Federer's Racket

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  1. califsurferboy33

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    Ok, first off again I would like to apologize if this has already been discussed before. Please don't hassel me about it thanks! Ok in a lot of posts i've read everyone says wilson doing a bad job of customizing federer's racket or they have strung his rackets exetra. So my one question is...what racket is he using? Is he using the prostaff 6.0? Is he using the prostaff tour? Is he using the ncode? Is he using the kfactor? Thanks!
     
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    All of the above!
     
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  3. califsurferboy33

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    I mean what racket is he using currently under the paint! Thanks
     
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  4. drakulie

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    Honestly?? Who knows. I personally believe he is using a custom mold of a PS85. With that said, the racquet he currently uses is closer (it seems) in appearance to the k90 than the ncode 90, or ps tour 90. This is because of the spacing in the crosses and the number of crosses in the PWS.
     
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  5. Mr. Sean

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    So basically we can finally conclude that federer uses a custom ps 6.0 with a 88 or 90 inch head. The fact that people say he uses a 6.0 85 right now is completely irrelevant because feds racquet has more strings. The new k90 is supposably the closest to what federer uses right now because one it has similar feel of a ps85 and the handle is short just like a p85 and the head is 90 inches. My question is why doesn't wilson just release federers real racquet call it the prostaff 6.0 88 or 90 end of story. It will sell well because we have everyone on this board trying to get as close to it as possible by buying k factors and ncodes. I understand the k90 is most similar to it but I cant stand that hideaous trendy paint job. If fed preferred a larger head on a superb racquet like a ps85 then I bet all the ps85 users would benefit from it as well.
     
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    Wouldn't that be awesome!

    By the way, I like the k90's paintjob.
     
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  7. califsurferboy33

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    how do we know that he's not using a ps tour painted?
     
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  8. Lambsscroll

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    I think Fed likes where the flex occurs in the PS 85. Low tension combined with the high flex point works well with the PS 85. Any newer model Fed uses more than likely has this high flex point. When I say flex point I mean where the bend occurs on the racquet.
     
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  9. master935

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    I think that he is using a (K)-factor. Albeit a modified one, but he is still using it. The way that you can tell, where the throat of the racquet connects to the bridge(the bar the holds the strings at the throat for those that don't know), it comes to a point at the top two corners of the triangle(if you have an ncode of kfactor racqoet just look at where I'm talking about and you will understand). The old PS racqets don't have this.
     
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  10. ibemadskillzz

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    I talked to davis cup captain, i said this before, he uses hyper prostaff 6.0 Box Beam 90 head size Euro version. Davis Cup captain use to be my coach, he has one of those racquets that Fed played with- can't be purchased in the US and rare in euro, only top players and few coaches receieved them.
     
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  11. master935

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    I think that the whole "paintjob" thing is bullsh!t!. Ok,some pros "may" have pianted their racquets a few times... but it is not going on as much as everyone thinks that it is, on this website.
     
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  12. larlarbd

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    Yup , I think so too - he is using a modified PS85 that has a 90sq-inch head , he has been using that all along ( remember the racquet he used against sampras in wimbledon 2001 - he is using that till now - Wilson just painted the thing as 1st PS tour 90 , then N90 now K90 but that thing has always been the same .
     
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    The K90 paintjob is hideaus indeed - the only thing thats stopping me from getting that right now is the paintjob , even a blind man will feel ashamed to hold that as a stick.
    UGLYY !!!
     
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  14. andreh

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    I think he is using woodie with a hologram emitter in the handle that places a k90 image over it. It's some sort of sci-fi tech from the future merged with old school racquet tech. Honestly, a Wilson rep told me.
     
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  15. Povl Carstensen

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    I am pretty sure that in the 2001 match against Sampras, they both used the same size (85') racket. Federer himself also says he changed later.
    And I do not think anyone who has followed this board can say that the "paintjob" thing is bullsh!t! It has been verified time and time again, also by stringers on the tour.
     
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  16. maverick1

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    Exactly my question as well, assuming Federer is playing with something other than the K-90.

    Someone had a theory that Federer insisted on Wilson not releasing his racket. That doesn't make any sense, because I am sure his competitors can get hold of one of his rackets, measure the specs and have identical rackets made by their sponsors. In any case, it doesn't look like any of his competitors want anything remotely resembling his racket. Hardly any top pro uses a 90 sq inch headsize.

    The other explanation for why Wilson doesn't release a racket Federer's exact specs is that they think (correctly) the number of people who can play effectively with Federer's specs is almost zero. So they feel they are better off selling an easier-to-use racket that they can con people into thinking it is Federer's racket.

    Wilson's marketing people obviously don't read TT boards. If they made a special edition racket identical to Fed's, get Fed to vouch for the specs, price it at twice the second most expensive racket in the market, it would bring in more revenue than the rest of Wilson's tennis product line. I know I would buy one right away and probably more later.
     
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    Yes , it was a PS85 ( head size 85 )but it wasn't the same as sampras - the throat looked wider , it had a yellow/gold/red sticker on the inside of the one of the bars & it looked a bit thicker than sampras's slim st.vincent one - I'm saying wilson made him a 90 version of that & then started the paint-job campaign . Without a doubt I can prove that FED is still using a paintjob racquet ( the 1st one wilson made for him - still ) not a K90 . The K90 FED is using now has a N90 buttcap - not the K90 transparent buttcap - moreover , K90 specs says it has 18MM Flat beam - but Fed's one looks like it has a 17MM flat beam - more like a PS 6.0 85.
     
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  18. PimpMyGame

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    The sticker is probably one put on by the tournament stringer and how can you notice 1mm difference by looking at a photo?

    If Fed is using a PJ (and I think he probably is) then part of his overall deal is that he has a mould put aside for him exclusively. The costs of doing this are absolutely negligible in the whole scheme of things and clearly Fed believes that his secret set up gives him competitive advantage. That's debatable, I doubt many on the tour (let alone us mortals) would improve if given his racket.
     
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  19. larlarbd

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    No Bro - not a photo , I'm watching dubai open , I can tell the difference ( I'm pretty sure - though even the smartest person will some times be mistaken ) but to make sure I talked to the stringer & held one of the racquets for a few mins - the bumper guards are a bit more raised than my K90 & buttcap is N90 one & I DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO MEASURE THE BARS - but trust me : I have 8 PS85 - it looks like a PS85 bar.
     
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  20. larlarbd

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    ohh , one more thing - NO noticeable leads on the racquet , but the stick did feel very heavy.
     
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  21. Mr. Sean

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    the number of people who can play effectively with Federer's specs is almost zero.

    price it at twice the second most expensive racket in the market, it would bring in more revenue than the rest of Wilson's tennis product line. I know I would buy one right away and probably more later.

    I like that theory but you think a k90 is any easier to play with especially by club players than a ps 6.0 90. Ha I don't think wilson worries about what racquets would be easy to play with. I bet a ps 6.0 90 would be easier to play with than a k90 to tell you the truth. If wilson did release a ps 6.0 90 we would all most likely buy it, I know I would. I should start writing to wilson to petition to have one released eventually.
     
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  22. Azzurri

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    Will this ever end?? We have known for years that Fed has been using a different racquet. The major arguement was the throat area/pallet length and his string spacing. Now Wilson GIVES US THE SAME PALLET AND STRING SPACING and you guys still cry/analyze/conspire, etc. All this time we have been asking for the "Fed" frame and now that Wilson delivers it isn't good enough!!! What...? I suppose you want Wilson to run a commercial and and an ad in every newspaper in the world and admit: Yes...we have been lying to you folks for the past 5 years. The Hyper PS Tour 90 and the Ncode Tour 90 were not actually used by Fed...this Kfactor Tour 90 is the real deal. So please forgive us and buy our product.

    C'mon....these Fed racquet threads are tiresome and I have been on the boards for a little less than a year. Why can't the Kfactor be Fed's racquet anway???WHY???? The playtesters on TW LOVED it and all the reviews from wanna be Fed's loved it to...heck...I love it and I should not really be playing with it. If this stick is Fed's, than I should not be playing Fed's stick. Almost all the pro's customize their racquets just like we do.Enough with the conspiracy theories.
     
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  23. larlarbd

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    Well, if it helps - what Wilson has done to thousands of PS85 lovers is pure criminal , they should apologize - I don't expect them to - but I beleive when You have 10+ fo any company product - you expect them atleast explain why they lied to the loyals . Day by Day the PS85 mold has gone weaker with horrible makes - you still put up with it expecting that the company might come up with a great product used by the top professional - after three model changes - You still don't get it , You might get a little bit p.i.s.s.e.d , don't you think you should ?
    ( Most of the guys contributing in this forum have 6+ racquets & thats good enough for any business company )
    You don't satisfy that many numbers of ppl - you owe them an apology.
     
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  24. BreakPoint

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    You would be wrong, my friend. Even college and junior players get paintjobs. If you can get sponsored, and are pretty highly ranked, you can request a paintjob. I'd bet on the ATP Top 100, more guys use paintjobs (or racquets unavailable to the public, like extended length versions) than not.
     
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  25. c_zimma

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    Give it a rest for a while. His racquet is so heavily customized, it is nearly impossible to know for sure what he is playing with. Does it really matter?
     
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  26. drakulie

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    UHmmm, Fed used a PS85 in the 2001 match against Sampras.
     
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  27. BreakPoint

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    I believe Federer uses a real K90 and has been ever since he switched from his PS 6.0 85 in 2002. Of course, it's customized to his liking, such as using the older butt cap rather than the new one since he's probably just more used to the feel of the old butt cap because he's been using it for 5 years.

    I have both a K90 and a nCode 90 and I can't tell the difference in beam width holding them side-by-side. I think any perceived difference is an optical illusion caused by the differences in paintjobs. I'm almost positive that the two racquets come out of the same mold.

    I think with the K90, Wilson has finally given us the real deal. After 5 years, Wilson is giving us the real racquet that Federer has been using all along.
     
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  28. Pete.Sampras.

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    It's quite funny that I met someone at a tennis-shop today who said that a Wilson-official told him that the K90 frame is just a painjob of the ncode frame...

    I said that the rackets play very differently and that the string pattern is different and the throat and whatever, yet he said that it wasn't that hard for Wilson to do. The frame itself would still be the same.

    Do I believe this? I'm not sure... not really do I believe this. But one thing is for sure: This guy had no reason to lie and he was well known in that shop. In fact, one of the guys from the shop told me right away that the K90 is a paintjob - that was back in January...
     
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    That would be hilarious :)
     
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  30. Pete.Sampras.

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    It's just what they said, nothing more...

    For those who disagree: I didn't say that, I just told you what I've heard ;)
     
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  31. BreakPoint

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    But just because they come out of the same mold does not mean that they are the same racquet, just the same shape and size. The K90 and the nCode 90 are indeed different racquets due to the composition, layup, weight distribution, orientation of the matrices, etc. The string pattern is drilled after the frames have been molded so that can be easily changed. Even the handle pallet length can be either a mold adjustment or made after the frame has been molded.

    The K90 certainly feels, swings, and plays differently from the nCode 90.
     
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  32. Pete.Sampras.

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    Yes, yes, of course it does and I felt the same way.

    But when he said that the frame is the same, he also meant that the material is the very same. That's probably the most important thing of what he has said...
     
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    I disagree. The differences are subtle spec-wise but they are worlds apart when you hit with them on the court. Softer feel is the main difference I found in the two. The n90 was such a board when it came to feel. (If you've ever been an infielder in baseball and practiced with a 'Soft Hands', you'd know what I was talking about.) The K90 almost feels like it is cupping/catching the ball when you hit with it.
     
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    Rep's are only told what the higher ups tell them to say.. He wouldnt know what was under the paint in all honesty...;)

    Lastly.. Why do people talk about 90 inch headed racquets as being just for the pro's?.. If you were born pre 1990, then 90 was considered big?

    God, I honestly don't know how I learned to play tennis swinging around those squash racquet's they call woodies?
     
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    How can you claim that you have been "following this board" when you only have 43 posts to your name?
     
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  36. Pete.Sampras.

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    I found my father's old graphite racket in our attic. The head is about 65sq at best. I can't wait to play with this thing.

    The game's different today. Even the old pros that used the small heads back in the days wouldn't have success with these frames nowadays. Even Sampras said that he plays better with the larger headsize and the new technology, didn't he? I think 85-90sq is the least you should have in todays tennis. Just my thoughts ;)
     
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  37. Povl Carstensen

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    I read it just about every day.
     
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    Hahahah , LOL - was that a DUNLOP MAX 150G ? I started my Tennis with that - it was a 65Sq-inch . hahah , I still serve well with that . Funny .
     
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  39. Pete.Sampras.

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    No, it's the Kawasaki Graphite Ruler...

    I never knew that Kawasaki once produced tennis rackets :p
     
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    Yea. "For a limited time, if you buy this racquet, you get a free motorcycle to go along with your sweet servin' Graphite Ruler!"
     
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  41. Spinnage

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    Federers racquet is made of solid gold. How did u not know this?:confused:
     
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    The K90 certainly feels, swings, and plays differently from the nCode 90.[/QUOTE]


    BP is right on with this statement. He along with many, many people on the board (jncluding TW play-testers) say this racquet is not the same as the Ncode. Pete.sampras. was just relating an experience he had w/a Wilson rep...that rep is FULL OF SH.....

    The Ncode feels NOTHING like the Kfactor. All this time people cried about the pallet and string beds and how different they were from Fed...NOW we have them.

    not sure if many people have seen this site, but I thought it was interesting regarding Fed's specs. According to this guy (who seems to be in the know), Fed's racquet is very similiar to stock.

    http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs.html
     
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  43. TheGreatestAudia

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    That's cool but how reliable is that?
     
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  44. Azzurri

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    I don't know how reliable, but he seems to have way more information than people on this board.
     
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  45. TheGreatestAudia

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    Or more free time to put what he thinks into a website with lots data. That doesn't neccessarily mean he knows anything more than the rest of us. I'm not trying to discredit your source but the only people who know exactly what Roger is using are Roger, probably Mirka (sp?), Roche, and his tennis bag.
     
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  46. larlarbd

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    Nothing Visible is on FED's racquet EXCEPT the 17MM thin bar & the BUTTCAP ( n90 ) , I have a K90 - so I know his K90 felt VERY VERY heavy compared to mine - even balanced - not head light.
     
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  47. AgassiGuy23

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    Give up on the "Paint-Job" Conspiracy!

    Give up on the "Paint-Job" Conspiracy!
     
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    OMG - it's not a conspiracy , I'm 100% confident it's a paintjob otherwise I'd have said so . Not The same K90.
     
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  49. sapient007

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    fed lead tape locaiotn. could it be?? ;)

    [​IMG]
     
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    FED's is not the retail K90 . It's a paintjob
     
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