Federer's FO win is a real achievement - not a walk in the park

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  1. P_Agony

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    This thread is mainly for people like GameSampras who clearly think Fed's vicotry was nothing but a walk in the park.

    A walk in the park? Are you kidding me? I have never had so many heart aches in my entire life like this FO.

    Federer barely won his matches against Acasuso, Haas, and Delpo. He was taken to 5 TWICE and taken to 4 TWICE. He passed all the tests - he beat a great clayer and a crowd favorite in Monfils, he barely beat an on fire, non-choking Del Potro who was playing the best I have ever seen him play. He came back from 5-1 to win the 3rd set against Acasuso, and he basically faced match point against Tommy Haas.

    Federer's road to his FO title was anything but a walk in the park. It was one of the only times in his career he had to rely on his huge heart rather than his best tennis, because im most of the time he didn't find it.
     
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    way the state the obvious bro
     
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  3. P_Agony

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    Not obvious to the likes of GameSampras.
     
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  4. Telepatic

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    It wasnt walk in the park but still alot easier without having to face with Nadal/Murray/Novak.
     
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  5. P_Agony

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    Facing Del Potro on clay is easier than facing Djokovic and Murray? You either didn't watch the match or you are a huge Novak/Murray fan...
     
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    It should have been a walk in the park, but it was not. Fed showed some guts by rallying back from all those matches.
     
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    No big deal. We have all seen many tournies where the qtrs or semis end up being much more competitive than the finals. This was just another case in point.
     
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  8. maximo

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    Of course not, Djokovic waay better than him.
     
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    Also to all who say Fed had the easiest draw - that's simply not true. Federer is the one who faced the top seed who is not a top 4 player - that is Del Potro (#5).
     
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    Del Potro would have beaten Djokovic in straight sets by the way he played.
     
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    What are you talking about? Del Potro is an abosolute joke of a semi-finalist. If it was Djokovic, he would of won.
     
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    Not a chance in hell.
     
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    Sure...just that Djokovic didnt make it in the first place so your coulda woulda shoulda dosent count.
     
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    He had an easy draw and a joke of a finalist. Despite that he was really close to losing several times. But of course in the end it doesn't matter: winning a slam is always a unique achievement and luck is an integral part of the sport.
     
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    If you're saying Del Potro played a bad semi final, you obviously know nothing about tennis.
     
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  16. vtmike

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    Did you cry when Murray was eliminated by Gonzalez?
     
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    True, and tell Davydenko, Gonzales, Nadal and Ferrer about that joke finalist
     
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  18. P_Agony

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    Monfils, Del Potro and Haas is not an easy draw. And this joke of a finalist crushed Ferrer, Nadal, Davydenko and Gonzales - yes he's a real joke.
     
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    Djokovic would have won, Del Porto lost, who cares whether it took 5 sets.
     
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    So Nadal was defeated by a joke of a player? I think that's really disrespectful to Nadal...
     
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    If Del Potro would have played against Djokovic like he did against Federer, Djoko would have lost in straights, IMO.
     
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  22. Cesc Fabregas

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    Erm Djokovic is much better on clay than Del Potro.
     
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  23. shawn1122

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    Djokovic could not even get past kohlschreiber, you honestly think he had a chance against del potro? He would have been demolished by him and he would have likely retired in the third set because the beating would be too much for him to handle.
     
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  24. mandy01

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    yes,but Del Po was the better player at RG..
     
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  25. maximo

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    This is just a crazy statement.
     
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    Not at this year's french open no.
     
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    I'm pretty sure if it were nadal and soderling in the final, she would not be saying that.
     
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    Erm Soderling is much better on clay than Djokovic.
     
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  29. Cesc Fabregas

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    Great logic one player does better at one tournament than another player all of a sudden hes better.
     
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  30. Cesc Fabregas

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    I guess Wawrinka is better than Federer on clay then.
     
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  31. P_Agony

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    We don't really know that. Del Potro of today is a different player. He has wins over Murray on clay, over Nadal on hard, and he was very close of killing the EG dream for Fed. He was ON FIRE at the French Open, while Djokovic was so-so from the start.
     
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  32. P_Agony

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    Now that's what I call a good post.
     
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  33. mandy01

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    not the overall better player but the better performer in the GS which is thwe most important tourney of every suface..Agree or not Del Po played better than Novak at RG.Its the best I've seen him play on clay and he's improved a lot and still very young.
     
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  34. P_Agony

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    Del Potro was playing massive tennis. I seriously thought Fed was toast at some points in the match. Del Potro did not only played great tennis and served out of this world, he also didn't choke. He made Federer work really hard for his victory, and it makes sense Delpo cried after the loss - he knew he was so close.
     
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    That pretty much sums up the FO this year: Martin, Acasuso, Matthieu, Haas, Monfils, Del Potro, Soderling,....

    The Soderling who beat Nadal was a different guy from the one who was facing Fed. That is logical, because only in the final it dawns on a player that he might reach an incredible achievement. Before that, you have nothing to lose...

    Soderlings low percentage incredible winner producing machine had to turn against him one day...
     
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  36. shawn1122

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    This thread is about Federer's win at the FO THIS YEAR. In this tournament del potro was more of a competitor than djokovic because, however hard this is to beleive, djokovic played like ****.
     
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  37. ninman

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    Lol, it's funny that she doesn't understand that by saying that she's inadvertently dissing Nadal. Federer straight setted that man who beat Nadal in 4, if he's such a joke what does it say about Nadal?
     
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  38. Claudius

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    No grand slam victory is a walk in the park.
     
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  39. zagor

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    C'mon it's an insult to Nadal to say that Soderling is a joke,he beat some of the best claycourters on tour to reach the final.Yes Fed beat him easily in the final and part of that was due to Soderling's nerves but also due to the fact that Fed played a great match and has always been better at handling big powerful flat hitters than Nadal,tennis is about match-ups,people always seem to forget that.
     
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    If they had played at this years French the way Del Potro was playing Djokovic would have been spanked. Especialy seeing as he couldnt even get a set off an in form Kohlschreiber. Del Potro is improving so quickly, it is hard to say who he is better or worse than on a surface in general. Djokovic isnt a special clay courter though, 2 wins over top 50 players lifetime at the French, an 0-3 head to head with David Ferrer on clay, an 0-6 head to head with Nadal on clay, 1 Masters title only on clay. Djokovic has only beaten Roger once on clay and Roger played a terrible match (I dont like either player at all so easy for me to objective in this case) and still choked away a set, break with points for a second break in the 2nd lead. If Roger played as poorly as he did vs Djokovic in that match against the Del Potro onslaught in the semis he would have been cooked in 90 minutes.
     
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  41. luckyboy1300

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    Djokovic=3rd round; lost to Kohlschreiber who lost to Robredo who lost to Del Potro

    Del Potro=semis

    semis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3rd round

    i wonder what type of logic people are using these days?
     
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    I don't like it but I think Del Potro is catching up to Novak playing wise(Novak still has a big lead in points),If Novak doesn't wake up soon,he'll be in danger of getting passed by Delpo this year.

    It's amazing how fast is Del Potro improving each time I see him play.At the FO this year it was like playing against a Karlovic with a consistant and powerful baseline game,quite scary.He's beefing up the speed of his serve and because of his height he can generate some amazing angles with it.

    Novak still has him in the movement department though,big time.
     
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    and to note: this slam became the hardest instead of the easiest for roger to win. in the past he's had to survive 1 or 2 opponents playing way over their level: now we had acasuso, mathieu, haas, and del potro, losing 6 sets along the way. i believe that out of the top 4 only roger and rafa could have survived them all.
     
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    Nice way to join the troll army. Nadal beaten by a joke of a finalist makes him a joke of a player too, no?
     
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    Completely correct, I think Del potro would have beaten Djoko or Murray, he has beaten them before, look he they lost to.
     
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    It is on the most true statements in this thread, he lost in straights sets to Kohlschreiber ––––> who lost in 4 sets against Robredo ––––> who lost in Straight Sets against Del Potro ––––> Who lost in 5 Sets to Federer Champion ––––> What is your logic.
     
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    I agree...DelPo is much more consistent and reliable...
     
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    It should have been a walk in the park but it was not, firstable I would like to say that I am a Federer Fan but the truth is the truth, you are talking like a troll.

    1) Acassuso: chocked after his small injury with his ankle in the third set, with this event he found an excused to hand the match to Federer in a silver platter.

    2) Paul-Henri Mathieu: No body mentions him but you can see Federer's RG pressure against him.

    3) Hass: Simply chocked at the end of the match, if he hadn't chocked Federer would not be a champion today.

    4) Monfils: No a match for Federer, not mentally ready.

    5) Del Potro: Federer knew this was his chance to the final, they both played great until Del Potro lost lost some stamina starting the 4th set, and eventually lost easily in the last 2 sets.

    6) Soderling: Federer simply was ready for his moment and Soderling didn't believe he could win his first GS.

    What I am trying to say with this is that Federer had a lot of pressure on his shoulders in all those matches specially after finding out Nadal lost against sundering, in all those matches he didn't play nothing close to his best, only maybe against Del Potro who actually got tyred at the end that is why he lost, if he had played close to his best then the matches would have really been a walk in the park, exept maybe against Del Potro because I think he played god on that match closer to his best.

    Federer more likelly would have beaten in 4 or 5 sents the likes of Djokovic and specilly murray in the RG clay, He could have beeten Rafa in the Final if he played the way he did against Sonderling but well we all know federer would have had so much trouble against Nadal not because Nadal who had already been beaten by Fed in the Madrid Final but more because of Federer's mentality against Nadal.
     
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    Ok so I guess the consensus here is that Djokovic is the true RG champion because he would've beaten Fed had he been able to win the 5 matches required to meet Fed in the semi's (he could only win 2 matches, 1 of which was by retirement). I guess Fed can't prove he truly deserved the title since he didn't face Djoker, so the true victor in this tournament is Djoker. What a shame for Fed.
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    Um...no he's not. P_Agony is right. Fed's road to the title was no walk in the park. Perhaps on paper it was supposed to be, but it wasn't. Since when was playing two 5 setters, one of which he had to come from two sets down to win, a walk in the park. Roger showed a lot of heart and fight during this tournament. As far as his opponents "choking", I'm not denying that his opponents got tight, but fed definitely played better when it mattered.
     
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