Federer's last year

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  1. Ginger ninja

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    There is no way someone like Federer is going to be able to handle not playing in grand slam finals. He's an egomaniac and, Wimbledon aside (possibly), has no chance of anymore slams. He's slowing down and his footwork is nowhere like as good as it was. I can't see him dropping to seeding 5-8 and not calling it a day.
     
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  2. jokinla

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    He's doesn't have to worry about dropping to 5, he's currently 2, and Ferrer isn't climbing above him.
     
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  3. ledwix

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    What is your title implying? That Federer's last year is 2013? It will be hard for him to drop to 5 to 8 when he is making grand slam semis on average. Ferrer won 7 titles last year and still could not break into the top 4 that year even with Nadal out for so long.

    It amazes me, the absolutist nature of tennis fandom statements on these forums. There are lots of rounds played in a match, momentum shifts, mental gaffes, etc. Federer has the experience/intangibles to pull off a 7-6 set win while playing crappy, as we saw multiple times yesterday. Yet somehow a tough five-set loss against the younger player in a semifinal means he will never win a slam again.

    Federer would have won no slams after 2008 and Nadal none after 2009 if they had mindsets like yours.
     
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    I knew threads like this would be started after this morning's match. Federer competed very well this morning, and could have won the match with the flip of a coin. The fact that he came back to win that 4th set shows a lot by itself. I agree that his chances of winning another major other than Wimbledon are not great, but if he can still make the semis of them and get to the finals or win Wimbledon, there's no reason he can't play 3-4 more years. The only question is if he wants to.
     
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  5. dominikk1985

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    as long as he is regularly reaching semis and some finals I think it's not a bad thing to continue. that means on a good day he can still win a slam.

    however if he starts to drop out earlier with regularity he should call it a career
     
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    I love Roddick's quote about this.

    “If I win one, it’s like career appreciation day. Then if I lose one, it’s like we should take him out in the field and shoot him in the head.”
     
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    Besides the fact that A-Rod is adorable, it also never ceases to impress me that the most vitriolic of these statements come from fans that do little more than sit on their butts ad infinitum in front of the TV.

    I'm no tenista, but I was a state-ranked HS athlete and danced in a national company. I overtrained yesterday -- we really worked hard -- and as I was kind of doubled over in pain post-workout a friend reminded me that it was pretty much nothing compared to what the current professional athletes go through.



    Did people see the picture of Serena's ankle that she tweeted?

    :shock: :shock: :shock:

    There's no way I'd go through what she goes through. And despite that they get very well-compensated for it, they go through it to entertain us.

    Haters need to take a seat.
     
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  8. Fedex

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    I've been having this argument with people about why should Federer retire for the past 3 or 4 years now.
    I remember Federer experimenting with his game at Toronto 2010, I think it was, playing a more aggressive shorter point game and honing that style for longevity.
    Well it's worked and he's here to stay IMO for another couple years at least.
    Won Wimbledon 2012 beating Djokovic and Murray, WTF final, took Murray to 5 sets at AO 2013, still beating practically everyone else with ease.
    And I think he's enjoying his tennis.
    He can still give Djokovic and Murray a run for their money. They need to be on top form to beat him.
     
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  9. Ginger ninja

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    My point was not intended as any great negative comment on federer. He's had an unbelievable career and possibly the GOAT. My question is more, if you are used to winning absolutely everything, at what point does reaching the semi final cease to do it for you. Realistically, he's not beating lance or Andy again in majors, and if nadal comes back to anything like top form, he's become the David ferrer of the top 4. Hard to take if you're the GOAT. Borg couldn't even take being overtaken by McEnroe.
     
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  10. Povl Carstensen

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    Well it is one of the reasons he has surpassed Borg.
     
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    Federer is going to stick around until the next Olympic because he wants another try to win singles Gold. If he wins he will retire happy having attained all his goals. And if he doesn't win, he will retire with the unfilled dream of having won everything possible except the Olympic singles title.


    Right now ranking doesn't mean much to him.
     
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    If they make the courts a little quicker at Wimby again, Fred will be a very good chance.

    Even the 3 roadrunners in the top 4 won't be able to sustain 40 shot rallies on a quick grass court.
     
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    The guy turning 32 is currently losing to 2 people on the planet only. How is that not good enough escapes me.
     
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  14. Ginger ninja

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    You're missing my point.

    When you are used to winning everything and being nr 1 year after year, getting beaten by even one guy has to hurt, never mind 2. If nadal comes back, he's likely to be nr 4 - the guys a winner and a competitor and he will never win another major. That's enough to send champions into retirement usually.
     
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    I know he says ranking dont matter but if he wants to win slams he needs to be in the top 2 ,i dont see him beating murray and novak back to back to win slams anymore and when(if) nadal returns its only going to get tougher if he is seeded 3 or 4
     
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  16. Povl Carstensen

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    Perhaps one should count ones blessings. Perhaps you could learn something from it.
    You don't know that.
     
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  17. ark_28

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    I actually think the fact that Federer was clearly not at his best (obviously it's harder to find that level consistently now) but still took the match to 5 when he was outplayed for the majority of the match!

    He isn't the favourite to win a slam this year but he's right in there as you say consistently making semis it wouldn't take much to happen for him to win one as long as he feels he can win I am sure he will keep playing!
     
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  18. Ginger ninja

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    I'm not the one with umpteen grand slams.
    Federer is finished as a slam winning force. I'm afraid that's pretty clear.
     
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  19. Povl Carstensen

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    Exactly. And you are not the one doing a sport he loves at the highest of levels travelling the world with his family.
    You don't know that.
     
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  20. zagor

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    No doubt, he's still in the mix.

    However, if he wants to do win a slam this year he'll need to serve much better, serve is the most important shot in tennis as Fed and Novak found out last year when they lost to Isner at DC and IW respectively.
     
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    Federer is just about the most famous sportsman on the planet, and I think he knows that he owes tennis a lot, and will continue to play for a long time in front of adoring fans and help continue to grow tennis as a sport. His value to tennis is impossible to calculate, I hope he plays and plays and plays.
     
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  22. jones101

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    Federer loves the game, still winning big titles, regularly does deep in tournaments, enjoys the travelling, and make around $50million per year (20% from tennis).

    He has been in the YE top 3 since 2003!

    Plus he is respected by EVERY crowd he plays in front of.

    Why would someone give up some thing like that.
     
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    The last 2 posts in this thread make the most sense to me.
     
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  24. RajFederer

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    he should play for another 3 years and atleast help us get rid of murray nole boring slam finals..
     
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  25. Federer20042006

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    Federer has long since ceased to beat everyone regularly. I think he's made peace with it. His goal is to stick around and compete, hoping to collect a slam once in a blue moon to extend the record as far as he can before he calls it quits.
     
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    This.

    Plus he's consistently in the final four of nearly every tournament he plays, which equates to a top 4 ranking. And even then, he's still getting his W's against Nole and Muzz.
     
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    If he truly was an egomaniac he would have retired before his 2012 Wimbledon win....maybe when he lost to Novak in the 2010 US open.
     
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    Federer will be in the top 3 for the next 10 months AT LEAST. Nadal is too far behind and he's only starting to get back on tour.

    Ferrer, Berdych, Tsonga, you name it, are NOT gonna be higher than Federer, probably ever again.
     
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    Thread Fail.

    Fed is still making $40-50 mil offcourt. As long as he doesn't start losing to Ryan Harrison in the 2nd or 3rd round he'll keep playing or losing R16s at back to back slams - and barring injury that's not happening any time soon. Losing SF to Murray in 5 is hardly a crushing loss.

    And he is the reigning Wimbledon champ. I think winning #8 will be his motivation for 2 or 3 yrs, while playing a minimal schedule.

    He'll almost certainly lose the #2 ranking at some time this yr to Murray, and depending what Nadal does, could drop to 4.
     
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  30. jigar

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    What if he wants to play some more because he loves to compete? I would like to play against good players even at rec level, I bet he would like to have some as well.
     
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    ark this post almost made me cry amazing post !
     
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    I'm crying right now.
     
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    As long as Federer is still motivated and playing he has a chance to win another slam. Obviously since he is older his chances diminish but he took prime Murray to five sets at the AO (Federer's second worst slam) and he defeated both prime Djokovic and Murray at Wimbledon last year. You can never write a great champion off completely.
     
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    Federer could be in a body cast and Ferrer would never get ahead of him in the rankings. There is that much of a gap between their talents.
     
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    It's not like WE are saying "He should retire", at least not me, but it's sad to see him lose often because of being worn out.

    We know what he can do, but when he's tired it's frustrating and sad. I mean this guy has beat the crap out of his body for how many years? How many tournaments? Your nervous system can only handle it for so long.

    Fed is a hero to many, hard to watch him lose matches he should win, see him totally lose his serve, high unforced errors, so it's US that it upsets.

    Yea he makes millions every few months, great lifestyle, he should do whatever he wants, but for fans it's like watching Ali getting beat up by Larry Holmes. He's now just equal with the top guys, he doesn't dominate anymore.

    Interested that Aggassi played his best tennis AFTER 29, won what 5 GS's. He changed his style, trained and got strong, stood back farther on serve return (something Fed should look into).

    These guys just get burned out quick, the slow courts they have to run much more than in the past, and they just burn out, look at Nadal, what 27 and he might be out of it.
     
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  36. Povl Carstensen

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    But he is nr 2 in the world, just reached the semi of AO, is the holder of Wimbledon, so please take it easy. Anyway it is really totally his desicion
     
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    Not good enough.

    Most poasters in the Troll Kingdom could do better with proper coaching and endorsements.
     
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  38. Sentinel

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    When the only interesting thing that happened in a slam final is a feather dropping on court then you sure need to get rid of the "birds of a feather" playing :D :D

    edit: in the USO i recall it was a chair getting blown off court *wink*
     
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    If he is motivated he ll still be around but i dont really know what could motivate him at this point in his career, last year he had clear goals(no1,olympics,wimby record) and planned accordingly. don't really see him dropping down below 4 in the rankings this year
     
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    I think you are jumping to conclusions. Most everyone would probably agree that Federer had the steepest path of any semi-finalist. With just slightly better luck, his bracket could have opened up for him like Andy's did; or perhaps it could have been Roger himself who, if seeded otherwise, might have been facing Ferrer in the semis. Such little breaks lucky or not do affect who wins the tourney's final point, IMO, the margins are so thin among these top three. Besides, I feel like Federer's truest low point where he seemed to be having a mid-career crisis occurred around 2010 shortly after his slam drought began. If that particularly bad-seeming period was not enough to break him, I doubt that his failure to reach the final down under this past weekend--where he has reached just one final since Rafa beat him in 09--is going to break him either.
     
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    Fed isn't going anywhere for a while. Rosewall, Connors, Agassi... they all went on to perform well clear into their mid or late thirties. I've had the most fun watching tennis when the old guard champions make these magical runs into tournaments they are way too 'old' to be winning.
     
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    I remember Agassi couldn't go on because of back problems. So maybe for Fed, it's gonna also depend how long his back allows him to hang around at a high level.
     
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    His schedule is such that it's almost a semi-retirement, which makes it hard to be match tough in a slam, the AO for example, with no prior match play.
     
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  44. mightyrick

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    Federer will most likely be gone at next year's Wimbledon.

    At this point in any elite player's career, they are no longer playing for titles or trophies. They are playing only to set the perception of *how they will be remembered*. This is why these guys retire at or near the top.

    The last thing anybody wants is for Federer to be around for 5 more years. Nobody wants the last memories of Federer on tour to be him getting ousted in the first rounds of grand slams by the likes of Raonic, Dolgopolov, and Dimitrov. I mean, really. It is only the sub-par, non-elite players who hang around forever.

    And people who are hoping for Olympic gold from Federer need to give it up. There's absolutely no way. The best he'd get is bronze - if that. But I can't seem him playing in the Olympics. Does anyone really want the last memory of Federer to be watching him getting pummeled in the opening round(s)?
     
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    Agassi won his last slam at 32. Connors and Sampras at 31. It's kind of expected that Fed is reaching the finish line now in slams. Agassi also won 3 masters at 32 and 1 at 34. So far, he's the only player to have won masters after 31. It will be interesting to see if Fed joins him.
     
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  46. Povl Carstensen

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    So why do you worry? And wow, people are wise on other peoples behalf here.
    And besides, it is totally true that Federer had perhaps his biggest draught or what you call it in 2010, beginning of 11, and people went on about the same.
     
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    I just don't like to see genuinely good guys -- as elite sports figures -- go out in a mediocre way. I'm not a Federer fanboy, but I do think he's been great for tennis, he's a great role model, he's a genuinely nice and good guy. I think it would be just sad to see him flail for three or four more years.

    As for being wise on other people's behalf. This is a message board. Things written here are 95% opinion and speculation. That's the entire point.
     
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  48. Clarky21

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    Well, Ferrer overtook Nadal in the rankings so you can never say never. All it takes is a prolonged injury break and it could happen. That is unless you think Ferrer is more talented than Nadal is.


    Same thing could be said, and is being said, about Nadal's 100 year old knees.
     
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    I don't think Federer is the type of player to flail around. http://www.andbethere.com/2013/01/australian-open-final-summary.html here i've discussed what the rest of the year could hold for him - but basically, the nature of his game, and the fact that it's so un-physically demanding means that he will always beat anyone but the very top guys, and on his day he will always be able to take them too.
     
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    OG means nothing in tennis other than encouraging people to play in the Davis Cup. I went several times and it was just a fun day out, music, babies crying.

    It is just a show.
     
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