Federer's Four Slam Margin

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  1. Kirijax

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    Before the US Open, I thought that if Nadal wins this tournament, then he will go on to break Federer's record. I definitely believe that now. By the end of 2016, Nadal will be the greatest of all time. And I'm not a Nadal fan. I was rooting for Djokovic, Murray before he lost but Nadal is just to good.
     
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  2. Chico

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    Federer's record is safe. This is Nadal's swan song. He is done winning slams. Novak and Murray have the game to stop him. This is clear after yesterday when Novak did't lose to Nadal, but beat himself.
     
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  3. cjs

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    "beat himself" is a euphemism for "choke".
     
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    Sure call it "choke" if you want. The point is, it was what Djokovic did that made the difference between winning or losing, not what Nadal did.
     
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  5. aldeayeah

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    He had 4 slam finals against not-Fedole (2005 RG, 2010 RG, 2010 WB, 2013 RG), but he beat Fed in 2005 RG and Nole in 2013 RG in the semis.

    So it's either 4 or 2, depending on how you count.
     
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  6. aldeayeah

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    He beat each in the "wrong" one though ;-)
     
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    Gosh you must be desperate. I can imagine you walking around in your room with the same expression on your face as your avatar's, repeating the quote above to yourself over and over again. At night , murmeling it constantly in your sleep and when you wake up, squizing yourself because you want to get out of your nightmare. Too bad, reality is hard world to live in.
     
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  8. mike danny

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    now he needs to beat djokovic at the AO to set things right. then he would defeat djoker the best hardcourt player at both hardcourt slams while not getting defeated at RG.

    nadal is destroying his rivals mentally.
     
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  9. heninfan99

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    It won't hold. Nadal has 3 French in him easily and another Open.
     
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    While a 4 slam margins seems thin right now, because Nadal is winning everything or almost, I don't think this will last forever. Everyone is talking about 4 slams as if it were a walk in a park, but it's clearly not. It's like in 2011, Djokovic was winning everything left and right and it seemed he was bound to surpass Nadal in total slam count in a few years, fast forward 2 years later, Djokovic is still at the top of the game, but he's nowhere near as dominant as he once was. As Nadal said himself before, players have hot streak, but players can't keep this insane level forever, and that will happen to him too.
    Nadal has got a lot of mileage and will eventually be beaten at the French Open just like Federer was beaten at Wimbledon/US Open.
     
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  11. The_Order

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    Hahaha lol.

    Although, abmk would argue vehemently that Fed is ahead of Novak at the AO still due to him having 4 titles and 10 consecutive SF appearances there.
     
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    Huge Federer fan, and a realist (in my opinion) as well.

    After yesterday, I don't think the record will hold. While Nadal's dominance on clay may start declining, it's at such a high level that I can see him continuing to win at Roland Garros for many more years. He may not win every single one, but I think he can win it even when he reaches mid 30's.
     
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    this is the closest Nadal has ever been to Federer's slam total since Nadal's been winning slams

    Aside from the moment when Nadal has 1 slam to Fed's 4 slams (wimby 2005ish time)
     
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    it will be very exciting to see what he can do.. I will root for him to destroy history and dazzle us all in doing it..
     
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  15. 4 slams is a lot.

    2014 will be the key year.

    If Federer sorts his back out, the target could move further away.

    After Federer won his 16th most people thought he would ho on and win 20 slams.
     
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    Didn't want to read through all these but once I saw people complaining about how 8 out of his 13 are on clay....ridiculous.

    Federer has 7 on grass and only 1 on clay....why don't people say anything about that?

    Hell, Sampras not only NEVER won a slam on clay, he never made it to the final, and only made the SF once - and people considered him the greatest when 7 of his 14 were at one tournament.

    A major is a major is a major.

    People don't like that Nadal wins on clay, but you ask any ATP Player, they would tell you how hard it is to win 7 matches in a GS on clay - then to do it 8 times. Insane.
     
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    Um, no.

    The point is that Federer also has 5 USOs and 4 AOs, so his slam count isn't skewed towards one specific surface or tournament.

    If you want to use words like "ridiculous" and "insane", you might want to direct them at those who have conniptions because they fail to grasp that.
     
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    EPOnymous ;)
     
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    You are assuming Federer has stopped winning slams....for Sure Nadal will have the record in the end....but it all depends if Federer can keep on baiting Nadal away!
     
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  20. Finesse4sum

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    Federer is done winning slams. Nadal can reach 17 but I dont see 3 more French Open's in his future. I suppose only time will tell if Nadal has found some sort of "extra" youth that will allow him to make 17 or more slams beyond the next 2 years.
     
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    LOL, wut ? nadal's win over djoker at RG 13 was impressive because djokovic played good tennis and fought really well, but the one at the USO ? roddick in the USO 2007 QF for instance was much better. Roddick at USO 2006 was better (though not by a big margin ).....hewitt in USO 2005 was clearly better.

    djoker played utterly mediocre in sets 1 and 4 and let the 3rd one slip away.

    Again , somewhat similar thing for djoker's performance at wimbledon final this year. He played utterly mediocre. Roddick/Hewitt in their prime would've easily won vs him as well ....

    That sort of play is so not top-tier competition.

    you need to see how the players played as well, not just the names when considering competition ....
     
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  22. furryballs

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    how many slams has nadal caught up in the last 2 years?
     
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  23. furryballs

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    3 years?......................................
     
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  24. aldeayeah

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    The gap was at its widest (10 slams) after 2010 AO, and has gradually shrunk since.
     
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    elaborate please
     
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  26. furryballs

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    ok ok.......nads has caught up 5 in 4 years.
     
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    I have no doubt that Rafa will eventually exceed Federer's 17 grand slam count. Also, when you take into account Rafa's four Davis cup titles and his Olympic medal (something Federer lacks) his career achievement is already very close to Rogers, if not better (more versatile).
     
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  28. Fedinkum

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    One would think Nadal has at least a couple more FOs. Unless Fed pick something up in 2014, his Slam record is looking a bit shaky.
     
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    I am not in "Federer camp" but I am confident it will hold. Nadal is winning 0-1 slams in 2014 - he was never able to have two consecutive multislam seasons and he will not start that at 28. After that it will be too late for him to catch up. So at the best Nadal will finish with 15 slams - i.e. give him one possible swan song slam after 2014, but that is it. Which is a great achievement indeed, but he is no GOAT.
     
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  30. aldeayeah

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    After AO 2010, Fed has won 1 major (WB 2012), and Nadal has won 7 majors (RG 2010, WB 2010, USO 2010, RG 2011, RG 2012, RG 2013, USO 2013).

    So the gap, that reached 10 majors after AO 2010, has gradually shrunken to 4 majors.
     
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    Agreed. But I see two main scenarios.

    1. Nadal will continue current momentum taking RG and 1-2 other GS titles in 2014. This will end up finishing him physically and forcing another 6+ months break where at closer to 30 with cumulating knee issues he won't be able to return to GS champion level regardless of surface.

    2. He'll lose his current momentum as the pattern has been, but will continue to be a major force on clay for a few years yielding 1-2 more RG's until eventual decline. Not that I believe Nadal to "decline", but rather "fail" physically.

    Nadal @ <100% physical performance is a punching bag for the top 100. He can probably perform at 100% with clearly less than 100% health with proper meds, but there's no compensating with tennis skills when that physical performance dips permanently below 100%. It won't be pretty and we've already seen first glimpses into it.
     
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  32. aldeayeah

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    whoa, slow down buddy, I think there's an extra 0 in there
     
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    Yeah, could be. I may have heard wrong when Jerzy & Steve were talking on top of each other...
     
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    Funny how everyone is oh so freaking sure that Nadal will win the RG title for the upcoming 3-4 years while he was as good as beaten by Djokovic this year and would probably have been beaten by him in 2011 if Federer didn't beat Djokovic there.

    Look, there certainly is a chance that Nadal will win 17 grand slams but it doesn't have to happen if the other players (Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka, Del Potro, even Federer, and the young guys) stop messing around and start playing at their full potential. Djokovic has no business losing to Nadal multiple times in a row, Murray on a good day shouldn't be having too much trouble with Nadal either. Federer was beating Nadal on hard courts and taking sets off of him on clay just 1-2 years ago.

    If everyone just stopped folding in every match because they're scared of the loudly grunting baboon on the other side of the court he won't win too many slams
     
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  35. Chico

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    Don't worry, Djokovic will take care of business in 2014.
     
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  36. aldeayeah

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    Why Jerzy?
     
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    Wrong. Nadal controlled that entire match, and if not for his decline, would have won it in straights. The only reason Cvac was even in that match is because Nadal took his foot off the gas. I think you need to stop recreating history.

    Why not? Federer is supposed to be GOAT yet he has lost multiple times in a row to Nadal many times over his career.

    I'm sure Andy would find that comment hysterical considering he has struggled with Nadal more times than not and on all surfaces.

    Keeping it Klassy as always, Fed fanatics. I think you belong on that Fed worshiping site Ruan's Fed blog. Your bs comments will be more appreciated there in the little Fed obsessed bubble they have created for themselves. As a matter of fact, I bet you already post there anyway. Be gone, hater.
     
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    D'oh. My bad. I meant Lukas of course.
     
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    Seriously... is this your level of understanding the sport and especially the psychology of it? Do you really think ANYONE in a GS final thinks "Gee, I already got this in the bag. I better ease up so I won't be too tired when I enter that non-major in two weeks time!"

    Or could it be that it's virtually impossible to maintain that momentum when playing a worthy opponent? Just like in all sports: You do something that works and move ahead in the match. Then you're the one that has something to lose and the opponent changes his game a little to make it more effective and regains momentum with more relaxed and aggressive play. And the cycle continues. Or ends. But in a competitive match it's always there at least once to some extent.
     
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  40. Incognito

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    As long as Nadal is ahead of djerkovic in slam tally, it's all good. Nadal has more than double the amount of djerkovic slams, so everything is great. Fed is a worthy GOAT. Fed can be GOAT for all eternity, it's okey for some of us Nadal fans. bye! :oops:
     
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    I feel you man. :lol:
    I used to feel about Humbalito in that exact same way. But he's slowly growing on me. :shock: He still kinda irritates me with some of his mannerisms but he's really not as bad as I once thought. I will never be a fan of his brand of tennis but off court he does seem like a decent bloke.
     
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    Just like at the FO 2008 when Nadal had a double break in the third and started to relax and rolAIDS took it to the breaker lol. Nadal got tired after the thrashing he gave in the 1st and 2nd sets, little did he know rolAIDS had more in the tank than he had, and was only acting tired at the end of the second set lol :shock:
     
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    Djokovic is like one of those video game bosses that morph into a more powerful form when you're about to beat them...
     
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    I also have eased up on him and am starting to like him off court a lot, and even a little on court. Although I'll never get used to that forehand swing.. But I don't know, I wonder if it doesn't really affect his opponents. Imagine playing a 5 hour match against a muscular gorilla-resembling being, who's making loud animalistic grunting noises EVERY shot and is often glaring at you in an intimidating way. While not showing any signs of fatigue or letting up from the start until the end of the match. On the one hand you'd think pro's know how to deal with it but it might just get to them a tiny bit which causes them to lose the "mental battle".
     
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    you don't even believe any of this b/s so why should we?
     
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    Nadal won't catch Federer. The Spaniard will end up with 15 slams.

    Poor Sampras though, overtaken by two players in a decade.
     
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    He won't be 28 until the second week on the FO! He may very well win no slams, but he may very well have a good year winning 1-2! I think Rafa will play through 2016, if his body is able. He'll want to win clay gold!
     
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    lololol. As for the USO final, please people stop saying that Nadal was "in control". Djokovic did not play that great, and was clearly dictating play whenever he was on. Nadal is great at outlasting people, but the idea that he blows the top guys off the court is a little far.

    Nadal will probably catch it. He is too strong mentally and physically to fade into oblivion.
     
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    Will RIO definitely be on clay?
     
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    All the top guys dictate when they're 'on'. He who is 'on' longer wins the match.
     

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