Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by defensive4, Sep 30, 2006.
has any pro tried taking pace off the ball
Santoro got destroyed the last few times he played Fed.
The only way to beat Federer is to hit tons of topspin to Federer's backhand and the surface has to be slow.
It is SO much more complicated than that, Nadal Freak. If Nadal wasn't such a fighter and was not one of the fastest guys on tour, Federer would smoke him, topspin or not.
Yeah but having a major topspin shot is a prequisite to playing Federer. I don't see anyone beating Federer by overpowering him.
Marat Safin, Australian Open.
Safin was like a backboard in that match as I remember. Very similar to Nalbandian.
You just can't let him so easily get the upperhand in a rally, and I think its as simple as that. He can only come up with incredible shots for so long in a match. Safin pressured him with deep, fast balls, Nalbandian kept it deep and counterpunched, and Nadal hits very heavy and can make up for some short balls by being so fast. I just watched Federer destroy Wang at the Open. Wang was simply rallying crosscourt on a lot of shots - no pace and mid court balls. That won't do. You can't clay court Federer (Nadal is the exception because hes obviously special). Hewitt rallies and simply gets destroyed.
Back to the OP - Hewitt does this and gets spanked, as does Santoro.
You can clay court Federer's backhand but stay away from his forehand with weak shots. Safin was consistently hitting deep and keeping Federer out of attacking position. He also was very consistent which is key against Federer. You can't make many mistakes.
Good statements around this thread, but failed to mention how Nadal's lefty arched topspin spins high to Federer's backhand side, a high backhand that is tough to hit.
Yeah true. The topspin also goes away from Federer instead going to Federer which is the case for right handed players.
But it's predictable. Federer should be able to read it and figure out a way to deal with it. Everything Nadal does is very predictable. I believe in Rome he served to the same spots almost every time. I think to Federer's backhand.
I thought this was going to be a thread about what Federer eats.
Ja, what does Fedi eat? He eats POWER. Next qvestion, please.
That threadtitle fished me in, too.
I remember when a young Fedi lacked the patience for slower tennis.
Seems like a long time ago.
Nalbandian and Safin have beaten him with a good mix of backhand down the lines and the aforementioned backboard (pong-ish) strategy. Berdych and Baghdatis (and Roddick) have pushed him with power. Nadal with the heavy top and the incredible intensity.
OK this is what Fed actually eats (according to his recent blog in Tokyo):
"I love Japanese food a lot and I eat it anywhere I go as it seems to be the 'in' food. It's healthy food with a lot of rice and vegetables. Over the last few years I started to eat fish and meat, so I can enjoy sushi and sashimi as well."
i would be interested to see how a volleyer does against him. too bad there aren't any good ones around anymore ;o\. is it just to hard to approach nowdays?
True. And Henman used to do great against him.
Now their matches are just the stuff of highlight reels. They seem to meet early in a lot in Slams. Unfortunate for Tiger Tim.
How do you figure? Safin won in 5 sets, one of them a tie breaker, and the final set going 9-7. That doesn't sound like being "overpowered" to me.
I think he meant it loosely, Roger was getting blown about at times in that match when Marat managed to set off some incredible backhands (and forehands). But obviously just trying to outhit Roger is an incredulous idea.
It was just his moments of inspiration combined with the aforementioned consistency through (most) of the match that allowed him to gain an edge in the match. Especially in the fourth set tiebreaker.
Actually, I think it takes really fast surface and top players
like 2005 Master's final. On very fast surfaces, his unbreakable
defense become somewhat vulnerable.
There is no "fast" surface since 2003. I consider Federer as
medium surface player. His country is neutral and his game
is neutral. In 90's standard, he is a medium slow surface player...
Wow you are so wrong it isn't even funny. Federer dominates the faster surfaces because not only he has a remarkable return of serve but his own serve he gets easy free points. His backhand is less vulnerable on a fast surface as well. The only person that a faster surface could hurt Federer is Sampras at his prime and even than Federer was able to beat at Wimbledon before Federer became dominant.
It seems like the players who can challenge Federer the most have one thing in common. They can all do damage on the left side of their body -- This means having a big backhand for righties (safin, nalbandian, murray, baghdatis), or a big forehand for lefties (nadal). I've seen players do so much damage to federer by hitting the heavy lefty forehand crosscourt, or cracking a big backhand down the line for righties. Watch the Aus Open final and see how many points Baghdatis won by ripping the two hander up the line. Federer has no where near the ability someone like Pete Sampras had on running forehands, and most times this big backhand up the line will result in a weak reply from Fed.
I know it could sound so wrong.
Federer's game is very neutral. IMHO, his game suit best on medium
speed surface and can also do well on very slow and fast courts.
Again, the word "fast" is relative term. Compared to 90's grass and carpet surface,
current Wimbledon grass and US Open hard courts are "slower".
Relatively speaking, these are now "medium" speed court.
We do not know how Federer would play on truely fast courts.
Because he started his dominance in 2003 when US Open and Wimbledon got much much slower.
This is era of slow surface, relatively speaking.
Federer and Nadal arrived as 2 dominant players of this era.
I classify both of them as relatively "slow" surface player if you
consider them in longer history of tennis..
The only person I remember that almost beat Federer by power was Roddick a few years back at Wimbledon. Roddick was serving like 150 mph in that match but couldn't sustain that. It seems like Federer prefers players that hit hard. Blake is an example of that. There isn't surface in 90's that is fast enough to give Federer problems. Federer is an underrated server as well so the faster the surface the more advantage Federer has with his serve and he can volley well though he doesn't do it a lot. I can't believe I'm defending Federer but you are only speculating what a very fast surface may do to Federer and I have to disagree.
You can't classify Federer into any one category. If you play him fast, he will match you stroke for stroke until you break down. Play him slow, he'll step in and rip the forehands past you. It's interesting that other than Nadal, all of the guys that give Fed trouble from time to time have very solid two-handers. Safin, Nalbandian, Agassi, Baghdatis, Murray. The two-hander down-the-line is really a perfect shot. Against Federer it is never a winner, but if you hit it well enough, it can open up the court to hit to the other corner. That is also never a winner against Fed...but it gets you closer to winning the point...
Safin hit several down the line winners in his last victory over him
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