
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    I'd have to say both are a/b the same. Neither really had a consistently great rival on hard courts. Agassi was too up and down to consider him "consistently great", Roger and Andy have only played twice @ HC slams, doesn't Rafa also count as the same HC era, BTW?

    Yeah, I'd say a/b the same competition wise. Maybe this era has more depth, but that era was top heavy, so it evens out.
     
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  7. P_Agony

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    I haven't included Rara, Murray and Djokovic because they are only recently became great HC players, but in most of Fed's domination years they weren't. Maybe I should have included Djokovic because he's the first of the bunch to get to an HC slam final and beat Fed at an HC slam.
     
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  8. Id say that the competition was about the same , Sampras`s era had the bigger stars,more famous names, but level-wise the players in Petes and Rogers era is about the same.
     
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    Easily Federer has played in a much tougher era then pansy Sampras.
     
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  10. maximo

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    Pete had prime Agassi.

    I go with Sampras.
     
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    Agassi was better after 30 than he was before.
     
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  12. Absolutely, id say Agassis prime was 1999-2001,2003. He was a HC-monster back then, i loved to watch him play.
     
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    Don't forget former King Rafa, Murray and Djokovic! Any of these guys would crush any of Pete's competition on HC!:twisted:
     
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  14. No, they wouldnt, it would be very tough matches.
     
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    If you add those 3 to Federer's HC era, then along with Roddick, Nalby, Safin, Davy and Hewitt, it wins easily. However, Murray and Djokovic have been HX specialists only in the second part of Fed's career, and Nadal became an HC force just recently, so it wouldn't be fair to add them completley.
     
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  16. They are great players, but Kafelnikov,Agassi,Kuerten,Courier,Edberg,Becker were also very good players...If we look at it this way, add the men of Sampras era vs the men of Federers era, whos got the most HC-GS? That is the guys from Sampras`s era...
     
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    But according to fed fans, rafa is only a moon-balling, one-dimensional clay courter.....so maybe Rafa shouldn't be counted as a contender on HC just to legitimize the "strong" federer era.



    just my 2 cents...
     
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    That's because it was longer and Federer was a much more dominant HC player than Sampras was (which the former poll confirms).
     
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  19. I cant speak for all the Fed-fans but i personally think that Nadal is a very good HC-player. Far from the best, but still a good one.
     
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    Nadal has improved a lot as far as his HC game goes. He hits with more variety, slices the ball better, can hit flatter forehands. He'll still have trouble on the faster courts, but I'm sure we will see improvment on those as well.
     
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  21. Yeah, thats a good point...well well, what matters to me is that Fed stands alone at 15, the next time Fed plays Murray the referee can call out "-Fifteen-Love before the match has started:twisted:
     
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    I hope they meet again in the US Open final in a rematch of last year's final. It'd be interesting to see how Fed plays against Murray this time.
     
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  23. Absolutely, in a MS-semi or even a final, im worried about Feds chanses, in a Slam-final, i feel pretty confident...
     
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  24. It's great to be confident. :):):):)
     
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  25. Well yeah, if you are not confident in life people are gonna run over you.
     
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    Yeah, I guess Fed had it harder. ALthough Sampras can be proud of having Agassi against him.

    Roddick and Hewitt are good. Safin, Nalby and Blake are too inconsistent, and Davydenko...seriously :)

    But I think there is a case for Djokovic, Murray and the new improved hardcourt Nadal. They may be better competition than Roddick and Hewitt.

    Federer's era was 3-4 years. These 90s guys span over 10 years.
     
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    Nalby had a winning record over Fed for quite some time, and Davy can beat anyone on any given day, Safin has 2 HC slams in his pocket and Blake has a winning record over Nadal on HCs.
     
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  28. Cesc Fabregas

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    Agassi and Courier are better than any hardcourt rival in Federer's era so Sampras by far.
     
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    Nalby and Safin are very, very inconsistent. We have to factor that in. They may be more talented than many others, but have not performed on a high-level when it counted (except AO 05).

    Davydenko is not better Murray, Nadal, or Djokovic, or any of 90s hardcourters. Do we really need to discuss this? Blake has a winning record over old Nadal that hadn't made a HC semi.

    Nadal, Murray and Djokovic are definitely better than Davydenko, Blake or Nalby. And it's not entirely clear that they are inferior to Roddick and Safin, so I'll postpone the judgement until they reach their peak.
     
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    Jaime yzaga, why even have a poll? No one in today game could handle that guy.

    The term "competition" is misleading, the lesser player (pete) is guarenteed to have stronger competition.
     
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  31. P_Agony

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    Agassi was better after he came back, and this poll disagrees with you.
     
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    Just at last year's TMC, Davydenko destroyed Murray. He also destroyed Nadal last year in Miami. It's Federer he can't deal with.
     
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  33. Cesc Fabregas

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    Agassi's peak was USO 94 to USO 95 in which Pete played him at the AO 95 and USO 95.
     
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    Agassi 2000, 2001 was incredible.

    Just watch the AO match between Pete and Andre. Admire the beauty of his double hander. :twisted:
     
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  35. Time for bed! :)


    Only 10 more minutes on the computer.
     
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  36. P_Agony

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    Agassi was a beast on hard courts after his 30s.
     
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  37. Cesc Fabregas

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    Agreed. 00-02 Pete played Andre 3 times on hardcourts at majors whilst Andre was still playing very good tennis, Federer on the otherhand caught Andre 03 onwards when Andre got old.
     
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  38. P_Agony

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    Nah, Andre played some of his best tennis against Fed. But even if we don't count Andre, Fed had the better competition, including your hero Nadal.
     
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    No he didn't.

    Agassi was indeed getting old. His serve got worst after 03.
     
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    Federer has played Nadal once in a hardcourt slam and the other people in your list the likes of Nalbandian, Blake and Davydenko are nowhere near as good as Agassi and Courier.
     
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    I have to disagree with that.

    Either way, if you add Murray and Djokovic, Fed's HC era is clearly better.
     
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    Agassi, Courier, Becker, Rafter and Chang have slams compared to Nalbandian, Blake, Davy and Murray.

    Nadal has 1 HC slam and so does Djokovic, Hewitt and Roddick. But Chang has no HC slams.

    Safin has 2 though, but so does Rafter with 2 back-to-back usopen.

    But only Safin has stopped Federer on HC slams from 2004-2007 (what people call federer's best years). While Agassi and Rafter (just naming 2 from the list) have stopped Sampras in HC Slams.

    Also Blake has never reached a Grand Slam semi. Davy has Reached the USO Semi twice but never an AO semi.

    So Sampras's HC competition has more slams than Federer's and only 1 person has stopped federer in HC slams when he was playing his best. Sounds like a pretty big difference in HC competition if you ask me.
     
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    Federer's reign on hard courts did not begin until Agassi was 33 and 7 months old. Before that he was a bit factor on hard courts, not even making it past the round of 16 of a single hard court slam, and only 1 Masters final (which he lost to 32 year old Agassi). Agassi before 30 was rarely better than 33-35 year old Agassi which prime Federer faced. Only 1996-1998 Agassi was possibly worse.
     
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  44. grafselesfan

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    Murray did not become a hard court factor until July 2008. Djokovic not until March 2007. To date Federer's time as a huge hard court factor has been November 2003-currently. They were hardly much of contemporaries yet.
     
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    Let's fix your list a bit shall we.

    Fed had declining Agassi, Never won a slam Nalbandian, One slam wonder Safin, never reached a QF in a GS Blake.

    You can't compare these guys to Courir, Becker, Rafter and Chang.
     
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    Well Safin was a two slam wonder in fairness. :) He was a huge mental flake though. Blake has reached quarters of hard court slams, but never semis. The fact the list of opponent are shallow enough for his name to even come up already says it all.
     
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    I don't go by Federer's best years, he's still relevant today despite not being in his prime. Nadal has stopped Federer from winning an HC slam and so did Djokovic.
     
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  48. Cesc Fabregas

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    Blake being shown as a rival to Federer is a joke and sums up Federer's era. Blake has never been to a slam semi before even on his favourite hardcourt surface the guy just aint very good.
     
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    Funny you completley ignore Hewitt, who is a 2-time slam winner, and has reached the USO final more than once.
     
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  50. P_Agony

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    Calling Blake a joke is calling Nadal even a bigger joke. No need to explain why.
     
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