Federer's Four Slam Margin

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  1. RidAH

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    Except this is not true for Rafa. He always hits the court. He doesn't create winners by himself (i.e. shotmaking). His winners come off of opponent shanks and poor returns and only occasionally a 6-10 hit pattern (usually after a decent serve). Plus also an occasional passing of a player at the net. Which also is not the initiative of the point winner.

    So it's never really about Rafa. He just retrieves and gets it back. The opponent is the one who needs to be 'on'. Rafa is just constant Rafa. When Nole was on, he was hitting flat winners an armslength away from Rafa. When he hit them he was dictating, when he missed 'Rafa was dictating'. Rafa's choice? Hardly! The thing is that Nadal's consistency (= risk free style) puts the bar usually higher than most people can stay above long enough in a match with a more traditional, more risky style. So he just grinds it out. Ugly and effective.
     
  2. MichaelNadal

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    Lol it's always up to his opponent? :lol: How many guys even hit harder than Rafa? You couldn't get one of his shots back. Nadal is a legend. It's about time you haters just deal with it.


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  3. aldeayeah

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    It was almost definitely going to be in hard court a few months ago.
     
  4. RidAH

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    Harder doesn't mean faster. Rafa puts the power he can produce in the spin, not speed. More spin equals less risk and less speed & winners. Maybe more UE's by opponent, but ending most points in UE's is not entertaining tennis.

    I'm pretty sure I couldn't get his shots back, but I'm positive I could at least hit more of them than other top players. Relying on UE's by the opponent is one definition of not dictating gameplay yourself. No matter how hard you can make it for the opponent, it's still all about the opponent's ability to take that shot. He has a chance.

    In a competitive match, the player that finishes most points holds the initiative to decide the outcome of the match. If you can hit it, you always have a chance of winning it. When you win with winners (or FE's) you don't give that initiative or chance to the other player. That's why it's never about Rafa.
     
  5. RidAH

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    Not being a top player I obviously meant "than the shots of other top players"

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  6. MichaelNadal

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    Rafa has been hitting winners like crazy this summer.
     
  7. bullfan

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    Is the pope from Argentina?
     
  8. moonballs

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    Yes Nadal has produced a lot of winners in the summer hard court season. Maybe next year he runs out of the winners and dip into his endless supply of moonballs.
     
  9. mandy01

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    This is utter BS. The major count metric was popularized NOT by Roger or his fans but Sampras who was determined to set the record he thought no one would break for a long time.
     
  10. timnz

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    How do you figure?

    How do you figure that given that Federer was younger getting to 13 Slams than Nadal? Then after that was in the final of the next 4 winning two of them (only missing the Calendar Grand Slam by two sets)?
     
  11. Ajosin

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    Nadal does do damage with his shots. He'll push you back and wide leading to an eventual winner once you are far out of position. Only way out of this is to hit out of your confort zone and go for low percentage winners. You may think the match is on your racquet b/c it was you who hit that outstreched forehand you banged into the net, but it is Nadal who is your puppetmaster. Only way to break the strings is to for broke. Good luck.
     
  12. bullfan

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    Will Rio be using the same courts that will be used in the Olympics?
     
  13. aldeayeah

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    Don't think so, the Olympic tennis venue isn't finished yet, they're reusing some existing venue.

    Wikipedia says:

    I imagine Rio 2016 (ATP 500) will already be held in the Olympic venue, on clay, and the Olympics will be on hardcourt, but who knows (it's pretty trivial to switch surfaces).
     
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    Sure Nadal can get to 17 or 18 but i doubt it given that his play is a LOT based on his physics. He is 27 years old, hes got a knee that can go wrong again and the fact that he is geting older.

    And what does that mean? He gets slower, less powerfull and on and on, you guys know how the body reacts when getting older. He will not be able to defend the shots as he is doing know. Then it will be hard for him to play for example, nole who is much better offensivaly.

    So the coming two years will be decisive for him if his goal is to get past Federer. He needs to pick up 4 Grand slams coming two years, and i doubt that when tennis Today is so competitive and the fact that nadal has to get past either djokovic, Federer or murray in order to win, because we all know that they want to win too.

    Just My two cents. What do you think?
     
  15. aldeayeah

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    My reason agrees with you, but Nadal.has said "screw you, no?" to my reason many times before, so who knows.
     
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    While you're probably right, you are wishing for this to happen, which is pretty crappy if you ask me. This place has really soured me on Fed fans in general, I can tell you that much.
     

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