Fed's decline is more Nike's fault than Wilson's.

Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by SwankPeRFection, Jul 20, 2013.

  1. SwankPeRFection

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    Ever since they stopped making the Vapor Tour 6's design and moved to the loose and plushy crap that is moon pie/marsh mallow new Vapors, Fed's sucked on tour.

    The last GOAT shoe was the 6 and we all know it. What's out now is absolute crap. They should have left that shoe alone. I didn't see them making a ton of changes to the CB line. I guess they wanted to screw both Fed and the public over by giving us pillows to run in. :evil:

    Cushy shoes and tennis just doesn't go together. When you need to get around on the court, you need performance shoes, not light pillowy clouds. It's no different than performance tires for a car. You don't see high performance cars run around in all-weather crap tires... do you?
     
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  2. TennisLovaLova

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    Maybe it's when they started adding the trophies on the shoes. Bad luck it holds...
     
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  3. SwankPeRFection

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    I don't think so. I distinctly remember watching him play his first match with the 7's on and he was slower on court with his movement and change of direction. I remember some of the closeups of the shoes as he was moving around and his foot would basically roll over the edge because the top wasn't as stiff. It had the same affect as a high sidewall tire vs a low profile one. The wheel or in this case his foot would lean move over the edge of the sole/contact patch that's on the ground.

    I wish I could find some videos to show this, but I'm too lazy to dig them up right now.
     
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  4. Zildite

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    All makes sense now

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  5. gplracer

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    I do not think so....
     
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    Folks on these boards come up with the craziest S**t........
     
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    He is just older.....simple as that
     
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    I don't think you are very smart.
     
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  9. BreakPoint

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    Um...did you realize that Federer's shoes are totally custom made and are nothing like the retail shoes? They are essentially "paintjobbed" shoes that only have the exterior look somewhat like the latest retail version. It's been accepted here that he's always worn the Vapor 2 and Nike just keeps changing the way they look on the outside every time they release a new version of the Vapor so that the Vapor 2 that Federer is wearing looks somewhat like the latest retail version of the Vapor.
     
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    This is ridiculous. It's not his shoes, it's his haircut. Ever since he got that haircut he hasn't played the same.
     
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    Last year's ''from the ground up'' Vapor was a welcome iteration from previous Vapors!
     
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    Really? I think the Vapor 9 Tour was a good shoe. Different but still suitable for how Fed plays.
     
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    Nike's fault????? Hahaha.

    Chinese customized shoes do not work for both nadal and fed haha
    After Nike stop making Nadal and fed's customized shoes in Korea, nadal blew his knee and fed is no longer play like he used to ^_____^
     
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  14. ENJOY TENNIS

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    Nike's fault? No, age's fault..........
     
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    They aren't as custom as everyone makes them out to be. The fit is definitely a wider one because of his foot shape and the material on them is more leather than what we get, but the core design is still the new one.

    There was a time where the heal shank still used on the Breathe Cages was being incorporated into the 7 design and painted to make them look like retail, but ever since the 8, the heal/sole design was moved completely to the new design for about 90% of it. If you don't see this, then you're 100% going blind.


    Like it or not, people don't just turn 29 and go out to pasture. There are a ton of athletes in their 30's who don't have issues competing against 20-something's. bottom line, it's either medical, equipment, or mental. Maybe he's tired from all the PR and extracurricular crap he's doing outside of being on court or training.


    If it was me, I'd put his *** in Vapor 6's with a old K90 PJ and see what happens. ;) :lol:
     
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  16. ClintimusPrime

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    First the racquet. Now the shoes?? LAWL this is obnoxious.
     
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  17. SwankPeRFection

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    It's always been the shoes. Why do you think he lost at Wimbledon... he couldn't wear his orange shoes damnit! :p
     
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    Is this a serious thread..? WTF :confused:
     
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  19. WhereIsMacMac

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    I think its not Nike's nor Wilson's fault. I think its your fault.

    Seriously speaking, fed's gotten older. Gotta blame his body's wear and tear. Pretty simple. Accept it and move on
     
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    I have inside info that Fed switched his underwear company to Fruit of the Loom from Calvin Klein, just before Wimbledon 2013.

    I think THAT is the primary reason why.
     
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  21. ollinger

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    Yes, I think we were all thinking the same thing --- Fed's decline MUST be due to a problem with his shoes. Perhaps a combination of lighter shoes and his new haircut means he's less polar-weighted and more mass-centralized.
     
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  22. the green god

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    Fed can wear whatever shoes he wants. My god, how long did Pete wear paint jobbed mesh wilson pro staffs.
     
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  23. Meriko

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    I don't believe the blame lies with Nike or Wilson, but perhaps, just maybe, with the aging process.
     
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  24. THE FIGHTER

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    look out for the Nike Courtbulgogi 6.3 coming out next year.
     
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  25. The Isomotion31

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    Maybe fed should switch to bigger clothes?
     
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  26. WhereIsMacMac

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    I have to agree with you
     
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  27. BreakPoint

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    The most important question is: Will Federer shank less wearing bigger clothes? :)
     
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  28. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    My god, why are there two pages worth of this crap...
     
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  29. Overdrive

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    It's a NIKE and Federer thread.. duh! ;)
     
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  30. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Yeah but come on man, stupidity has its limitations.
     
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  31. Overdrive

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    Umm... You're on an internet forum. Stupidity is limitless. But this thread seemed to be more of a troll thread than a dumb thread.

    Blame the clothes brand? Seriously?
     
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  32. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    There's a difference between a troll thread and a dumb thread?
     
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  33. Overdrive

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    In a way, yes. But there isn't much difference.
     
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  34. TennisAddiction

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    All I know is why they Made Fed change his shoes ar Wimbledon, he lost. You do the math.
     
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  35. SwankPeRFection

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    lol, I actually created the thread in all seriousness but did add some joking around posts in too. If you look at the history of when he started to decline, it was around the time that Nike started to change his shoe layout. At first they tried to maintain the heel shank, but the sole composition, etc. was all the new really soft crap in the new Vapor line. That's about the time that Fed lost a few steps on court. Does that also coincide with him turning 29+?... sure, but you can't argue against at least some coincidence there.
     
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  36. blitzmage_89

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    The change to a bigger racquet makes sense (since he's getting older and he needs help in reaching the ball), but shoes?!
     
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    Sure it's a coincidence, but it's hard to believe his shoes have anything to do with his decline.
     
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  38. jrs

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    I am not sure if Fed's problem with shoes. But I do agree shoes are a big deal. I believe Thomas Enqvuist a Swedish player had to retire because his shoes (ASICS) caused severe foot problems. I believe he tried to sue them. Also there was WTA player who tried to sue her shoe company, not sure who the player was and which manufacturer.

    But in this case I am sure Federer will ask Nike to modify it, if he doesn't like it.
     
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  39. BreakPoint

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    That was Martina Hingis who sued Sergio Tacchini whom she blamed for ending her career prematurely because its shoes ruined her feet.
     
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  40. BreakPoint

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    How is a bigger racquet going to make your legs move faster to reach the ball? :confused:

    You do realize that smaller racquets have their sweetspots further away from your hand than bigger racquets do (given same length) thereby effectively extending the length of your arm and makes it easier to reach the ball, don't you?
     
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  41. ollinger

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    ^^^ uhhh, no, since the larger racquet probably has a larger sweetspot, the most distant aspect of which may be just as far from your hand as the smaller sweetspot of the smaller racquet.
     
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  42. BreakPoint

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    Nope, the center of the sweetspot on a smaller racquet is further away from your hand than the center of the sweetspot on a bigger racquet of the same length.

    And bigger racquets do not necessarily have bigger sweetspots. For example, the PS 6.0 85 has a bigger sweetspot than the PS 6.0 95 despite being 10 sq. in. smaller because on the 95, the entire upper half of the stringbed is dead, whereas the sweetspot on the 85 is huge for an 85.

    The higher sweetspot is one reason why smaller racquets serve so well (faster racquet head speed being another reason), because they effectively make you a couple of inches taller, and height matters on serves.
     
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