fedthechamp = an evil and deceiving punk

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  1. slocalsvt

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    fedthechamp out of Fruitland, Idaho

    Worst seller experience I have had on this site. After multiple emails and phone calls I was dumb enough to believe this guys lies. He convinced me to do something I would normally never do, which was to except a partial payment before shipping and the remainder of the payment upon arrival. I trusted him enough to do this but I have now learned my lesson.

    After the first payment I immediately shipped several items usps parcel post (which is the usps slowest option because I was providing free shipping), I was told it would get there in a week and a half. Unfortunately it took an additional week to arrive. For this in convince, he felt I was no long entitled to the remainder of the payment he promised to pay. This was his idea, I should have said no but I put trust in him... People like this continue my dying faith in people especially online and I recommend to not do business with this guy!
     
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    What is his email address?

    Did you check him out before you agreed to these bizarre terms? Was payment made by Paypal? How much does he owe you?

    Apparently, he is all of 13 or 14. No surprise the deal went badly.

    You can tell him that unless he wants you to start calling his parents, his coaches, his high school principal and the local police, he should pay up. Was the mailing address on N Chaney Ave?

    What was the ship date and the delivery date? Did you get delivery confirmation from USPS?
     
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    humm, no refs, no special treatment. "fedthechamp" pay up. Yes, the shipping was slow, but you received the items, hopefully cheaper than buying new. We all have inconveniences in life, deal with it, you got what you paid for at the end of the day and you half of the bargain was settled. slocalsvt deserves his money and you have no power to alter the contract. Only if slocalsvt decided to give you a discount would that be fair, but this does not seem to be the case.
     
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    Call her. Her name is Gwen.

    Are you a kid or an adult? Mom will probably make it right if you explain it to her calmly. If not, file a police report for fraud with the local PD and call everyone you can to make his life interesting for awhile.

    How much money are you out?

    That area code is Oregon BTW.
     
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    Dad may live in New Plymouth ID if that helps.

    Don't do deals with kids. This was a Paypal deal? Did USPS confirm delivery?

    Something tells me Kooper may change his mind. Probably broke since he is 14. Mom and Dad can make it right though.
     
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  7. slocalsvt

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    Ya I learned my lesson, parcel post didn't have tracking... But he has confirmed delivery and that he received the items through texts which I will post.
     
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    heres his message when he sent the first paypal lying about his mom... dont know why??


    Date:
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    Subject:
    Gwne Crow has just sent you $44.00 USD with PayPal
    Note:
    Hey man I would like you to ship out your stuff as soon as you can. My address is above. I used my wifes paypal if your wondering why the name is Gwen. ha
    Payment type:
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    Daddy's email is the same format as Kooper's "wife." :)

    scrow@fmtc.com

    Let us know what happens.
     
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    I think this same kid tried to pull a fast one with me, wanting a 2-for-1 trade. He wanted me to ship him one racquet, find and buy another, then ship it to him before he would ship out the frame I wanted from him.

    Ridiculous.
     
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    Again I say---Fearsome for President, for his quick detective work!
    Forget The Catcher's Mitt Romney and his Pee-Wee Herman lookalike running mate! Fearsome gets things done, pronto!
     
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    Hopefully, the parents will step in and do the right thing because I don't think this kid will pay otherwise.

    A few things stand out. The OP made a bad deal. He did a deal with a kid, the kid had no references, he took a split PP payment ( a great big no no) and he shipped without delivery conf. That is four big mistakes in one little deal.

    That said, he still deserves to be paid as agreed. Parcel Post can be very slow and the fact the racket(s) arrived later than the kid expected is moot.

    NEVER NEVER NEVER accept split payments on PP. It queers the seller protection as does shipping without del conf.. And frankly, volunteering to do a deal with a kid is just a very bad idea.
     
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  16. slocalsvt

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    Agreed, Im not new to the buying selling game, I deal with ****, craigslist, and forums all the time and commit those "mistakes" when I feel I can trust the buyer and things worked out well enough. But I have been burned on hundreds of deals too, I guess at the end of the day I still believe that people will do the right thing and hope they will do what they say. Everyone has there own view on life but it is still astonishing how many people are ok with themselves after screwing other people.
     
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    Call his parents and deal with them.
     
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    Edit: Posted in response to a since deleted, well intentioned, but ill advised call the harass the alleged scammer.

    Vigilantism by a 12 year old kid is what got the johnnyfive thread deleted.

    Let the OP handle the matter from here. He has the parents numbers and emails.
     
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    So far the parents haven't responded to anything, the fmtc ones are definitely theirs and I had those to begin with. I don't think any of the other ones suggested here are related to him...
     
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    The crowslanding one is the father's. It was tied to his phone number on the Fruitland high school booster site.

    Call them. Email is easy to ignore, calls not so much. Unless they are completely useless parents, they should compensate you
    for the actions of their brat.
     
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  21. Fearsome Forehand

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    Did you hear back from the parents?

    Who in their right mind would let a 14 year old boy conduct business deals with total strangers over the internet and/or give him unsupervised access to a Paypal account? Nothing could go wrong, right? Great parents.

    Just give him a bottle of whiskey and throw him the car keys while you are at it. :)

    Guys, don't do deals with kids, it almost never ends well.
     
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    Called the mom, she was understanding and explained how her son fedthechamp claimed he already paid me. She said she will talk to him and send the money, we'll see!
     
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    Good luck hope it turns out well.
     
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    Got the money, thanks for the help everyone... It's good to know for one ******bag there are handfuls of good people wanting to help.
     
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    Glad you received the money owed. Hopefully, both you and kid learned a lesson. And I'm glad the parents did the right thing.

    Lessons for the rest of us:

    1) Do not do deals with children/minors.
    2) Do not ship without delivery confirmation/tracking of some sort.
    3) Never agree to accept a split payment on Paypal.

    (#2 and #3 void all seller protection on PP. #1 is just plain foolish.)
     
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    Ya well those are nice ideas to sell by if you have all the time, money, and resources... I talked to the guy on the phone and he told me he was married, turned out to his mom nonetheless heh. Then I shipped usps and I was going to spend more for tracking, there's no point to spend extra when usps hasn't lost anything for me. For what I was shipping I had no doubt it would arrive, and having proof of it would of changed this kids actions. My mistake was the split payment, and on that I learned my lesson, it was dumb but I wanted my stuff sold.

    In general those are good fool proof rules to sell by.
     
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    The reason is it wise to use tracking/delivery confirmation is that if something is lost (unlikely but it happens), or if someone says they did not receive an item, or, as in this case, flakes on rendering payment as agreed, the sender has some indication of what actually occurred and has recourse.

    For instance, a buyer with no references says I never received the item, yet the delivery confirmation says it was delivered. If the buyer files a claim with Paypal, Paypal will side with the seller saying the tracking indicates the item was delivered. Without tracking, the sender is SOL. Shipping without delivery confirmation is just inviting these sorts of problems.

    The split payment thing is buried in a long list of things that voids the seller (and buyer) protections that Paypal supposedly provides.

    And while some kids may be honest, it seems many are not and almost all of the scams/problems here have been with high school or college aged kids. It seems to be a matter of maturity. Occasionally, an "adult" acts like a total jerk (johnnyfive comes to mind immediately) but I would guestimate that 90% of the sour deals here involved parties that were 22 and under.

    Was not picking on the OP at all. But, when these things happen, it shows everyone else what can go wrong and how to minimize the risks inherent in transacting these little deals.
     
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  28. michael_1265

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    A word of warning about modifying anything in the Paypal user agreement.

    I recently read an online account of an E-Bay vendor who sold a $900 item to a person who asked that he send the item to an alternate address than listed by Paypal (the customer supposedly wanted to send the item as a gift). The item was delivered, then the buyer disputed the charge, and the money was returned to her, based on the fact the package was not delivered to her, and that the alternate addressee would not verify that the package was delivered to her either. What a scam.

    The moral of this story is that if you allow the script to be changed in a Paypal transaction, Paypal will not support you. I don't know if this applies to splitting the Paypal transaction, as happened here, but I suspect it would.
     
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    ^True, If you ship to an unconfirmed address (or one that is not marked as seller protection eligible on the transaction details page), you are asking for trouble.

    A split payment in this context is when you sell something for $100 and you agree to a partial payment of 60 and another payment of 40 to be paid a week later. The entire 100 would not be covered by PP. This is different than sending 100 all at once combining use of both a PP balance and a cc or bank account. That would be considered one payment, I believe.

    https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/security/seller-protection-learn-more

    Also, I think the thread should be nominated for Best Title for a Reference Thread in the Alleged Scammer Category. :)
     
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  30. dak95_00

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    I had a guy trying to do this to me on ****. The Paypal he paid w/ had a different name. He wanted me to send to a different address and name. In the end, I refunded the money and said "NO WAY!" It was a hassle but I knew I'd lose if I'd shipped. It wasn't worth the hassle. Besides, it was international and that in itself is an extra hassle.

    I don't understand the OP here saying that it is too costly to add tracking. It's less than $1!!!?? I'd gladly pay the extra $1 not to have to deal w/ the stress that he just went through EVER. I've had many transactions both on here and on **** and NEVER had problems because I follow the rules of common sense. If it's too good to be true, IT'S NOT TRUE!

    I'd only consider a split payment w/ someone if they had awesome references from trusted people on here that I could contact and verify. Lucky for me, I have very good references and can dictate the terms of my sales and trades....You ship and then I'll ship back in the same box or vice versa if the other has great references too.

    In a nutshell......

    DON'T BE LAZY! An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!
     
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    I sold few items on shtbay. I have a buyer updated his alternate shipping address on Paypal with the same name. Assumed he must be a student at out of state college or work in another state. But as long the shipping address is provided by Paypal it's got to be real. Shipped item with delivery confirmation and was delivered within a week. This buyer's file a dispute with Paypal and shtbay for unauthorized purchased. Paypal contacted me a week before the 6th month. I checked the tracking no. online and item was delivered months ago. I forward the tracking no. to Paypal. After 6 months when item was delivered USPS don't keep any record online anymore. If they Paypal investigate right away when I provided them the tracking no. they will see proved of delivery. Two weeks later Paypal get back to me again and ask for delivery confirmation. When I try to make a copy the record already gone from USPS system. Mean I can't prove the item was delivered. I lost 155 plus shipping and delivery confirmation fee. From that incident happened onward, anything that I sold for more than $100 I will asked buyer to leave feedback or comment a few days items is delivered. When they respond that will proved he or she did received the package.
     
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    Normally, you can't file a claim with PP after 45 days from the original transaction date. If someone, pays with a credit card, they can initiate a chargeback outside of PP. But, in most cases, they have to do so within 60 or 90 days from the original billing statement date (when the transaction first shows up on their cc billing statement.) 6 months is ridiculous. It must have been a credit card chargeback from an issuer with a very liberal claim policy.

    USPS online records disappear after x months. You can usually restore or request them either online or through your local Post Office.

    But, the above example shows that no good deed goes unpunished. If an address is not confirmed and/or not fully seller protection eligible, you are taking a big risk shipping to it. If it is a small $5 item, it might be worth it but for something expensive, just don't do it. A lot of scammers play that game and try to get you to ship to a non-eligible address knowing PP will not back you when they file a claim or do a chargeback.

    From the USPS site:

    How long are records kept for Tracking and Confirmation of Delivery? Records are stored in the system for the following time periods:
    • Delivery Confirmation service – six (6) months
    • Signature Confirmation service – one (1) year
    • Express Mail® service, Certified Mail, and Registered Mailtwo (2) years
    Records are archived after 45 days; however, a request to restore a record can be made in as little as a few seconds. The request will then take approximately 2-4 hours (in limited cases up to 24 hours) before the record is available.
    To request archived tracking and confirmation of delivery information, perform the following steps:
    1. Go to Track & Confirm on usps.com®
    2. Enter your label ID number from the Mailing Label or Receipt
    3. Click the “Go” button
    4. A message will display informing you that your tracking information has been stored offline
    5. Click the “Restore” button to restore your tracking information
    The restore tracking and confirmation of delivery information process will take about 2-4 hours to complete (in limited cases it can take up to 24 hours). You can view the status of your request at any time by entering your label ID number from the Mailing Label or Receipt in Track & Confirm on usps.com. Your request will have a status of “Item Stored Off-line,” “Pending Restoration,” or “Restored.” Once restored, tracking and confirmation of delivery information records are available for 30 days.
    Restored records are kept online for 30 days and then archived again. Additional requests can be made to restore the record up until the maximum retention time period.
     
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    FF doing his best to educate the masses. Hopefully, people will start to get the idea. However, to paraphrase PT Barnum, "nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public".

    Great job, buddy! And once again, nice to be back.
     
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    @Fearsome Forehand, thanks for your instruction. Ya, Paypal did mentioned about Buyer's CC Co. dispute. Anyhow that's svcks.

    I called USPS back then and got no help at all. The case almost 9 months old but I will try your method for one last time.

    Thanks.
     
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    If I understood the USPS thing correctly, they archive/store del conf info for six months and it is available (the normal way) within 45 days of mailing. After 45 days, you have to request that it be restored online. And after six months, it sounds like they don't have records anymore (which is stupid, but given who runs USPS, no surprise there. )

    PP will almost never take the loss. They almost always dump the loss on the buyer or seller. Sometimes, even if you follow all their stupid rules, PP will still screw you anyway. However, if you don't follow their rules and something goes awry, you are SOL. Therefore, follow their rules to the letter if you want buyer/seller protection to attach to a transaction.

    When I first started using Paypal, around 1998?, one could block cc payments and only allow payments from bank accounts and PP balances. Effectively, that option shielded a seller from the threat of cc chargebacks. At some point, PP and fleabay removed those options. Then fleabay bought PP so they really suck now. They seem to hate sellers even though sellers pay all the fees. Unfortunately, they both have effective monopolies so the level of (dis)service is as expected.
     
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  36. penang

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    I will give a try anyway. TQ
     
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    Thanks for the info FF. We are all lucky to have someone point these things out. Stupid to "throw" money away from not being safe and at least semi-smart. I almost did the same thing just the other day. Send Paypal invoice for payment, payment made but buyer wanted shipment to alternate address. Even the names were different. Just about to prepare the item for shipment and while writing up the USPS delivery confirmation slip, I just put it down. I then emailed the buyer. He said the usual "no problem , blah, blah- its just an alternate address thing - no problem promised". "Promised" was the key word for me. I refunded the payment and emailed him to please change his Paypal profile to specify the correct/alternate address. Well, that was a couple of days ago and I have yet to hear back from him. Anyway, I won't ever consider that again. Thanks guys
     
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    ^Good decision. That deal doesn't smell right.

    And we should all shoot for being at least semi-smart. :)

    I should mention also that any deal over $250 (including shipping) requires signature confirmation.
     
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    Not optimistic. I ran an old USPS del conf number (about 7 months old) and the online message was to the effect that no records existed.

    Delivery status information is not available for your item via this web site. A return receipt after mailing may be available through your local Post Office.

    Apparently, after 6 months, USPS purges the del conf record completely. I am amazed that any cc issuer would authorize a chargeback on a purchase that occurred 6 months prior. Most adhere to a 60 or 90 day policy (from the billing date when the charge first appears on a monthly billing statement.) As well, I am surprised PP allowed it and did not fight harder to contest the chargeback since it was filed so late. There should be a time limit.

    This is why Paypal sucks. Penang did everything in accord with PP's rules and still lost his money. Also, given how cheap electronic storage is, there is no good reason that USPS can not preserve del conf records for a year.
     
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    given how much money USPS is losing every year, maybe they're trying to cut as much cost as they can.
     
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    Kooper Crow till active

    He just responded to a post for racquets I am selling but only wanted to be contacted via text message or voice. I wasted way too much time answering questions and sending pics to him.

    I became wary when he only wanted to trade racquets but never sent pics and then acted like he was interested in a smaller grip size.

    Oh well, glad I did not actually cut a deal with him.
     
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  42. Fearsome Forehand

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    fedthechamp is a banned user name.

    Anyone who deals with that kid after what the OP went through is mentally challenged.

    Find an adult who will buy your racket and save yourself the grief.
     
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    Agreed with FF.
    A good buyer reference is equally important as a good seller reference.
    A seller could ship the perfect racquet and the buyer could make false claims to you and to paypal and then you as the seller now have an issue with pay pal, etc.
     
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  44. mad dog1

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    IMO regardless of how good the buyer reference is, the seller should do everything to protect themselves. ie. spend a few extra schillings to get delivery confirmation, tracking #, ship to a paypal verified shipping address, etc. unless the member has a LONG history of positive transactions and not just a handful.
     
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    He is posting here again, his new user name is AndyMurray22. Every time I sell something, he emails me to text him.
     
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  46. Fearsome Forehand

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    ^ Thanks for the heads up.

    Kooper is using koopercrow@gmail.com as his contact email.

    Beware of anyone contacting you using a 541 area code with a 212-xxxx number with an Idaho mailing address.

    Maybe someone should call or email his parents and ask them to keep their child off of this site.

    What parent in their right mind would let a 15? year old kid run around unsupervised on the internet? Nothing could go wrong, right?:roll:
     
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    He contacted me as well for a sale. This guy is silly. Too bad he can't be permanently blocked somehow.
     
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    His parents didn't sever internet privilages for him?

    Can't someone call his parents and tell them that Kooper is still conducting deals on the board?

    :confused:
     
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    For what it's worth, he is also going by RafaNadal22. He actually sold himself a racquet and gave himself a great reference.

    Personally, I think the boy has a future in politics.
     
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    Someone contact DD!
     
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